Pflu

[kemajic]

say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

Example of such a season, please.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".

That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...

True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.

the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.

Yeah, never mind that the 2009 team had Chase Reynolds, TBF, Marc Mariani, Pfahler, Beaudin, both Palmer brothers, and Andrew Selle.

In other words, Just about EVERY skill position had to be replaced in 2010 (once Selle went down with the shoulder injury), including three that went to the NFL and two that are STILL in the NFL. I'm sure THAT had nothing to do with us going 7-4...

 

[getgrizzy]

That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...

True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.

the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.

Yeah, never mind that the 2009 team had Chase Reynolds, TBF, Marc Mariani, Pfahler, Beaudin, both Palmer brothers, and Andrew Selle.

In other words, Just about EVERY skill position had to be replaced in 2010 (once Selle went down with the shoulder injury), including three that went to the NFL and two that are STILL in the NFL. I'm sure THAT had nothing to do with us going 7-4...

tbf? lol. pfaler? beaudin? the palmer bros? selle? lol, lol, lol, lol, lol. youre making bobby look like genius.

 

[AZGrizFan]

True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.

the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.

Yeah, never mind that the 2009 team had Chase Reynolds, TBF, Marc Mariani, Pfahler, Beaudin, both Palmer brothers, and Andrew Selle.

In other words, Just about EVERY skill position had to be replaced in 2010 (once Selle went down with the shoulder injury), including three that went to the NFL and two that are STILL in the NFL. I'm sure THAT had nothing to do with us going 7-4...

tbf? lol. pfaler? beaudin? the palmer bros? selle? lol, lol, lol, lol, lol. youre making bobby look like genius.

And you make those players out to be chopped liver. Every one of them was instrumental in us being 14-1 and in the NC game in '09.

 

[getgrizzy]

the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.

Yeah, never mind that the 2009 team had Chase Reynolds, TBF, Marc Mariani, Pfahler, Beaudin, both Palmer brothers, and Andrew Selle.

In other words, Just about EVERY skill position had to be replaced in 2010 (once Selle went down with the shoulder injury), including three that went to the NFL and two that are STILL in the NFL. I'm sure THAT had nothing to do with us going 7-4...

tbf? lol. pfaler? beaudin? the palmer bros? selle? lol, lol, lol, lol, lol. youre making bobby look like genius.

And you make those players out to be chopped liver. Every one of them was instrumental in us being 14-1 and in the NC game in '09.

haha lol. we were just as loaded in '08. and'10. no can do pflu just blew it.

 

[Grizbeer]

I gotta say the 2010 team had the same or more talent as 2008 or 2009. Phlugrad going a different direction and new coachs and all. Speaks to what a great job Bobby and joe Glenn did to use what talent they had instead of making the players fit them

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah. Losing our starting QB in the 4th week of the season should have no effect whatsoever...Reynolds playing hurt essentially the ENTIRE year shoudl have no effect whatsoever...

 

[EverettGriz]

say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

Example of such a season, please.

97, 98 and 03 come to mind. Although they were probably 8-4 with 1st round losses. I'm too lazy to look up to see if those were 11 or 12 game seasons. In any event...

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[uofmman1122]

I gotta say the 2010 team had the same or more talent as 2008 or 2009. Phlugrad going a different direction and new coachs and all. Speaks to what a great job Bobby and joe Glenn did to use what talent they had instead of making the players fit them

Both of them ran systems nearly identical to the other. The people who still hate on Pflu for diving right into his system are hilarious.

Would you have rather gone 8-4, losing in the first round of the playoffs in 2010 and 2011, instead of 7-4 and then 11-3? A hurt Reynolds and Selle in Bobby's offense would have been just as devastating.

That's what would have happened if Pflu hadn't overhauled everything in 2010 to get his guys ready for 2011. We did the exact same thing this year, forcing an offense with players that weren't recruited to run it, but we don't hear people bitching about it now, do we?

The fact that he got the offense to where it was at the end of the 2011 season despite being only in his second year after radically and fundamentally changing the offense is a much better testament to how good of a coach is was.

The selective history of eGrizzers is amazing. You can't condemn him for what happened off the field while still praising coaches like Hauck. That's absolutely ridiculous. Pflu isn't coming back, but to say he wasn't a great coach is laughable. We were lucky to have him.

 

[EverettGriz]

I'm just hard-pressed to call a guy who was a head coach for two years great, when one was a non-playoff year. I love the man, but to call him great? I think it's premature.

 

[George Ferguson]

Well, getgrizzy even hinting that JJ was somehow guilty of what he was accused of pretty much blows the lid off his cover with this Pflu rant he's on. Either he's somehow related to or friends with JJ's former accuser and pushing a bizarre agenda which will go nowhere, or he's just trying to be a troll. I don't care which one he is really, but I will say, and PR might know better than I, but I'm guessing someone spouting off on the internet that JJ still possibly committed a crime AFTER he was unanimously aquitted of said crime could be viewed as a textbook case of slander. Either way, those comments about JJ should be enough to get getgrizzy a time out from this board for a while.

Merry Christmas

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm just hard-pressed to call a guy who was a head coach for two years great, when one was a non-playoff year. I love the man, but to call him great? I think it's premature.

Agreed, it's tough to put him way up there after only two years, but I remember thinking after the Northern Iowa game that he was building our program into a juggernaut.

Would it have kept going? Who knows. The shit hit the fan, so we'll never know. I sure don't, but I had a good feeling that it would have.

 

[George Ferguson]

uofoman, I'm in the camp I'd ALWAYS want the Griz to make the playoffs, even if I knew they were going to get bounced in the first round, of which case there was only one season I ever KNEW that in advance and that was the trip to Western Illinois. Any Griz fan who says they would rather the Griz just not make the playoffs if they can't win it all is just weird to me. But then again, maybe I'm the weird one for thinking the first step to ever winning a national title is making the damn playoffs in the first place. Can't win one if you're not even in the field.

FTR, I will forever believe that the 2010 Griz team could have beaten many teams in the playoff field that year. Did they deserve to get in? That's debatable, and Plfu actually said he believed they were the top team on the first four out line, so whether they deserved to be in or not, they were very close to getting in at 7-4. And I don't think that team was so bad that it didn't have any chance of advancing had it been given an at-large berth.

 

[uofmman1122]

uofoman, I'm in the camp I'd ALWAYS want the Griz to make the playoffs, even if I knew they were going to get bounced in the first round, of which case there was only one season I ever KNEW that in advance and that was the trip to Western Illinois. Any Griz fan who says they would rather the Griz just not make the playoffs if they can't win it all is just weird to me. But then again, maybe I'm the weird one for thinking the first step to ever winning a national title is making the damn playoffs in the first place. Can't win one if you're not even in the field.

FTR, I will forever believe that the 2010 Griz team could have beaten many teams in the playoff field that year. Did they deserve to get in? That's debatable, and Plfu actually said he believed they were the top team on the first four out line, so whether they deserved to be in or not, they were very close to getting in at 7-4. And I don't think that team was so bad that it didn't have any chance of advancing had it been given an at-large berth.

Of course I want us to make the playoffs every year, and the 2010 team was surely capable of beating just about any team in the field. I'm just saying that putting off the easy way of slowly trying to switch the offense over was ultimately better for the team the next season.

This year was actually really similar to 2010 for me.

They both started out really hard in the beginning trying to just run the offense they wanted to run (Pflu's system in 2010 and Delaney's Pro-Style this year) without the best results. They ended up going back to what they had run more the previous season later in the year when it wasn't working (we were pretty Bobby Ball-ish towards the end of 2010, and were running a lot more of Pflu's offense at the end of this year).

I think the offense will be able to run the ball a lot better next year, and we could see a 2011-esque deep run because of it.

But that goes to the heart of why I don't get some Griz fans. We're seeing the exact same thing happen again, and the ones who criticized Pflu for forcing his offense in 2010 are the ones trumpeting this new offensive change the loudest. It's the same thing, but with different styles (and similar results :roll: ). If it wasn't good for us to force the square peg Bobby-Ball players we had into the round hole of Pflu's offense, then how can anyone justify what we're doing now? (For the record, I think the quick and dirty route is ultimately the best way get to where you want your team to be...I just personally liked Pflu's style of offense better)

I'm one of the guys that will always feel a little sour over the firing of Pflugrad and O'Day, and we've moved on, but that doesn't mean we should let posters on here act like he's the worst thing that's happened to our program. I think that's stupid and horribly unfair to a guy that got a raw deal for sticking up for his players.

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

pflu still lost to Sam Houston, albeit an incredible comeback. no one was calling Hauck 'great' when he lost to UMass.

 

[Big Northern Griz]

I think Pflu has to prove himself as an effective coordinator before someone takes a chance at him as a HC. Prior to being HC for the Griz he had no experience being tasked with coordinating an offense and was strictly a position coach. He's a damn good position coach, but there is a big difference between that and being the head guy. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good HC for a school like ND, but his resume isn't as strong as many other coaches looking for head gigs. Many people here hold the guy in high regard and he deserves that, but I also think some are over-hyping him. His not being hired has nothing to do with the Montana dismissal, its about not proving himself to be the best man for the job yet.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

How many of you guys think Pflu ran the program into the ground?
(I don't, for the record. I think the Griz missed the playoffs in 2010 cuz Chase was injured during the last 2 games.)

Chase actually played the whole season hurt. Hurt his shoulder bad in the opening division 2 game on a touchdown. With 2 weeks go go in the season he then damaged his other shoulder too, as I was told.

The main reason it is not worth scheduling lower division opponents is there is absolutely nothing to gain and way too much to lose.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

Yet you still seem to act like you know what really happened that night. Better yet, as if it's any of your business...let it go loser, it's done and over with and justice prevailed. Oh yeah, you sound like a real POS d-bag. Go F**K yourself!!!

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

getgrizzy....my, what a perfect little person you are....

Douchebag of the year in any semblance of the definition... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

pflu still lost to Sam Houston, albeit an incredible comeback. no one was calling Hauck 'great' when he lost to UMass.

Hauck's loss to UMass was at home.