Pflu: "...team knows the president made a mistake"

[signedbewildered]

"What kind of tool? A hammer that's tough and cool, a screw driver, awful useful. A drill, really helpful. Quick think of a demeaning one. I will time you...go."


A: Toilet Plunger

Next....

 

[Grizzoola]

Why pay big dollars to listen to third-rate lecturers when you can be teleconferenced in to lectures by the top educators in just about any academic field imaginable? That's the direction we're heading, and if you think UM's modest enrollment declines are a big deal, you aren't prepared for what's coming. Welcome to the Information Age.

this viewpoint doesn't take into account the biggest problem associated with distance learning that doesn't occur to the same level in the traditional model: students dropping out. a lot of online courses have huge (90%+) dropout rates. this isn't because they are harder or less interesting than more traditional courses, but rather because face-to-face interactions tend to increase the level of accountability for both the students and instructors.

This is true; B&M w/ live instructors, investment, and consistent, enforced accountabilty, will always be the norm. Not to mention participating in college life, being part of a learning environment.

This idea of education in one's home, in isolation, is fraught with a student's immaturity and lack of discipline. No wonder 90% drop out of online courses. In some ways, it's a scam on those desiring a higher ed. degree. Getting a degree, certificate, etc., in anything requires more than sitting at a terminal. At some point live attendance is needed. It's the best way most humans learn.

We all need pressure. It can come from ourselves or others, but 90% seem to need pressure from others. That's why online ed. will never replace or even compete with live education.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, Plfu's comments about Jordan's character and leadership onfield and off were issued in press release by the SID. The Missoulian certainly received a copy, but other people did, too. I did.
I don't want to quibble. I do think it's worth clarifying the source because Pflu's comments weren't made off the cuff to a journo. They were made to someone in athletics, written up and disseminated. Big difference.

There is no such press release on the athletic department website. Here's a link to the archives. http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/mont-m-footbl-spec-rel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As you will see, the only release is for the scrimmage and is dated March 24, 2012, the date of the scrimmage.

The Missoulian article by Neighbors, with the Pflu quotes, was posted online at 3pm on March 25 (Sunday). See link. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-qb-returns-on-approval-of-athletic-conduct-team/article_889a590e-763f-11e1-a02d-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Missoulian article on the scrimmage is also linked below. I see that I was wrong on JJ's passing. He threw only 1 pass in this Saturday scrimmage. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-sharp-in-upbeat-scrimmage/article_017edc2e-763f-11e1-9e9c-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[mcg]

Here's the deal. A guy made a decision to stand up for a kid that he had known most of his life. He didn't consider the political implications or if he did, he didn't worry about them. He stood up for the kid. Maybe some of you geniuses and second guessers will need someone to stand up for you some day. Nobody is immune to false witness. Perhaps they will stand up for you or perhaps they will keep their mouths shut to keep the status quo.

Doing what you feel is right is no guarantee of a positive outcome especially in today's political climate. There are many venal, corrupt and incompetent people who will do anything to save their own bacon or advance their agendas.

I hope Robin got a chance to spend some time with some of his old friends and ex=players while he was here. And when the time comes to step through the door into the next phase of eternity I suspect he will have no regrets about this decision at all. Hopefully the rest of us will be able to say the same.

Great post thanks.

The thing that might cost RE his job is declining enrollment and budget. It's the proverbial job 1 for university presidents.

 

[Griznationalist]

This thread smells like a bunch of 40-year-old guys still wearing high school letter jackets. Sad.

 

[griz4life]

This thread smells like a bunch of 40-year-old guys still wearing high school letter jackets. Sad.

You know who wears a letter jacket to Griz games? Royce Engstrom! And yes it is pretty sad.

 

[Griznationalist]

This thread smells like a bunch of 40-year-old guys still wearing high school letter jackets. Sad.

You know who wears a letter jacket to Griz games? Royce Engstrom! And yes it is pretty sad.

Then if he's stuck in reverse maybe he needs the same advice: Darn it, Royce, let go of the past and enjoy what Haslam, Delaney, the whole athletic department, all coaches, staff, and the dedicated student athletes are accomplishing. A wise coach once said past glory is like last week's laundry -- sure, we could put it on, but it just wouldn't smell right.

 

[grizare#1]

Watched Robin on the field prior to the game during warmups and he was constantly having someone from the staff or Griz nation giving him hugs and thumbs up signs. At one point he just gave the stadium a 360deg look and you could just see it on his face that it hurt allot to be in that stadium on the other side of the field. Personally I feel he got screwed as did O'Day but that is all water under the bridge.

 

[UMGriz75]

Darn it, Royce, let go of the past and enjoy ...

"In early October, a former Montana State University student filed a lawsuit against the school alleging that she and other women had been sexually assaulted and harassed by a former music professor.

"One week earlier, MSU suspended two fraternities over allegations that their members had sexually assaulted two women."

"Readers somehow missed the word “State” in the stories out of Bozeman, and given UM’s recent struggle to address its handling of sexual assault reports, some concluded that the attacks had occurred, yet again, at UM.

"At a University Council meeting last week, one faculty member brought this up, saying he was tired of UM being linked to every sexual assault case on every other college campus." --Missoulian, November 9, 2103

"The University of Montana has found a way to cover a $3 million budget shortfall during the fall semester without impacting academic instruction or student support.

"However, Reid and UM Provost Perry Brown say covering the $3 million shortfall the university expects it will face for the spring semester probably won't come as easy." -- Missoulian, November 7, 2103

"UM faculty members decry 'destruction' of liberal arts through cuts." -- Missoulian, November 14, 2014

"UM Leadership has clearly lost its way

"Academics and athletics are hardly ever joined at the hip, but at the University of Montana they share space under the same dark cloud of across-the-board budget cuts caused by the dramatic drop in enrollment over the past two semesters. More than 1,200 students, with the possibility of another 1,000 less for the upcoming fall semester ...". Missoulian July 18, 2013

"A projected $5.7 million budget deficit at the University of Montana, created by a decrease in student enrollment, means the athletic department at the Big Sky Conference school is going to feel a little pinch." Missoulian, November 27, 2012

"UM has 'enrollment problem,' Engstrom tells regents" -- Missoulian, September 19, 2013

Darn it, Royce, let go of the past and enjoy ...

 

[AZGrizFan]

"What kind of tool? A hammer that's tough and cool, a screw driver, awful useful. A drill, really helpful. Quick think of a demeaning one. I will time you...go."


A: Toilet Plunger

Next....

Oh sure. Demean the poor toilet plunger...right up until you NEED one. :twisted:

 

[GrizRanger]

There are many venal, corrupt and incompetent people who will do anything to save their own bacon or advance their agendas.

Engstrom to a tee.

 

[griz4life]

Actually, Plfu's comments about Jordan's character and leadership onfield and off were issued in press release by the SID. The Missoulian certainly received a copy, but other people did, too. I did.
I don't want to quibble. I do think it's worth clarifying the source because Pflu's comments weren't made off the cuff to a journo. They were made to someone in athletics, written up and disseminated. Big difference.

There is no such press release on the athletic department website. Here's a link to the archives. http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/mont-m-footbl-spec-rel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As you will see, the only release is for the scrimmage and is dated March 24, 2012, the date of the scrimmage.

The Missoulian article by Neighbors, with the Pflu quotes, was posted online at 3pm on March 25 (Sunday). See link. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-qb-returns-on-approval-of-athletic-conduct-team/article_889a590e-763f-11e1-a02d-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Missoulian article on the scrimmage is also linked below. I see that I was wrong on JJ's passing. He threw only 1 pass in this Saturday scrimmage. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-sharp-in-upbeat-scrimmage/article_017edc2e-763f-11e1-9e9c-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

makes me laugh that you of all people--a guy who has gone as far as having his past posts removed from egriz--would suggest something never existed on the Internet because it can presently be found.
I'm pretty sure that press release was removed about the time Pflu and O'Day were.
like I said, I'm not going to quibble. believe whatever you want.

 

[UMGriz75]

The woman's Oct. 11 lawsuit alleges the university negligently hired, retained and supervised Shuichi Komiyama, Bozeman Daily Chronicle (http://bit.ly/19f8PKH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) reported. He was required to register as a sex offender because he pleaded guilty in California to having sex with a 14-year-old girl when he was 25.

She alleges MSU showed deliberate indifference in hiring Komiyama without inquiring about any criminal past and that school officials knew or should have known about his relationship with students and failed to stop it. The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages.

"Komiyama's conduct continued unabated although the misdeeds were well known to faculty," wrote the woman's attorney, Geoffrey Angel of Bozeman.

The woman alleges Komiyama invited several female students to drink alcohol and share his hotel room during a school-sanctioned conference in Missoula during the 2010-11 school year. The lawsuit alleges he invited students to his house and served them alcohol and that in late October 2010 he raped her at her residence.

The woman complained to the school in the spring of 2011 and an internal investigation found Komiyama provided alcohol to underage students and had sexual relationships with students, holding power over them by threatening to withdraw scholarships or instruction time.

The MSU investigation also found an allegation that Komiyama made inappropriate advances to a high school student. http://www.havredailynews.com/story/2013/10/18/state-news/ex-montana-state-student-sues-school-over-sex-assault/2002.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note that the "events" described here are contemporaneous with those that brought far more publicity at UM, at MSU involved a faculty member, involved allegations of multiple rapes, use of the faculty position to groom students, use of University facilities enabled the abuse, there were multiple occurrences over a considerable period of time, the faculty member used University funded trips to entrap female students, that other faculty was "well aware" of his behaviors, MSU hired him despite the fact that he was a registered sex offender in California (didn't register in Montana), that his spree included "inappropriate advances" to a high school student, and that an unusual time period passed between the last rape and the report of the incident.

Engstrom: Very public independent outside investigation. Engstrom was going to show his "leadership." Investigation didn't find much.
Cruzado: confidential internal investigation that confirmed the worst

Engstrom: Violent sexual assaults by Saudi student, handled by getting him out of town; no justice for victims. Press release: "maybe for the best."
Cruzado: Confidential request to professor to resign

Engstrom: Public firings of Coach and AD. Engstrom was going to show his "leadership."
Cruzado: No actions taken against officials who hired and supervised professor; Music Department Chair unscathed.

Engstrom: Criminal charges filed; very public trial
Cruzado: No criminal charges filed. No publicity.

Engstrom: Athlete vindicated
Cruzado: Professor not vindicated. MSU paid confidential settlement to victim

Engstrom: DOJ thinks UM doesn't "handle" complaints well; Engstrom shows his "leadership" by folding like a fan in a hurricane, and sells out student rights.
Cruzado: No DOJ. No press releases. No charges. No apologies.

Engstrom: Catastrophic declines in enrollment and budgets. Engstrom shows his "leadership" by announcing to the Board of Regents that its all because of "an enrollment problem."
Cruzado: Growing enrollments, prosperity, Cats still lose.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, Plfu's comments about Jordan's character and leadership onfield and off were issued in press release by the SID. The Missoulian certainly received a copy, but other people did, too. I did.
I don't want to quibble. I do think it's worth clarifying the source because Pflu's comments weren't made off the cuff to a journo. They were made to someone in athletics, written up and disseminated. Big difference.

There is no such press release on the athletic department website. Here's a link to the archives. http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/mont-m-footbl-spec-rel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As you will see, the only release is for the scrimmage and is dated March 24, 2012, the date of the scrimmage.

The Missoulian article by Neighbors, with the Pflu quotes, was posted online at 3pm on March 25 (Sunday). See link. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-qb-returns-on-approval-of-athletic-conduct-team/article_889a590e-763f-11e1-a02d-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Missoulian article on the scrimmage is also linked below. I see that I was wrong on JJ's passing. He threw only 1 pass in this Saturday scrimmage. http://missoulian.com/college/griz/grizzlies-sharp-in-upbeat-scrimmage/article_017edc2e-763f-11e1-9e9c-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

makes me laugh that you of all people--a guy who has gone as far as having his past posts removed from egriz--would suggest something never existed on the Internet because it can presently be found.
I'm pretty sure that press release was removed about the time Pflu and O'Day were.
like I said, I'm not going to quibble. believe whatever you want.

Looks the press release never existed. There would have been no reason to remove it. You and your memory are mistaken.

 

[tnt]

Considering that Pflu and JOD were far from the only "resignation," "firing," "retirement," or "demotion" in the whole thing, I wouldn't put it down to a single incident.

While the comparison UM75 brought out is accurate, I hope he isn't suggesting the incidents (real or perceived) are in any way comparable. A lot is left out including a Hometown paper using its muscle to drive a major "scandal" A temporary BOR using all of his political muscle to push the same scandal on a national level with multiple NYT articles, among other national media, or Department of Justice bent on yet another political agenda.