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How many of you guys think Pflu ran the program into the ground?
(I don't, for the record. I think the Griz missed the playoffs in 2010 cuz Chase was injured during the last 2 games.)
 
NLGrizFan said:
How many of you guys think Pflu ran the program into the ground?
(I don't, for the record. I think the Griz missed the playoffs in 2010 cuz Chase was injured during the last 2 games.)
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I think the Griz missed the playoff in 2010 cuz we didnt have a QB to get the job done..
 
NLGrizFan said:
How many of you guys think Pflu ran the program into the ground?
(I don't, for the record. I think the Griz missed the playoffs in 2010 cuz Chase was injured during the last 2 games.)
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Chase actually played the whole season hurt. Hurt his shoulder bad in the opening division 2 game on a touchdown. With 2 weeks go go in the season he then damaged his other shoulder too, as I was told.
 
Roper was kinda... uhmm, I can't make myself say he was bad but things coulda been better.

Injured all season? Wow, well that explains a lot more. I thought it was only the last couple games. I know one guy doesn't make the team but key players make a difference. We all know that.
 
NLGrizFan said:
How many of you guys think Pflu ran the program into the ground?
(I don't, for the record. I think the Griz missed the playoffs in 2010 cuz Chase was injured during the last 2 games.)
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I don't think you could say th program was ran into the ground, but maybe a better question to ask is (other than Alpha) who thinks the 2010 team, with 5 players who are currently on a pro roster and 6 others who were given a pro tryout or practice squad, plus 2 senior quarterbacks who had taken the team to a National Championship appearance the year before, would have gone 6-4 against FCS competition, missed the playoffs for the first time since 1992, not win a BSC championship for the first time since 1997, and lose to Montana State at home if Bobby Hauck had stayed?
 
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
 
I'm still a pretty big fan of the way BH runs a football team. Hard nosed, physical, punch em in the mouth football. Love it!!

Good call Get Em. Makes me wonder what.would have been of the 2012 team that never got blown out by more than 10 points in any game just lacked QB play. Maybe 2012 would've been "The Year" if things went as planned a year prior?
 
get'em_griz said:
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
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I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
 
Grizbeer said:
get'em_griz said:
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
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I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
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Hmmm. Food for thought. Good post. :thumb:
 
Grizbeer said:
get'em_griz said:
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
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I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
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Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".
 
EverettGriz said:
Grizbeer said:
get'em_griz said:
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
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I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
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Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".
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That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...
 
ranco said:
EverettGriz said:
Grizbeer said:
get'em_griz said:
The reason 2010 was a terrible season was mostly because Plfugrad was implementing a whole new offensive system immediately at Montana using a lot of players that were used to running a pro-style offense. The perfect storm; new coach, new offensive system, 7-4 season. That would be a good record for a lot of teams.

I still can't help but think about how good this team would be now compared to 2011 if Pflugrad were still here. He had built in a very short amount of time a machine that was almost impossible to stop.
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I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
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Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".
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That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...
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True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.
 
Ranco, Auburn pretty much ran the exact system the Griz ran in 2010 and won the national title. They are running an even faster version of it this season and are in the national title game.
 
NLGrizFan said:
ranco said:
EverettGriz said:
Grizbeer said:
I think we all might remember 2011 as being better than it was. Might want to go back and read the game day thread for the Western Oregon (DII) game. Remember in 2011 Pflugrad lost to Sac State for the first time ever also. The unstoppable force lasted exactly 3 games - Montana State, Central Arkansas and Northern Iowa. 2012 with Pflugrad in charge and without Smith, Breske and Johnson looks a lot like 2010 (maybe 1 more win than Delaney eked out).
Click to expand...

Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".
Click to expand...

That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...
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True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.
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the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.
 
My New Year's resolution is to put getgrizzy on my foe list and not let his idiotic posts piss me off anymore.
 
getgrizzy said:
NLGrizFan said:
ranco said:
EverettGriz said:
Griz fans are notorious in their selective thinking. Many posters on here refuse to believe that we even had a team within 35 points of us in the late 90s, say nothing about forgetting the 8-5 first round loss seasons.

I think Robin is a solid coach, one who certainly had the team playing well the last 3 or 4 weeks of the year. But I agree; I was at the Western Oregon game and I wasn't saying such appreciative things about his offense that day. I'll simply say that if I had to grade him, I'd probably have to give him an "Incomplete".
Click to expand...

That's a pretty fair grade. Pflu's coaching prowess is way over hyped on this site. While I am one of his biggest defenders - he never should have been fired - I don't think his offensive scheme would have ever produced a national championship, as it has never produced one at this level or at the FBS level. A good coach, yes. A great coach? remains to be seen...
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True. Just look a Weber this past season. He was on top of the totem pole but still... I'm not blaming him for their lack of success but its gotta start somewhere.
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the simple fact of the matter is the only good (on the field) season he had was 2011, but it wasn't his offense, it was the defense and he played a very small role there.
his first team couldn't make the playoffs after back-to-back national runner-up finishes. the first time we didn't make it in around 25 years. his second team, led by a great defense that included two n.f.l. draft picks, had five games, a b.s.c. title and playoff appearance wiped out in large part due to his failure to oversee the football program adequately. the team he left behind went 5-6, our first losing season in almost 30 years and is now on probation for the next three years. wow, yeah, he's great! we need to find another coach just like him!!

that's his record w/o the sugar-coating. fortunately delaney's running the show now. huge difference on the police blotter, w-l column, and program image. delaney is a model in what you want in a college football coach. if pflu was still here we'd probably end up with a 3 year playoff ban on top of everything else. amazing that people don't see what a complete failure he is. he took a program that had some off-field issues, but had been to back-to-back finals and drove it straight off a cliff.

people try to credit him for bringing in j.j. lost in j.j.'s not guilty verdict is the fact that at best he made a really poor decision to take advantage of a girl that he had known for at least a year and appeared to want a serious relationship with him. despite that he used her for sex. at best, because no one knows what really happened that night. the b.m.o.c. and he had to resort to that to get laid. a real quality recruit.

oh, i almost forgot. merry christmas pflugrad fans.
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Wow. Really? You are the just as big of an attention whore as the shut that was luring Jordy into bed was. She is/was a broken person that wanted so much attention that she went to the exteme of wanting to date the star QB, found out that he wasn't interested, didn't wanna look like fool so screamed rape therefor bringing her back to the center of attention again. She is a whole, and now you are the fool. If you didn't notice, this thread is about Pflu, not JJ, attention whore. Are you jealous that she got more attention than you or some shit? Dafuq is wrong with you? You will now be refered to as getkitty. Merry Christmas, fool.
 
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