Playing time comparison (Big Sky & Top 10)

[PlayerRep]

JESUS you are UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.


Show me where I said that even ONCE.

The rotation will change in blowouts. It will not change just to give guys floor time in close games. That's what EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU has said this entire thread (along with a few others you f***[*] up with the same ridiculous argument). I seriously think you have major intelligence deficiencies. I don't know if it's early (although really not so early in your case) onset Alzheimer's, general dementia, or perhaps CTE's from playing with leather helmets. But I strongly suggest you get yourself checked by a reputable physician. You are not well.

or...you can simply write this off due to PR's proclivity for recreational arguing spiced with a side order of lying when necessary! :thumb:

Zero lying from me. Occasional typos, mistakes, etc.

I know that I got Everett's goat years ago and he often sees red when he sees my posts. When he picks away without substance and makes no sense, or posts dumb stuff like this, it makes me chuckle. I think he's the one who should seek medical help.

Pr, I'd have to give two shits about you to have my "goat gotten" by you. And I don't even give one shit.

I tell you what would bother me, however: being called out as a liar by some of the most respected posters on the board.

Okay, I'll bite. You are a liar. Do you feel bad now? Ha.

If GrizWhiz wants to back up his statement with evidence, I'm be happy to look at it. Doubt that he can back up what he said. And if he can't, does that make him a liar?

 

[BelierPeaux]

. . . We get told to decide
Just like, as if, I'm not gonna change my mind
All I know is that I don't know

 

[GrizLA]

Geezus, you guys sound like a bunch of Republicans....let it go.

 

[catsack]

Potomac, a few questions.

Do you think the minutes of Wright and Oguine will go up as UM approaches the tourney and in the tourney? That's what you seem to be saying. I didn't and don't agree with you. Or, are you now changing your tune and agreeing with me that their minutes should probably go down a bit?

if DeCuire is narrowing the rotation, why is DeJong playing more?

What's your view on GrizRule's concern about post depth?

Are you suggesting that post foul trouble or injury are of no concern to you, or won't happen?

Do you think DeCuire should stay with big minutes for Wright and Oguine, and keep Dunn on the bench more--the idea being to stick with the 2 top guards who have been playing well in alot of minutes all year?

What about Morehead, is it your idea to keep his minutes down in the rotation now?

Did you attend the conference championship game in person last year?

Do you disagree that the Griz seemed to run out of gas later in the game against EWU, including not defending well enough? I didn't notice that you had answered that prior question, but I must admit that I haven't been reading your very long posts (doubt that many others are either).

Maybe the mods will give you a big timeout , and hopefully the guards get more mins !!

 

[catsack]

Or, maybe it comes down to whether someone has actually played D-I sports and knows how demanding long periods of play can be at that level. Just another thought.

I like the several poster/posters indicating that all players on the court would get tired at exactly the same rate, or all wouldn't get tired at all. That was pretty funny. The silly arguments that some try to make are amusing.

Yeah, perhaps. And with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and trust Travis' opinion; you know, a guy who played DI basketball 12 years ago and has coached DI basketball at the highest level, over a guy who played football some 50 years ago.

It was good to see my suggestion pretty much followed, by changing the rotation pattern, keep the minutes of the 2 starting guards below 30 minutes (27 and 25), and get some minutes to other players, including Moorehead (21) and DeJong. Moorehead scored 13 on 5-5 shooting. Bradshaw got 10 minutes and 6 points. Breunig played under 30. Boehning must be in the doghouse or something, but at least he was suited up. Dunn had 17 minutes. SU wasn't very good, especially missing 2 of their top 3 scorers who got into trouble.

The griz are in trouble if TD is listening to you!!

 

[sacstateman]

I'm sure that Timmy Falls will really want to come to Montana after reading this thread....what a recruiting tool you guys are....

 

[Potomac Griz]

I'm sure that Timmy Falls will really want to come to Montana after reading this thread....what a recruiting tool you guys are....

You honestly think message board drama is going to dissuade a recruit from wanting to go to a particular school? I'd say that's probably pretty damn far down the list of possible reasons a recruit might not want to attend a certain university.

Here are some reasons that are more likely to affect a potential recruit:

Seeing a gym that looks more like Lolo Middle School's gym.
Seeing that a team doesn't even draw 1k fans on average to their home games.
Seeing a team that each year plays an awful non-conference strength of schedule (sometimes one of the worst in the entire country), 4 of the last 6 years not even getting into the top 300 for non-conference SOS.
Seeing a team that's only finished in the top half of their own conference 1 time in the past decade.

Luckily none of those things apply to the Griz. The Griz have a fantastic arena, draw good crowds (compared to other Big Sky and other mid-major conferences), play tough non-conference schedules regularly, and are typically up near the top or at the top of the Big Sky & participating in post season tournaments.

I seriously doubt message board chatter is going to have an effect on a recruit. That's about as likely as DeCuire listening to PlayerRep's opinion on how much playing time each player should be getting

 

[PlayerRep]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

 

[Potomac Griz]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

 

[PlayerRep]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

Potomac, it has nothing to do with ego. From what you say and what I know about you, you don't even know the coach and you are not much of a supporter of UM athletics including basketball. You just like to blab on the internet about things you know little or nothing about.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

Potomac, it has nothing to do with ego. From what you say and what I know about you, you don't even know the coach and you are not much of a supporter of UM athletics including basketball. You just like to blab on the internet about things you know little or nothing about.

Sounds like someone is getting a little upset hearing the truth

Face it. Any advice you give is likely met with serious eye-rolling. And the fact that you seem to think you're qualified in any way to give DeCuire any advice is laughable. Do you honestly think you have any influence over DeCuire's coaching decisions at all? I'd love to hear you answer that.

 

[PlayerRep]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

Potomac, it has nothing to do with ego. From what you say and what I know about you, you don't even know the coach and you are not much of a supporter of UM athletics including basketball. You just like to blab on the internet about things you know little or nothing about.

Sounds like someone is getting a little upset hearing the truth

Face it. Any advice you give is likely met with serious eye-rolling. And the fact that you seem to think you're qualified in any way to give DeCuire any advice is laughable. Do you honestly think you have any influence over DeCuire's coaching decisions at all? I'd love to hear you answer that.

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

 

[Potomac Griz]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

 

[PlayerRep]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

 

[EverettGriz]

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

See, the difference is my ego isn't so gigantic that I actually think a D1 coach as good as DeCuire would listen to my advice, nor would I try to give him advice. If you're actually trying to give him tips on how to run his team or think he gives a flying rats ass about your opinion on this matter then you're more delusional than I thought :lol:

Also, what happened to him obviously agreeing with you? He played the deep bench against SUU in a blowout win (like 99.9% of coaches do in a blowout win), but look what happened when the game was fairly close. He went back to the normal 8 man rotation, like most teams have (some having a 7 man rotation). Odd how that works huh?

Seems to me he isn't listening to your advice at all....nor should he. If he did we'd be in some serious trouble.

He knows what he's doing, he has a good rotation set, and he'll go deeper on the bench when needed or when it's a blowout. You worrying about certain players getting tired and thinking the Griz players are more prone to get tired than players from other teams is absurd. DeCuire knows his team, his players, and their capabilities a hell of a lot better than you do. After all, he's not only played the game he's coached the game for many years.

POY CANDIDATE!!!! And it's an early front runner.

Man. I've seen ass kickings before. But this was one of epic proportion.


Oh, and since it is clearly important to Señor BigFuckingEgo, I'll lay out my credentials: Travis and I are friends. We have been for years. Whenever he's back in the area, we get together for beers, dinners whatever. My wife and his are FB buds. And you know what: No one gives a flying a F-CK. Only the Señor BFE would think shit like that matters.

 

[Potomac Griz]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

Figured you'd dodge it and then go off on all your great connections or some random irrelevant bullshit. Do you even realize how similar to Growler you sound over the past year and a half or so? It's kind of eerie...

As for your question, no of course he doesn't listen to me when it comes to how to run his team. Why would he? He's the coach. I'm not. You aren't either btw...just in case you didn't realize that. He knows his team, his players, their capabilities and whether or not they get "tired" after a certain number of minutes. I wouldn't expect him to listen to me nor would I have the audacity to try to give him advice or get him to listen to me about that.

Your request for a bet was on whether DeCuire listens to me more than you. You know damn well what that implies and what it implies is hilariously absurd! I guarantee you neither of our opinions on how he runs his team mean anything to him. And they shouldn't!

Also, just for the record I care about as much about your connections and trying to buy your way into a coach's ear through donations as those coaches probably care about your opinion on how they run their teams. Just thought I'd toss that out there

One last thing. There are likely a lot of posters here who support Grizzly athletics financially and are well connected to athletes, coaches and the athletic department in various ways... ever wonder why you're the only one that seems to blab about it constantly like it makes your opinion worth more? Think about that for a bit....

 

[mtgrizrule]

Come on guys, give it damn break, please!!!! Both you are better than what this thread has turned into. I don't care who the DIV 1 coach, or who the fan is, I would really doubt a DIV 1 coach's credibility in any sport if they actually took advise from fans, regarding strategy and personnel. Beyond promotional or fan support suggestions, or a coach asking something like "what did you think of....(whatever it might be)", DIV 1 coaches are not going to take advise from fans. Hell, I've talked basketball with Larry, Wayne, and Travis to some extent. Usually the talk is more of what the team did well and what they need to improve on. Speaking of which, Travis always expects better from his team, and always feels there are things to improve on. That is regardless of how well or bad the team just played.

I feel I have a pretty solid good reputation with the GRIZ coaches. With that said, even when the GRIZ are struggling, I respect the GRIZ coaches way too much to ever suggest any kind of strategy to them. I base my opinions and suggestions based on what I do know of the coaches, personnel, and opponents. I used to get pretty detailed on EGRIZ as to things I felt the GRIZ should do. Due to a few too many idiots on this board, I have cut back a lot of what I post here, regarding GRIZ basketball. Nonetheless, I pride myself in getting to know as much as I can of every GRIZ basketball team, and get a feel for what and who the team is. Usually by mid January of each season, I get a good idea of the team and what to expect each game in terms of coaching strategy.

Speaking of strategy, the reason the guards (Oguine and Wright) are not playing as many minutes as they were is due to Dunn getting healthier and in game shape as the season has progressed. Travis did not have the luxury of a healthy Dunn until just recently. Because of that, Oguine and Wright had the pressure of logging probably too many minutes. Travis would probably agree with anyone's concern of too many minutes for Wright and Oguine, prior to Dunn's return. Anyone who even somewhat knows basketball can make common sense of the minute allocation for the main guard rotation (Wright, Oguine, and Dunn). It has nothing to do with what any fan suggests or wants either, no matter what you believe.

As for the frontcourt playing time, it is not as simple, because of the youth, lack of experience, and inconsistent play. The only sure fire post player the GRIZ have is Breunig. Again, anyone with some basketball knowledge can figure out why Breunig gets the playing time he does. Like our guards, he is a very talented and athletic player, and one of the best mid major players in the nation. Meanwhile Krslovic has struggled offensively and with foul trouble this season. Lopez, is not a true post player. He can struggle against bigger post players. Fortunately, his great attitude and versatility have allowed for Travis to come up with ways to utilize his strengths, and somewhat hide his lack of size.

Playing time for Gfeller and Moorehead is pretty simple too. Both are great long range shooters, solid defenders, and force teams to account for their shooting. Gfeller's shooting is capable of taking over a game for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. To be honest, I feel the GRIZ are at their best when Gfeller is at his best. Moorehead has been brought along in a gradual, yet effective process, which is more typical of most freshman (Oguine has been the exception).

With all that said, playing time minutes really has not been to difficult to predict and/or analyze. I still feel the GRIZ need to find more minutes to develop DeJong and/or Boehning (dependent upon his status, I have no idea why he is not playing). However, Travis has more confidence in the back court than the post players. The minutes for either will be dependent upon match ups each game and foul trouble. Travis has really tried to develop each with considerable leads or favorable match ups. I honestly expect that to continue. For Travis to go away from that, either will have to play really well for the few minutes that are planned out (which DeJong did last week). If either plays well with their minutes, then Travis rewards them with more during that given game. Their playing time is more a by product of how the game plays out than Travis dedicating more time to them.

Overall, I feel Travis has done a near perfect job of minute allocation this season. He and his staff have an excellent read on their personnel.

I'll add this. Due to work, I had to miss the NAU game in person. I listened to it on the radio. It sounded like DeJong and Bradshaw did not get much time in this game. It sounded like Moorehead got his normal rotational minutes and again played well in his minutes. That goes to show Travis is not listening to any fans in terms of how to develop personnel or allocate playing minutes. Very few of us, will ever buy or believe Travis listening to fans input about strategy and personnel. He will listen to fans to be professional and cordial. That does not include strategy and personnel though.

I really do hope we can stop the bickering, fighting, feuding, etc on this thread. I do have a challenge for some of us to ponder between now and next season. Based on what we know from this season, what do you expect the rotation to be next year and about who will get how many minutes? I doubt many will go out on a limb to guess how the minutes will be allocated in advance. My point being, stating/posting strategy, personnel, etc after patterns have been established really does not prove anything to anyone. Projecting it accurately, or close before hand takes some knowledge, insight, and foresight. Meanwhile, this whole debate has been based on hindsight, with VERY LITTLE foresight.

 

[Potomac Griz]

I would really doubt a DIV 1 coach's credibility in any sport if they actually took advise from fans, regarding strategy and personnel. Beyond promotional or fan support suggestions, or a coach asking something like "what did you think of....(whatever it might be)", DIV 1 coaches are not going to take advise from fans.

Totally agree. Show me a coach who takes advice from donors (no matter how much they give) and/or fans and I'll show ya a coach who is likely going to be looking for a new job soon

Overall, I feel Travis has done a near perfect job of minute allocation this season. He and his staff have an excellent read on their personnel.

Again, I totally agree. That's what I've been trying to push with this thread and in another thread. DeCuire knows what he's doing out there & what he's doing when it comes to playing certain players a 30+ minutes is VERY common.

Look at how he exceeded expectations (in a big way) last year even being down one scholarship. He took a Griz team that was picked to finish either 5th or 7th if I remember right (depending on the poll) and won the regular season title with them. That's damn impressive and a good indication that he knows what he's doing.

We ended up losing in a close game to a VERY talented EWU team that had a legit NBA prospect (Harvey) and several other players who will end up playing professionally somewhere.

This year we're sitting in the #1 spot even after having played the majority of our conference games on the road, having our normal starting PG injured for half the year & having him a bit rusty offensively when he came back. Again, damn impressive!

FWIW, as much as I liked Tinkle as a coach, recruiter and person he had some "growing pains" when he made the jump to HC initially. DeCuire seems to have bypassed those growing pains and jumped right into kicking ass & getting the most out of his players. That's why I find it hard to believe someone is being critical when it comes to how much time he plays certain players...as if DeCuire doesn't know the limits and capabilities of his own players.

To be honest the only reason I jumped back into this fray was because all of the crowing that was going on after the SUU game where we got some players extra minutes due to it being a blowout. The NAU game was a lot closer (with NAU seeming to hang around within striking distance all game) and as expected we went back to the normal 8 man rotation that DeCuire is comfortable with using to make sure we get the ever important W

Hopefully in this upcoming game against the Cats we'll have a comfortable enough lead in the 2nd half that we can see plenty of Bradshaw, DeJong and Boehning & get them some more minutes before we go on the road to face a much improved ISU team and as always a very talented Weber team.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I would really doubt a DIV 1 coach's credibility in any sport if they actually took advise from fans, regarding strategy and personnel. Beyond promotional or fan support suggestions, or a coach asking something like "what did you think of....(whatever it might be)", DIV 1 coaches are not going to take advise from fans.

Totally agree. Show me a coach who takes advice from donors (no matter how much they give) and/or fans and I'll show ya a coach who is likely going to be looking for a new job soon

Overall, I feel Travis has done a near perfect job of minute allocation this season. He and his staff have an excellent read on their personnel.

Again, I totally agree. That's what I've been trying to push with this thread and in another thread. DeCuire knows what he's doing out there & what he's doing when it comes to playing certain players a 30+ minutes is VERY common.

Look at how he exceeded expectations (in a big way) last year even being down one scholarship. He took a Griz team that was picked to finish either 5th or 7th if I remember right (depending on the poll) and won the regular season title with them. That's damn impressive and a good indication that he knows what he's doing.

We ended up losing in a close game to a VERY talented EWU team that had a legit NBA prospect (Harvey) and several other players who will end up playing professionally somewhere.

This year we're sitting in the #1 spot even after having played the majority of our conference games on the road, having our normal starting PG injured for half the year & having him a bit rusty offensively when he came back. Again, damn impressive!

FWIW, as much as I liked Tinkle as a coach, recruiter and person he had some "growing pains" when he made the jump to HC initially. DeCuire seems to have bypassed those growing pains and jumped right into kicking ass & getting the most out of his players. That's why I find it hard to believe someone is being critical when it comes to how much time he plays certain players...as if DeCuire doesn't know the limits and capabilities of his own players.

To be honest the only reason I jumped back into this fray was because all of the crowing that was going on after the SUU game where we got some players extra minutes due to it being a blowout. The NAU game was a lot closer (with NAU seeming to hang around within striking distance all game) and as expected we went back to the normal 8 man rotation that DeCuire is comfortable with using to make sure we get the ever important W

Hopefully in this upcoming game against the Cats we'll have a comfortable enough lead in the 2nd half that we can see plenty of Bradshaw, DeJong and Boehning & get them some more minutes before we go on the road to face a much improved ISU team and as always a very talented Weber team.

I hope the GRIZ play well enough every game to accommodate developmental minutes for those players. That is the team reward for great play. It also helps the progress for next year's team. :thumb:

Funny part is, we all agree on the importance of developing bench depth and I feel we all want the same outcome. I really don't understand why or how this has been blown out of proportion?

 

[catsack]

As I said, you don't know DeCuire and provide little or no support for the program. Just a blabber on the internet. Feel free to remind me where I said, in any serious way, I was giving advice to DeCuire.

You asked:

Potomac, shall we have a bet on whether Travis listens to you more than me?

That implies that you think DeCuire listens to you.

So...do you think he does? Or do you think he doesn't? Simple question.

No, it doesn't imply anything. The question was whether he listens to you. You haven't answered that question. Does he listen to you?

But, ya, I know him a bit. Looks like you don't. Yes, he listens to me when I talk to him. I support the basketball team financially. Do you? I go to some of the fundraising events. Do you? I've talked to him about basketball and the team and even the refs. Have you? His uncle had dinner with my wife and me after the EWU loss last year. Travis' godfather is the brother of a couple of my friends (twins) whom I played football with and have been friends with since then. Let's hear about all your connections.

Quit Jacking yourself off you are not important! It's obviously you've never played the game ! Potomac handed you your ass on platter !