Pflu

[getgrizzy]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.

 

[AZGrizFan]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.

Actually, the fact he wears a Griz uniform is the ONLY reason this thing even went to trial. Anyone with a brainstem knew no crime was committed here...FVV himself has stated that he was "pressured" into taking it to trial by the DOJ, even though he knew he couldn't win. If JJ wasn't a Griz this case wouldn't have been caught up in the misguided hysteria surrounding the "thug-life" of Griz football and her (and her attorney) would have been laughed out of the police station.

 

[getgrizzy]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.

Actually, the fact he wears a Griz uniform is the ONLY reason this thing even went to trial. Anyone with a brainstem knew no crime was committed here...FVV himself has stated that he was "pressured" into taking it to trial by the DOJ, even though he knew he couldn't win. If JJ wasn't a Griz this case wouldn't have been caught up in the misguided hysteria surrounding the "thug-life" of Griz football and her (and her attorney) would have been laughed out of the police station.

fvv said that not guilty doesn't mean innocent, which is synonymous with saying not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. same as guilty doesn't mean it did happen. i really don't know why i'm wasting my time trying to tell you this.

 

[Grisly Fan]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.

Actually, the fact he wears a Griz uniform is the ONLY reason this thing even went to trial. Anyone with a brainstem knew no crime was committed here...FVV himself has stated that he was "pressured" into taking it to trial by the DOJ, even though he knew he couldn't win. If JJ wasn't a Griz this case wouldn't have been caught up in the misguided hysteria surrounding the "thug-life" of Griz football and her (and her attorney) would have been laughed out of the police station.

fvv said that not guilty doesn't mean innocent, which is synonymous with saying not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. same as guilty doesn't mean it did happen. i really don't know why i'm wasting my time trying to tell you this.

I'll take a stab at it: because you're a very small-minded jerk that enjoys making distinctions without differences. Yep, nailed it.

 

[getgrizzy]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.

Actually, the fact he wears a Griz uniform is the ONLY reason this thing even went to trial. Anyone with a brainstem knew no crime was committed here...FVV himself has stated that he was "pressured" into taking it to trial by the DOJ, even though he knew he couldn't win. If JJ wasn't a Griz this case wouldn't have been caught up in the misguided hysteria surrounding the "thug-life" of Griz football and her (and her attorney) would have been laughed out of the police station.

fvv said that not guilty doesn't mean innocent, which is synonymous with saying not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. same as guilty doesn't mean it did happen. i really don't know why i'm wasting my time trying to tell you this.

I'll take a stab at it: because you're a very small-minded jerk that enjoys making distinctions without differences. Yep, nailed it.

sorry, but it has been factually proven many times that guilty and not guilty verdicts aren't the same thing as the truth. it isn't distinction without a difference.

 

[Grizbeer]

I gotta say the 2010 team had the same or more talent as 2008 or 2009. Phlugrad going a different direction and new coachs and all. Speaks to what a great job Bobby and joe Glenn did to use what talent they had instead of making the players fit them

Both of them ran systems nearly identical to the other. The people who still hate on Pflu for diving right into his system are hilarious.

Would you have rather gone 8-4, losing in the first round of the playoffs in 2010 and 2011, instead of 7-4 and then 11-3? A hurt Reynolds and Selle in Bobby's offense would have been just as devastating.

That's what would have happened if Pflu hadn't overhauled everything in 2010 to get his guys ready for 2011. We did the exact same thing this year, forcing an offense with players that weren't recruited to run it, but we don't hear people bitching about it now, do we?

The fact that he got the offense to where it was at the end of the 2011 season despite being only in his second year after radically and fundamentally changing the offense is a much better testament to how good of a coach is was.

The selective history of eGrizzers is amazing. You can't condemn him for what happened off the field while still praising coaches like Hauck. That's absolutely ridiculous. Pflu isn't coming back, but to say he wasn't a great coach is laughable. We were lucky to have him.

Just so we are clear I didn't say anything about the off field issues. My point is this - the same people that hate on Delaney for being a bad coach give a complete pass to Pflugrad and clamor for his return. But if you compare Pflugrad’s results in 2010 and what he had to work with to Delaney’s results in 2012 and the sh!tstorm he was dealing with, Delaney wins hands down.

And yes injuries impacted 2010, but to blame that season on injuries to Selle and Renolds is silly. Sell was injured in the come from behind 3 point win over Sac State at home, after losing back to back games to EWU and Cal Poly. And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

I see....so you're clearly in the camp of "losing your starting QB and having an injured starting NFL-worthy RB shouldn't impact your on-field performance" camp.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, the fact he wears a Griz uniform is the ONLY reason this thing even went to trial. Anyone with a brainstem knew no crime was committed here...FVV himself has stated that he was "pressured" into taking it to trial by the DOJ, even though he knew he couldn't win. If JJ wasn't a Griz this case wouldn't have been caught up in the misguided hysteria surrounding the "thug-life" of Griz football and her (and her attorney) would have been laughed out of the police station.

fvv said that not guilty doesn't mean innocent, which is synonymous with saying not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. same as guilty doesn't mean it did happen. i really don't know why i'm wasting my time trying to tell you this.

I'll take a stab at it: because you're a very small-minded jerk that enjoys making distinctions without differences. Yep, nailed it.

sorry, but it has been factually proven many times that guilty and not guilty verdicts aren't the same thing as the truth. it isn't distinction without a difference.

Not guilty, in a 12-0 vote coming within several hours of the end of an almost 3 week trial, is tantamount to saying that no sexual assault occurred. JJ testified. The jury believe him and not the accuser. In the US system, the Constitution says the accused is innocent until proven guilty, and when acquitted, what's left is "innocent". The accuser was caught lying on multiple occasions during the trial. JJ wasn't. For people like gg to still be arguing this, and bringing up nonsense, is totally ridiculous.

 

[PlayerRep]

And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

I see....so you're clearly in the camp of "losing your starting QB and having an injured starting NFL-worthy RB shouldn't impact your on-field performance" camp.

Agreed, AZ. The loss of Selle was huge that year. Roper was not nearly as good, and didn't have the support of the team like Selle did. Having Reynolds hurt bad in the MSU definitely contributed to his fumbles. He took good care of the ball in his career. He barely fumbled 2 times in a season, let alone twice in a game. If he'd had one less fumble, UM would have beaten the Cats. Had he not had to go out of the game when UM was driving into Cat territory, it is likely that UM would have won. Even one more win, let alone 2 or 3, would have put UM in the playoffs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And yes injuries impacted 2010, but to blame that season on injuries to Selle and Renolds is silly. Sell was injured in the come from behind 3 point win over Sac State at home, after losing back to back games to EWU and Cal Poly. And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

And when he's NOT injured, here are his stats against essentially the same teams:

Western State: 100 rushing/18 receiving
UCD: 96 rushing/16 receiving
PSU: 34 rushing
NAU: 83 rushing/25 receiving
Cal Poly: 112 rushing/44 receiving
EWU: 74 rushing/19 receiving
Sac State: 112 rushing/8 receiving
WSU: 244 rushing/5 receiving
ISU: 144 rushing/57 receiving
UNC: 153 rushing/26 receiving
MSU: 66 rushing/30 receiving

Oh, and 22 TD's in '09, 8 TD's in '10. Yeah, there was nothing wrong with him.

 

[Grizbeer]

And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

I see....so you're clearly in the camp of "losing your starting QB and having an injured starting NFL-worthy RB shouldn't impact your on-field performance" camp.

No not true. However I am in the camp that key players get injured almost every year, but good coaches find a way to overcome them. Of course they have an impact - Roper wasn't as good as Selle, and Reynolds wasn't as good as he could have been. But the fact is that Selle was starting QB for 1/2 of the losses that season. Griz were 0-2 vs D-I teams before he was injured, and 6-2 after he was injured. Would the Griz have beaten Weber State or Montana State with Selle that year? Nobody knows. The numbers that CR put up were very good that year. But even more, injuries happen every year to every team. 2005 Griz had freshman Bergquist and transfer Jason Washington for QB, and Washington got injured early in the season, yet Montana still won a share of the BSC and made the playoffs, for example.

Would CR have fumbled twice in the MSU game if he had not been injured? Probably not. Probably wouldn't have fumbled twice if it wasn't so cold out even with the injury, either. But in the end it was a loss that along with the other 3 losses that season to go along with 6 (or 5 depending on how you count the UND game) D-I wins kept the Griz out of the playoffs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I see....so you're clearly in the camp of "losing your starting QB and having an injured starting NFL-worthy RB shouldn't impact your on-field performance" camp.

No not true. However I am in the camp that key players get injured almost every year, but good coaches find a way to overcome them. Of course they have an impact - Roper wasn't as good as Selle, and Reynolds wasn't as good as he could have been. But the fact is that Selle was starting QB for 1/2 of the losses that season. Griz were 0-2 vs D-I teams before he was injured, and 6-2 after he was injured. Would the Griz have beaten Weber State or Montana State with Selle that year? Nobody knows. The numbers that CR put up were very good that year. But even more, injuries happen every year to every team. 2005 Griz had freshman Bergquist and transfer Jason Washington for QB, and Washington got injured early in the season, yet Montana still won a share of the BSC and made the playoffs, for example.

Would CR have fumbled twice in the MSU game if he had not been injured? Probably not. Probably wouldn't have fumbled twice if it wasn't so cold out even with the injury, either. But in the end it was a loss that along with the other 3 losses that season to go along with 6 (or 5 depending on how you count the UND game) D-I wins kept the Griz out of the playoffs.

I agree that "injuries happen". But when it's the two most important people on the offensive side of the football, it's a little different than it being a "rotation guy", wouldn't you agree? What if JJ and EH had gone down this year? How do you think we'd have done? I think we saw THIS year how important the right QB is for a team...JJ was the difference in 3-4 wins for this team. Without him, we go 7-5 again and miss the playoffs AGAIN. One guy. And I'd make an argument that JJ WAS playing injured...his shoulder was obviously bothering him after he injured it in the 3rd(?) game of the season. His accuracy #'s were off the charts and suddenly he became "average"...that doesn't happen by accident. With a healthy JJ, there's no telling HOW far this team could have gone.

 

[Grizbeer]

And when he's NOT injured, here are his stats against essentially the same teams:

Western State: 100 rushing/18 receiving
UCD: 96 rushing/16 receiving
PSU: 34 rushing
NAU: 83 rushing/25 receiving
Cal Poly: 112 rushing/44 receiving
EWU: 74 rushing/19 receiving
Sac State: 112 rushing/8 receiving
WSU: 244 rushing/5 receiving
ISU: 144 rushing/57 receiving
UNC: 153 rushing/26 receiving
MSU: 66 rushing/30 receiving

Oh, and 22 TD's in '09, 8 TD's in '10. Yeah, there was nothing wrong with him.

No one is saying he wasn't dinged up. Just saying his stats were still very good, and he wasn't the reason the Griz lost 4 games and missed the playoffs. Are you saying that his stats were not very good because of his injury, or that he is the reason the Griz missed the playoffs? Also could coaching/scheme have contributed to the lower yards and TD in 2010 from 2009?

 

[AZGrizFan]

And when he's NOT injured, here are his stats against essentially the same teams:

Western State: 100 rushing/18 receiving
UCD: 96 rushing/16 receiving
PSU: 34 rushing
NAU: 83 rushing/25 receiving
Cal Poly: 112 rushing/44 receiving
EWU: 74 rushing/19 receiving
Sac State: 112 rushing/8 receiving
WSU: 244 rushing/5 receiving
ISU: 144 rushing/57 receiving
UNC: 153 rushing/26 receiving
MSU: 66 rushing/30 receiving

Oh, and 22 TD's in '09, 8 TD's in '10. Yeah, there was nothing wrong with him.

No one is saying he wasn't dinged up. Just saying his stats were still very good, and he wasn't the reason the Griz lost 4 games and missed the playoffs. Are you saying that his stats were not very good because of his injury, or that he is the reason the Griz missed the playoffs? Also could coaching/scheme have contributed to the lower yards and TD in 2010 from 2009?

I dont' think there's any doubt scheme contributed. He had 130 fewer carries in 2010 than in 2009 or 2008. Some of that was scheme, I'm sure....and some of it was he wasn't healthy and they couldn't lean on him for 30 carries a game like in year's past.

I wonder how different our conversations on egriz would be if the 2010 Griz had not lost to Weber. :lol: 8-3, in the playoffs, streaks continued, etc., etc.

If if's and but's were candy and nuts....

 

[PlayerRep]

And here is Reynolds totals by game that season:
EWU 32 rushing/22 receiving yards in loss
Cal Poly 119 rushing/15 receiving yards in loss
Sac State 42 rushing/60 receiving yards in come from behind 3 point win
UNC 103 rushing/17 receiving yards in blow out win
ISU 30 rushing/36 receiving yards in blow out win
PSU 107 rushing/67 receiving yards in come from behind kick a field goal as time expired 2 point win
NAU 83 rushing/6 receiving yards in come from behind score a TD with 5 seconds left 3 point win
WSU 71 rushing/54 receiving yards in loss that UM didn't score in the 2nd half
UND 173 rushing/39 receiving yards in come from behind win where UM scored last 2 touchdowns of the game over UND in what was their last year of transition from D-II to FCS (not sure if this counted as a D-I win since they were still in transition?)
MSU 180 rushing/-2 receiving yards in loss on a bitterly cold day

Those are pretty damn good stats. I am not saying Chase wasn’t dinged up, but to blame that seasons record on Chase in any way is just silly.

I see....so you're clearly in the camp of "losing your starting QB and having an injured starting NFL-worthy RB shouldn't impact your on-field performance" camp.

No not true. However I am in the camp that key players get injured almost every year, but good coaches find a way to overcome them. Of course they have an impact - Roper wasn't as good as Selle, and Reynolds wasn't as good as he could have been. But the fact is that Selle was starting QB for 1/2 of the losses that season. Griz were 0-2 vs D-I teams before he was injured, and 6-2 after he was injured. Would the Griz have beaten Weber State or Montana State with Selle that year? Nobody knows. The numbers that CR put up were very good that year. But even more, injuries happen every year to every team. 2005 Griz had freshman Bergquist and transfer Jason Washington for QB, and Washington got injured early in the season, yet Montana still won a share of the BSC and made the playoffs, for example.

Would CR have fumbled twice in the MSU game if he had not been injured? Probably not. Probably wouldn't have fumbled twice if it wasn't so cold out even with the injury, either. But in the end it was a loss that along with the other 3 losses that season to go along with 6 (or 5 depending on how you count the UND game) D-I wins kept the Griz out of the playoffs.

I agree that injuries happen and coaches/teams have to deal with them. However, the loss of a starting qb for the season almost always has a huge impact on a season. Has UM ever had to deal with the loss of its starting qb for the rest of a season, say for the last half of a season or more--except Selle and JJ?

Selle was adjusting to a modified offense, and still working into it. He and the team would have improved as the season went on. UM's season record would have been better with Selle.

The huge impact of the loss of JJ, and the return of JJ, should be absolutely clear to UM fans.

Going back to Pflu, the largest factor in the record of the team during his 2 years, and in Delaney's 2 years, was the qb. Without Selle, UM was not nearly as good as it would have been. With JJ, UM was very good. Without JJ, UM had a losing record. With JJ, UM had a very good record. The qb situation was a much bigger factor in the success rate, than the coach or any of the other smaller factors. All 4 of those teams had the potential to be great teams.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

 

[PlayerRep]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

Delaney has coached only 2 seasons.

 

[Grizbeer]

I agree that injuries happen and coaches/teams have to deal with them. However, the loss of a starting qb for the season almost always has a huge impact on a season. Has UM ever had to deal with the loss of its starting qb for the rest of a season, say for the last half of a season or more--except Selle and JJ?

Selle was adjusting to a modified offense, and still working into it. He and the team would have improved as the season went on. UM's season record would have been better with Selle.

The huge impact of the loss of JJ, and the return of JJ, should be absolutely clear to UM fans.

Going back to Pflu, the largest factor in the record of the team during his 2 years, and in Delaney's 2 years, was the qb. Without Selle, UM was not nearly as good as it would have been. With JJ, UM was very good. Without JJ, UM had a losing record. With JJ, UM had a very good record. The qb situation was a much bigger factor in the success rate, than the coach or any of the other smaller factors. All 4 of those teams had the potential to be great teams.

I pretty much agree with everything you say here. I think in 2003 the Griz lost Ochs for 4 games, and Disney for about 1/2 the season. That game against Idaho with Hartman running the option was sure brilliance on the part of the coaching staff. I am not sure the Griz win more with Selle in 2010. he was a better QB than Roper, but Roper wasn't terrible. No once can say for sure what would have happened.

And I think your point it brings us back to the point I (and others like everett) were trying to say - the records of Delaney and Pflugrad would be very close to the same with the same circumstances. Our coaching staff is good, and the Griz are just fine with them in place, and will be better next year. Fans who think the record would have been much better with Pflugrad in charge with the same circumstances, or that we need to get Pflugrad back are are fooling themselves (and most likely would be calling for Robin's head if he were still here).

 

[Bear Axed]

i really don't know why i'm wasting my time trying to tell you this.

I guess I don't understand why most people on here keep biting on this bobkittens bait.

He has admitted a number of times that he is a :msugrad:

 

[tnt]

It might be better for someone hiring a new coach to read eGriz than to read Pflu's resume. What could have been at Montana wasn't. What could have been at Weber wasn't. He doesn't have extensive experience as an OC or HC.

Right or wrong his most recent experience was a an NCAA suspension and OC for a team that went 1-7 in conference following a 2-6 record the previous year.

He simply is not going to jump to the top of anyone's list for a while...............