Pflu: "...team knows the president made a mistake"

[Fahque]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

 

[uofmman1122]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

 

[grizfan95]

"OVER? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I don't think so."

The sad reality is that there are a lot of injustices that persist. The guilty work really hard to put them in the rearview mirror and get down the road as far as possible. The only way more information comes out that makes any difference is if it is in a court of law. Otherwise the turds will remain buried -- but reek nonetheless.

Forget it, he's rolling.

 

[Griz2k]

Great, 7 years of college down the drain.

 

[Grisly Fan]

"OVER? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I don't think so."

The sad reality is that there are a lot of injustices that persist. The guilty work really hard to put them in the rearview mirror and get down the road as far as possible. The only way more information comes out that makes any difference is if it is in a court of law. Otherwise the turds will remain buried -- but reek nonetheless.

Forget it, he's rolling.

Interesting factoid (to me anyway), as Flounder and Pinto (as they would eventually be known) approached Delta House there is a light in the upper story window and that was my father-in-law's room when he was in the Phi Sigma Kappa frat at UO. (He actually stood up in the theater and shouted "That's my room") And as art often imitates life, he was kicked out of school for poor grades. My mother-in-law's brother (RIP) who also attended UO was a good friend of Phil Knight and an attorney for Nike for a while in the early days.

 

[KFBR392]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

This.

In how many ways did he basically say that in the article? I have no doubt in my mind.

 

[kurtismichael]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

 

[uofmman1122]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

I sent him an email, and he basically told me that in his response. :|

 

[kurtismichael]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

I sent him an email, and he basically told me that in his response. :|

Yeah, I emailed Obama and he said his healthcare rollout would be flawless.

 

[stubbins]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

Fuck! Bad day, dude?

 

[uofmman1122]

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

I sent him an email, and he basically told me that in his response. :|

Yeah, I emailed Obama and he said his healthcare rollout would be flawless.

So...

Are you saying I'm lying, or Pflu is lying? :roll:

 

[kurtismichael]

Pflugrad wanted to make this his final stop as a coach but would he even want to come back now considering all that has happened?

I know for a fact he'd come back if he had a chance.

What are you his wife? I'm getting sick of posters on here claiming to know stuff. And you all call Alpha an attention whore.

f***! Bad day, dude?

Pretty much Stubby I think I'll quit now and jump on over to that "Pledge" thread. Guess so much B.S. Has been shoveled here the last few days I'm seeing brown. I'd ask uofmmann to show us this alledged email but I'll just get the, "Robin asked me to keep it confidential" line. I'll respond with, "why are you divulging the contents on a message board than?" He'll respond with some insult and than PR will jump in and point out none if us every played the game. Time to drink I think!

Sorry no offense uofmmann but these type of claims are a dime a dozen on here, if he really emailed you that than great. Carry on.

arty:

 

[Griznationalist]

"He envisioned his Grizzlies winning a national championship. If not in 2012, then surely in 2013."

“Did he [Engstrom] do the right thing? Obviously I don’t think so. As much correspondence as I have with that football team, I know to this day they don’t think so. They think he made a big mistake. You know that’s what keeps me going, is knowing that team knows the president made a mistake. That’s what keeps me fired up every day.”

“I saw him do things that I thought Dave Dickenson did,” the coach said, referring to Montana’s most beloved QB, who played in the 1990s. “I thought this guy can win a national championship. I’m proud of what he has done and overcome. I’m proud to be associated with him."

“And obviously I’ve always supported him,” he added, referring to a 2012 comment he made after Johnson was accused of a crime for which he was found not guilty. “ ... Part of coaching is to develop our players on and off the field, not just to dismiss them. We can’t just recruit a guy and then if a couple things come up, well are we just going to get rid of every player if there’s a blemish along the way? I think that’s a coach’s job to develop, not dismiss.”

“Whether it’s a friend, Quarterback Club member, a faculty member at the University of Montana, a business owner downtown, someone all the way across the state, they’ve all said, ‘Coach, don’t ever forget, this is your football team.’ When I hear that over and over, sure it brings back some tremendous memories.”

"Many of the current Griz were recruited by the coach and his staff, including quarterback Jordan Johnson and wide receiver Ellis Henderson."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/pflugrad-left-part-of-his-heart-at-montana/article_9633c734-4da8-11e3-944e-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Concluding an 18-month investigation into the UM football program on Friday, the NCAA found that former head coach Robin Pflugrad failed to monitor the football program, allowing boosters to provide extra benefits, including bail money and legal representation, to players."

"The investigation also found the football team had exceeded its coaching limits and that two former players, cornerback Trumaine Johnson and backup quarterback Gerald Kemp, competed while ineligible."

"The NCAA handed down sanctions against the UM football program, along with separate penalties to Pflugrad, who now coaches at Weber State."

 

[griz4life]

Allowed boosters to provide bail money? Wasn't Kemp bailed out in the middle of the night with the help of another student's parents?
Don't get me wrong, I think Kemp shoud have sat it out until his initial appearance roughly 30 hours after his arrest. A 20 year old man shouldn't be so delicate.
It seems unlikely Pflu knew any thing about the incident. He was almost certainly in bed. Seems like a stretch to say Pflu allowed this to happen.

 

[GrizRanger]

Pflugrad did nothing worthy of justifying his firing. Engstrom fired Pflugrad for defending JJ’s character, after JJ was inappropriately accused of rape. Engstrom did not believe in that time honored American principle of “innocence until proven guilty.” I think Engstrom was trying to cover his own butt and deflect attention from his own failures and incompetence (e.g., letting the Saudi foreign student rapist escape punishment).

Most college sports fans know that the NCAA is a controlling overbearing organization that has lost contact with reality. When the NCAA decides to investigate a program you know they are going to come up with violations, no matter how petty to justify their investigation. The NCAA does not believe in innocence. They have so many ridiculous rules that every program is guilty.

I Googled Ridiculous NCAA sanctions and hit on a motherlode of NCAA violation idiocy (see a few pasted below).

“The 10 dumbest penalties in modern NCAA history”
http://www.aarontorres-sports.com/articles/miscellaneous/the-10-dumbest-penalties-in-modern-ncaa-history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The NCAA's 5 Most Beyond Ridiculous Recruiting Bylaws “
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1212475-the-ncaas-5-most-beyond-ridiculous-recruiting-bylaws" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The Stupidest N.C.A.A. Rule”
http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/the-stupidest-n-c-a-a-rule/?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Washing Car with University Water Can Result in NCAA Violation”
http://fansided.com/2013/05/30/car-washing-ncaa-violation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The Most Ridiculous NCAA Violations Thread”
http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/65155-the-most-ridiculous-ncaa-violations-thread/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Latest college scandals again reveal folly of NCAA rules”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--latest-college-scandals-again-reveal-folly-of-ncaa-rules-210822795.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

etc. etc. ………………………….

 

[Griznationalist]

Falsely accused by NCAA???????

 

[grizchamp]

I actually thought the Saudi student thing was going to backfire on him more than it did.

It backFIRED badly on a few others though............

Such as Mehrdad Kia, former Provost of the International Studies Program. The guy is leading an anti Engstrom charge right now. He organized an "outrage meeting" last week for students and faculty over the budget cuts. About 50 people showed up. I wasn't there but was told the press was the majority. not much was reported.

Kia is the finest professor at UM. At least in terms of the ones I am familiar with and/or have had classes from. Also a guy of pretty solid integrity. He alone leading a charge like this would lead me to believe Engstrom is a total ass hat, without all the other miserable news regarding the president.

 

[PlayerRep]

"He envisioned his Grizzlies winning a national championship. If not in 2012, then surely in 2013."

“Did he [Engstrom] do the right thing? Obviously I don’t think so. As much correspondence as I have with that football team, I know to this day they don’t think so. They think he made a big mistake. You know that’s what keeps me going, is knowing that team knows the president made a mistake. That’s what keeps me fired up every day.”

“I saw him do things that I thought Dave Dickenson did,” the coach said, referring to Montana’s most beloved QB, who played in the 1990s. “I thought this guy can win a national championship. I’m proud of what he has done and overcome. I’m proud to be associated with him."

“And obviously I’ve always supported him,” he added, referring to a 2012 comment he made after Johnson was accused of a crime for which he was found not guilty. “ ... Part of coaching is to develop our players on and off the field, not just to dismiss them. We can’t just recruit a guy and then if a couple things come up, well are we just going to get rid of every player if there’s a blemish along the way? I think that’s a coach’s job to develop, not dismiss.”

“Whether it’s a friend, Quarterback Club member, a faculty member at the University of Montana, a business owner downtown, someone all the way across the state, they’ve all said, ‘Coach, don’t ever forget, this is your football team.’ When I hear that over and over, sure it brings back some tremendous memories.”

"Many of the current Griz were recruited by the coach and his staff, including quarterback Jordan Johnson and wide receiver Ellis Henderson."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/pflugrad-left-part-of-his-heart-at-montana/article_9633c734-4da8-11e3-944e-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Concluding an 18-month investigation into the UM football program on Friday, the NCAA found that former head coach Robin Pflugrad failed to monitor the football program, allowing boosters to provide extra benefits, including bail money and legal representation, to players."

"The investigation also found the football team had exceeded its coaching limits and that two former players, cornerback Trumaine Johnson and backup quarterback Gerald Kemp, competed while ineligible."

"The NCAA handed down sanctions against the UM football program, along with separate penalties to Pflugrad, who now coaches at Weber State."

But none of this was true. It was merely what Engstrom agreed to.

Pflu didn't even know or know of any "booster" who provided a "benefit", except that he knew a player's mom who put up $320 for one week for bail (but didn't know she was a booster), and knew a lawyer in the firm who may or may not have provided free legal services to players. Where as UM's compliance officer? It's not the coach's job to do compliance.

As for coaching limits, a kid who worked in the video room and who never played college football anywhere, was deemed to be an extra "coach". The ncaa has got to be kidding. The kid is the one who referred the taser guys to his mom to represent him, and must have gotten asked some questions about what he did for UM football. He answered honestly. I'm telling you, this kid never got close to being a coach. Total BS by the ncaa.

Kemp/Tru competed while ineligible only because the mom put up $320 for a week, and the ncaa decided, contrary to MT legal practice, that not charging for the initial aspects of evaluating and setting up a contingency fee civil case was providing free legal fees and an extra benefit. Total BS.

 

[Griznationalist]

NCAA is lying?

 

[PlayerRep]

NCAA is lying?

Yes, as they frequently do.