Playing time comparison (Big Sky & Top 10)

[Mousegriz]

But, ya know, Griz only get tired in losses where their defense doesn't defend as well as it should late in the game. And, ya know, turnovers are "often result" late in games because, ya know, sometimes one team tires and the other doesn't. And, ya know, unraveling under pressure in games can also come from being tired....ya know what I mean.

On the other hand, ya know, sometimes an offense gets hot and makes 6 of its last 7 shots, ya know what I'm sayin'...and it seems their offense almost plays better when it's a little tired. And, ya know, sometimes a team turns it over more early in the game when they aren't tired and, ya know, sometimes they turn it over more late in the game when they are a little more tired. And, ya know, sometimes a team unravels under pressure because they are tired late in the game and , ya know, sometimes the other team doesn't unravel at the end of the game because they aren't tiring as much even though it seems they should be....ya know what I'm sayin'!!

 

[mtgrizrule]

But, ya know, Griz only get tired in losses where their defense doesn't defend as well as it should late in the game. And, ya know, turnovers are "often result" late in games because, ya know, sometimes one team tires and the other doesn't. And, ya know, unraveling under pressure in games can also come from being tired....ya know what I mean.

On the other hand, ya know, sometimes an offense gets hot and makes 6 of its last 7 shots, ya know what I'm sayin'...and it seems their offense almost plays better when it's a little tired. And, ya know, sometimes a team turns it over more early in the game when they aren't tired and, ya know, sometimes they turn it over more late in the game when they are a little more tired. And, ya know, sometimes a team unravels under pressure because they are tired late in the game and , ya know, sometimes the other team doesn't unravel at the end of the game because they aren't tiring as much even though it seems they should be....ya know what I'm sayin'!!

Ya know, when I hear "ya know" over and over in actual interviews, it really irritates me, ya know. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

 

[EverettGriz]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

 

[PlayerRep]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

It was good to see DeCuire follow my suggestion, by changing the rotation pattern, keep the minutes of the 2 starting guards below 30 minutes (27 and 25), and get some minutes to other players, including Moorehead (21) and DeJong. Moorehead scored 13 on 5-5 shooting. Bradshaw got 10 minutes and 6 points. Breunig played under 30. Boehning must be in the doghouse or something, but at least he was suited up. Dunn had 17 minutes. SU wasn't very good, especially missing 2 of their top 3 scorers who got into trouble.

 

[PlayerRep]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

It was good to see my suggestion pretty much followed, by changing the rotation pattern, keep the minutes of the 2 starting guards below 30 minutes (27 and 25), and get some minutes to other players, including Moorehead (21) and DeJong. Moorehead scored 13 on 5-5 shooting. Bradshaw got 10 minutes and 6 points. Breunig played under 30. Boehning must be in the doghouse or something, but at least he was suited up. Dunn had 17 minutes. SU wasn't very good, especially missing 2 of their top 3 scorers who got into trouble.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

It was good to see my suggestion pretty much followed, by changing the rotation pattern, keep the minutes of the 2 starting guards below 30 minutes (27 and 25), and get some minutes to other players, including Moorehead (21) and DeJong. Moorehead scored 13 on 5-5 shooting. Bradshaw got 10 minutes and 6 points. Breunig played under 30. Boehning must be in the doghouse or something, but at least he was suited up. Dunn had 17 minutes. SU wasn't very good, especially missing 2 of their top 3 scorers who got into trouble.

PR, you know as well as I do, the minutes of the studs should be cut back to develop other players in a blowout like that. We both know damn well, in a close game those minutes would have been much different. Either way, it was great to see the GRIZ play a complete game for 40 minutes. :thumb:

 

[Potomac Griz]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

It was good to see my suggestion pretty much followed, by changing the rotation pattern, keep the minutes of the 2 starting guards below 30 minutes (27 and 25), and get some minutes to other players, including Moorehead (21) and DeJong. Moorehead scored 13 on 5-5 shooting. Bradshaw got 10 minutes and 6 points. Breunig played under 30. Boehning must be in the doghouse or something, but at least he was suited up. Dunn had 17 minutes. SU wasn't very good, especially missing 2 of their top 3 scorers who got into trouble.

PR, you know as well as I do, the minutes of the studs should be cut back to develop other players in a blowout like that. We both know damn well, in a close game those minutes would have been much different. Either way, it was great to see the GRIZ play a complete game for 40 minutes. :thumb:

Yup. No one was pushing for playing our starters tons of minutes in a blowout game like this. Good to see DeJong and Bradshaw get some minutes and of course Moorehead looking good out there.

Hopefully the game against NAU will be similar. Cats beat them 101-52 tonight.
It was 56-18 at half time :shock:

I don't expect a beating quite like that...but a comfortable enough lead to where we can get more minutes for DeJong and Bradshaw as well as get Moorehead even more experience would be awesome.

 

[PlayerRep]

It's nice to see some of you finally coming around and admitting that you agree with me. Thx.

 

[mtgrizrule]

It's nice to see some of you finally coming around and admitting that you agree with me. Thx.

Hmm, had Travis not given more minutes to the likes of Bradshaw, DeJong, and Moorehead in that blow out, I think many would be questioning Travis for that. :lol: Fortunately the GRIZ played so well, they caused us to all agree on this particular game. :thumb:

 

[EverettGriz]

Oh, we all agree about you. There's no doubting that.....

 

[PlayerRep]

Oh, we all agree about you. There's no doubting that.....

Recognizing that GrizRule has said he is not taking sides in this discussion, note his comments from the SU game thread. These are the exact points I was making on the playing-time subject this week. These things seem so obvious to me. There are good reasons to deviate from the late-season rotation, when given the opportunity later in the season. Guess some of you want to disagree with me, even when you actually agree.

"It was great to see DeJong with developmental minutes."

"I was disappointed and surprised Boehning did not play. I think he might be injured or DeCuire is giving him some tough love for something we will never hear of. Either way, this game was a perfect opportunity to get him some developmental minutes and it did not happen."

"Oguine was not the only freshman who played well. Moorehead, like Oguine, played calm and cool, and hit double digits without missing a shot. These young guys are getting better every game."

"Maybe the best news of all, no GRIZ logged more than 30 minutes on the court."

 

[Mousegriz]

I logged only the first 20 minutes of that one myself then went downtown for dinner. Not the game where any point was proven, and no, Travis didn't heed your suggestion PR. The NAU game won't prove any points either. These games will be good ones to keep some guys happy who aren't going to get many minutes come tourney time. The best 5 to 7 guys win championships.

 

[PlayerRep]

I logged only the first 20 minutes of that one myself then went downtown for dinner. Not the game where any point was proven, and no, Travis didn't heed your suggestion PR. The NAU game won't prove any points either. These games will be good ones to keep some guys happy who aren't going to get many minutes come tourney time. The best 5 to 7 guys win championships.

Actually, the playing time and rotation last night, along with GrizRule's comments, do prove my point, i.e. need to try to keep minutes of top players under control and give more time to guys who may be able to provide more depth when needed. Nothing I said was dependent on the quality of the opponent or the type of game. It was a general comment applicable to the games in the remaining weeks of the season.

Are you going to tell us that GrizRule's comments after the game are incorrect too?

The best 5 or 7 games may win championships at times, but they don't all the time. Sometimes you need your depth to step in and step up to win championships. And even the best 5 or 7 can't come into the tourney worn out or hampered by minor injuries. UM isn't going to win the championship with 5 players, and probably isn't going to win with 7 either. If Breunig gets into foul trouble and sits against teams like EWU, Weber and Idaho, the Griz better have some guys on the bench who play very well.

 

[EverettGriz]

So your point was that depth should be developed during 40 point blowouts?

Gotcha. If that was it, then we all agree. Woulda been helpful if you'd stated it as such, however.

Beyond that, you're simply wrong.

 

[PlayerRep]

So your point was that depth should be developed during 40 point blowouts?

Gotcha. If that was it, then we all agree. Woulda been helpful if you'd stated it as such, however.

Beyond that, you're simply wrong.

No, my point was that depth, especially certain Griz depth this year, should continue to be developed, and our top players should be rested as much as possible coming into the tournament. It is not important to stick to some narrow/small late-season rotation. This should occur in the remaining games before the tournament, whether blowouts or not. Of course, it's more important to win the remaining games, tho.

Looks like Travis and GrizRule agree with me.

Now, what was your point again? Just stick with the narrow/small rotation, don't try to develop anymore depth at this point of the season, and pray that no one gets into foul trouble or gets hurt?

 

[Mousegriz]

Conference tournament title hopes for the Griz are soaring today. After putting that almost perfect (unfortunately no Boehning) substitution rotation together last night, the Griz got some much needed rest for our top players coming into the tournament. This same pattern could emerge tomorrow. I sense this to be key for the Griz title hopes.

You can already almost feel that the team we play for the title won't go 6 - 7 down the stretch...maybe only 3 for 7 or 4 for 7 because the Griz defense won't be worn out as much. Also, the Griz won't turn it over down the stretch much because they won't be tiring. They will respond much better to the pressure of a title game because sometimes teams don't respond as much to pressure when they are tired. It's apparent, the Griz won't be as tired in those last few minutes of the title game because the top players are getting rest this weekend.

And, ya know, even if all the remaining games are closer, it's real important that Travis tries to keep the same rotation going. Of course, ya know, they better win those games. But really, ya know, the rotation is the bigger key so the Griz keep their top guys rested coming into the tournament. It's a 3 game in 3 day tournament and they'll get tired playing that many games in that many days unless they are rested coming into the tournament.....ya know what I'm sayin'.

 

[EverettGriz]

Good post, Mouse. I for one cannot WAIT to see DeJung face off with Bolumboy. That should yield some fantastic basketball.

 

[marceagfan5]

The best 5 or 7 games may win championships at times, but they don't all the time. Sometimes you need your depth to step in and step up to win championships. And even the best 5 or 7 can't come into the tourney worn out or hampered by minor injuries. UM isn't going to win the championship with 5 players, and probably isn't going to win with 7 either. If Breunig gets into foul trouble and sits against teams like EWU, Weber and Idaho, the Griz better have some guys on the bench who play very well.

Eastern only had 7 guys average 10+ minutes last year, 4 of them over 30 for the entire year, their two guards were over 33, including their best player who was at 37/game...

Weber only had 7 guys average 10+ minutes in 2014, their best player averaged more than 33 for the year

Montana had 3 guys average more than 31 minutes a game in 2013, your best players averaged 35 and 33 for the year

Montana had only 7 guys average 10+ minutes in 2012, 3 over 30 and your two best about 34/35 a game

What do these teams have in common? They won the Big Sky the last 4 years. But you are right, you really can't win if you only have 5-7 players playing big minutes... :roll:

 

[GrizLA]

Under the new format, it is possible, though unlikely, that Idaho State or North Dakota could win and represent the Big Sky...Even Northern Colorado, again....UM, by the way, has probably its toughest conference games coming up in Pocatello and Ogden. We will see about "rotation" then...