Pflu

[AZGrizFan]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

Then again, maybe not. :lol: :lol:

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

Delaney has coached only 2 seasons.

Delaney has head-coached 4 seasons. Western Montana for two losing seasons. but you knew that already.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

wow. so since i am honest with myself and admit i don't actually know what happened that makes me some kind of twisted jerk? i've always agreed with the verdict, based on what i read about the case, but that doesn't mean i know what truly happened. which is exactly where everyone else is with it. yet by stating that a lot of you come to the conclusion that i think i know what happened. that isn't rose-colored thinking that's just being a slut for your favorite team.

i take a neutral and open stand on what really happened and agree with the verdict, but some of you are so simple minded that it bothers you to a point that you have to resort to name calling. that is so blatantly feeble minded that i wonder how you can look at yourselves in the mirror. it's one thing to agree with a verdict, but quite another to think verdicts always equate to the truth. what makes it worse is that some of you are doing that selectively just because the player in question wears a griz football uniform.[/quote]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Seriously, you stated you don't know what actually happened but also say he took advantage of a girl he used for sex and resorted to that to get laid. Sure sounds like you are implying you know what really happened to me because if you did not then why would you suggest he took advantage of a girl and used her for sex when it could very well have been consensual. Maybe they both used each other for sex. Maybe she pulled the rape card after she realized it was nothing more than a one night stand.

People hook up with others they have known for a while all the time and then never have the same friendship they did prior. Maybe the only two people that know what transpired are the two that were present so for you to state you don't know what really happened while also saying that the accused took advantage and used the alleged victim makes you look like a judgmental fool. Yeah right, it sounds like you agree with the verdict if you think he took advantage of the girl and used her for sex.

You are entitled to your own opinion, however, if you want anyone to respect it you should try not to contradict yourself so much. And none of us are defending the former Griz player that was actually found guilty of this serious crime even though he wore a Griz uniform so your theory holds no credibility there.

 

[PlayerRep]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

Delaney has coached only 2 seasons.

Delaney has head-coached 4 seasons. Western Montana for two losing seasons. but you knew that already.

Got it, but what Delaney did at Western decades ago has zero relevance to the discussion occurring in this thread.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Let's get back to Pflu and maybe simplifying will help.
Pflu: 2 years head coach, 2 winning seasons, and 1 FCS semi (road loss)
Delaney: 4 years head coach, 3 losing seasons, and 1 FCS 2nd round (home loss)

Without JJ's heroics this year its 4 losing seasons for Delaney as a head coach.

Oh, and in his second year, this team and the players we sold on Pflu as THE COACH for the Griz, now and in the future.

Delaney, not so much.

Then again, maybe not. :lol: :lol:

MD College Head coaching record:

Western Montana Bulldogs (Frontier Conference) (1991–1992)

1991 Western Montana 3–5 :roll:
1992 Western Montana 2–6–1 :roll:

Western Montana: 5–11–1 :?

Montana Grizzlies (Big Sky Conference) (2012–present)

2012 Montana 5–6 (3–5) :roll:
2013 Montana 10–3 (6–2)

Montana: 15–9 (9–7) :|

Total: 20–20–1 :|

Then again, truly so. :egriz:

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

Thankfully the internet and social media was not around then. Here is a start to give you an idea. Imagine EGRIZ during those years. :thumb:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Read" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PlayerRep]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

Would anyone of heard of him had Dickenson gotten injured early in his career or been suspended from playing?

 

[tnt]

How about this group

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/214264-who-needs-a-winning-record-10-best-nfl-coaches-below-500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

So now we are going to compare coaching records of coaches who come into long suffering programs (Read) and turn them into winners, with a coach who takes over winners (Delaney) and engineers losing records (Western was 5-3 the year before Delaney, and UM, well we know that record before Engstrom gargled and swallowed).

In Phlu's last year, the Griz got better as the season progressed, and were playing great ball at the end. Offensive predictability lessened and watching the Griz play was exciting and fun. That didn't happen this year or last, and if you want to give the current head coach a "nice guy" pass on that well, mediocrity apparently suits you. It didn't suit Pflu, and speculating his demise if he hadn't been canned, minimizing his accomplishments to feel better about the current coach, is an empty enterprise.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

Would anyone of heard of him had Dickenson gotten injured early in his career or been suspended from playing?

Would anyone have heard of Dickenson if Read hadn't recruited and played him? Really stretching here.....

 

[exsaint]

Honestly, Coach P was a good Wr coach. That's it, a good Wr coach.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Honestly, Coach P was a good Wr coach. That's it, a good Wr coach.

Honestly, you must be right because all he did was be one of 4 coaches to get their teams to the FCS semifinals in his second year as a head coach. All decent head coaches win the chipper in their second year :roll:

 

[1Griz_Fan]

But if you compare Pflugrad’s results in 2010 and what he had to work with to Delaney’s results in 2012 and the sh!tstorm he was dealing with, Delaney wins hands down.

And if you compare Pflugrad's results in 2011 and what he had to work with to Delaney's results in 2013 with the talent he was dealing with, Pflugrad wins hands down. :roll:

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Honestly, Coach P was a good Wr coach. That's it, a good Wr coach.

Honestly, Coach D was a good Rb coach. That's it, a good Rb coach. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

Would anyone of heard of him had Dickenson gotten injured early in his career or been suspended from playing?

Would anyone have heard of Dickenson if Read hadn't recruited and played him? Really stretching here.....

Yes, because Dickenson might have gone to Dartmouth or Harvard, and won the Payton award there.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Funny how nobody brings up Don Read's coaching record before he came here.

Would anyone of heard of him had Dickenson gotten injured early in his career or been suspended from playing?

Would anyone have heard of Dickenson if Read hadn't recruited and played him? Really stretching here.....

Yes, because Dickenson might have gone to Dartmouth or Harvard, and won the Payton award there.

Let's be honest: he'd only have gone to Dartmouth as a last resort.

 

[Grizbeer]

But if you compare Pflugrad’s results in 2010 and what he had to work with to Delaney’s results in 2012 and the sh!tstorm he was dealing with, Delaney wins hands down.

And if you compare Pflugrad's results in 2011 and what he had to work with to Delaney's results in 2013 with the talent he was dealing with, Pflugrad wins hands down. :roll:

really? that 2011 team started 16 seniors, 1 was drafted in the 3rd round and another in the 7th round, and 5 other seniors signed free agent contracts. 7 players from that senior class signing NFL contracts is the most in Griz history. I like the talent the Griz have coming up, but it seems like the cubbard was pretty full of talent in 2011 also.

 

[griz8791]

Would anyone of heard of him had Dickenson gotten injured early in his career or been suspended from playing?

Would anyone have heard of Dickenson if Read hadn't recruited and played him? Really stretching here.....

Yes, because Dickenson might have gone to Dartmouth or Harvard, and won the Payton award there.

Let's be honest: he'd only have gone to Dartmouth as a last resort.

I think I heard at one point that Dickenson wanted to go to MSU but the Cats didn't want him because he wasn't big enough. Makes a great story, as in probably too good to be true. That would have sucked.

 

[ranco]

But if you compare Pflugrad’s results in 2010 and what he had to work with to Delaney’s results in 2012 and the sh!tstorm he was dealing with, Delaney wins hands down.

And if you compare Pflugrad's results in 2011 and what he had to work with to Delaney's results in 2013 with the talent he was dealing with, Pflugrad wins hands down. :roll:

really? that 2011 team started 16 seniors, 1 was drafted in the 3rd round and another in the 7th round, and 5 other seniors signed free agent contracts. 7 players from that senior class signing NFL contracts is the most in Griz history. I like the talent the Griz have coming up, but it seems like the cubbard was pretty full of talent in 2011 also.

Wow. I forgot how much talent that team had. Regardless, I'm pretty sure we all can agree that Pflu's first year was a disappointment.