Oregon: We Need To Do More Than Show Up !!!

[braves84]

Let's play Kansas, Minnesota, Colorado State, Kansas State, Iowa State and Iowa instead of Oregon.

This! To compare these teams with a 15-ranked Oregon (who many still think will win the PAC 12 and before they lost to Auburn was in the discussion for a playoff team) to these other teams that some powerful FCS squeaked by with an upset is silly. This isn’t your mama’s Oregon team, this is the real deal Holyfield. They have arguably the best offensive lines in the entire country and now one of the top defenses. I’m not kidding when I say if the Griz only give up 55 or less and then score somewhere between 10-14 it will super impressive!

I’m sorry but to expect anything else here is just setting yourself up to be absolutely disappointed. Have fun, stay healthy, compete, come home with 650k.

Iowa's football team was a preseason #15 ranked team coming off a 12-2 2015 season they finished 8-5 and 2nd in their division for 2016.
Kansas State was coming off an 11-2 season in 2012. ndsu beat them in 2013 they too finished with a 8-5 record and a Alamo bowl bid.
Before announcing Oregon world beaters based on preseason hype is foolish. , Their past 5 years records prove their good not great 42-24.

 

[YttriumGriz39]

https://scoopduck.com/s/3561/five-players-to-know-montana-offense

The picture says it all

 

[jodcon]

https://scoopduck.com/s/3561/five-players-to-know-montana-offense

The picture says it all

Maybe they'll concentrate on stopping the fly sweep? We need every advantage we can get.

 

[Ursus1]

Have to remember to pick up the check for playing.

 

[grizindabox]

Have to remember to pick up the check for playing.

Check? It is all about venmo.

 

[casewinter13]

Cal-Davis gave their big brother in Berkley all they could handle, losing something like 27-14 two weeks ago, and Eastern's two recent upset 1A wins were over Pac-12 schools, AZ, so I must respectfully disagree.

Apples to cheeseburgers, man. Wilcox has turned Cal into a very respectable team who's solid defensively. They're still not great on offense though. Oregon is lightyears ahead of them offensively. And guess how most blowouts occur... That's right, by scoring a shitload more points than your opponent. Oregon would destroy UC Davis too because they can score. There's nothing anyone in the big sky can do to prevent Oregon from getting 50+ this year. FCS either, except likely NDSU and maybe JMU

 

[Raider]

Cal-Davis gave their big brother in Berkley all they could handle, losing something like 27-14 two weeks ago, and Eastern's two recent upset 1A wins were over Pac-12 schools, AZ, so I must respectfully disagree.

I don't think the occasional upset (that occurs about as frequently as Haley's Comet) is worth the tradeoff. I'd rather play another FCS game that counts--even a "gimmie" like UNA or Monmouth. We have a 12-game season, need 8 wins to get into the playoffs, and we're essentially "wasting" one of the weeks. I don't like it. Especially when we make essentially the same money on a home game as we do in these bodybag games.

AZ, I think you are missing some of the point here. It's not "an occasional upset that occurs about as frequently as Haleys comet". That is just factually incorrect. Look at NDSU in their last 5 FBS games. I believe they are 4-1 or 5-0. EWU has competed very well against the Pac12, sneaking in a couple of wins and having some very close loses.

Now, I understand that Oregon (this year) is a little different than playing Minnesota or Kansas State. I get that. None-the-less, the fact remains that UM has not shown well in "play up" games compared to other schools like NDSU and EWU. They just haven't. It's been a blowout, take your paycheck and hope nobody gets hurt. It's hard to argue with if you look at the facts.

That said, I do agree with you that I would rather have another FCS game.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Look at NDSU in their last 5 FBS games. I believe they are 4-1 or 5-0.

6-0, against these teams:

Kansas, Minnesota, Colorado State, Kansas State, Iowa State and Iowa - all the teams I'd rather the Griz played than Oregon this weekend! :lol:

 

[grizpsych]

If you don't think playing and occasionally beating FBS teams gives you a better chance to land high quality recruits, you are crazy.

 

[kemajic]

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It's an interesting discussion. If UM goes to Oregon, should they go in guns blazing completely opening up the offensive and defensive playbooks knowing full well they are putting everything they have on film for future opponents? Or do they go to Oregon, take in the experience, play vanilla, not give future opponents a look at the full playbook, and be happy to leave with a big paycheck?

That is a great post, and definitely food for thought. :thumb:

Here's an alternative: Play vanilla, except ... trot out a selection of trick plays that you probably have no intention of ever using again. (Despite some weirdness against Northern Alabama, trickeration is not really in Bobby's DNA.) That will give future opponents some extra food for thought.

Amazing how many OC's we have here.

 

[kemajic]

Look at NDSU in their last 5 FBS games. I believe they are 4-1 or 5-0.

6-0, against these teams:

Kansas, Minnesota, Colorado State, Kansas State, Iowa State and Iowa - all the teams I'd rather the Griz played than Oregon this weekend! :lol:

We do more recruiting in OR than all you list combined. Plus UO came up with the money ($650,000); except for Iowa in '06, I doubt the others have. We need to make as much on a road trip as we would a cupcake at home. The exception was for our neighbor Wyoming where we got $400,000.

 

[CatzWillRise]

It's easy to look around and see the FCS elite competing well with FBS teams, even ranked teams now and again.

I have two examples showing a win doesn't mean you'll have a good season, and a loss doesn't mean you'll have a bad one.

#1, JMU won the NC in 2016. They played North Carolina in week 3, and yes they did come out of the gates on fire and built a 21-14 first quarter lead, but were outscored 35-7 the rest of the way out in a 28-56 loss. That was a pretty good UNC team, granted, but JMU was elite that year and still got blown out by a decent FBS team.

#2, JMU again - 2010 - beats #13 Virginia Tech in Week 2, at the time the only other FCS over a ranked FBS win ever (App/Michigan the only other) but the season was derailed by injuries, they finished 6-5 and missed the playoffs.

Ideally yes you compete, even sometimes win these games but there is precedence that a big win, or big loss doesn't a season make.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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It's an interesting discussion. If UM goes to Oregon, should they go in guns blazing completely opening up the offensive and defensive playbooks knowing full well they are putting everything they have on film for future opponents? Or do they go to Oregon, take in the experience, play vanilla, not give future opponents a look at the full playbook, and be happy to leave with a big paycheck?

That is a great post, and definitely food for thought. :thumb:

Here's an alternative: Play vanilla, except ... trot out a selection of trick plays that you probably have no intention of ever using again. (Despite some weirdness against Northern Alabama, trickeration is not really in Bobby's DNA.) That will give future opponents some extra food for thought.

Amazing how many OC's we have here.

Hey, give us (me, anyway) a break. I meant my comment strictly tongue-in-cheek ... hence the emoji.

IMO, Hauck and his staff are too competitive to not devise a game plan that gives them the best chance to win (or they would not be in the business). I have absolutely no idea what that might entail, but "first principles" says it will involve trying to maximize the Griz's strengths and minimize their weaknesses. And that's usually about matchups, where none of us have enough information to do more than guess.

 

[kemajic]

Cal-Davis gave their big brother in Berkley all they could handle, losing something like 27-14 two weeks ago, and Eastern's two recent upset 1A wins were over Pac-12 schools, AZ, so I must respectfully disagree.

I don't think the occasional upset (that occurs about as frequently as Haley's Comet) is worth the tradeoff. I'd rather play another FCS game that counts--even a "gimmie" like UNA or Monmouth. We have a 12-game season, need 8 wins to get into the playoffs, and we're essentially "wasting" one of the weeks. I don't like it. Especially when we make essentially the same money on a home game as we do in these bodybag games.

So lets generate the reputation that we are afraid to play challenging OOC games and instead manipulate our schedules to avoid difficulty. Proud!

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Cal-Davis gave their big brother in Berkley all they could handle, losing something like 27-14 two weeks ago, and Eastern's two recent upset 1A wins were over Pac-12 schools, AZ, so I must respectfully disagree.

I don't think the occasional upset (that occurs about as frequently as Haley's Comet) is worth the tradeoff. I'd rather play another FCS game that counts--even a "gimmie" like UNA or Monmouth. We have a 12-game season, need 8 wins to get into the playoffs, and we're essentially "wasting" one of the weeks. I don't like it. Especially when we make essentially the same money on a home game as we do in these bodybag games.

So lets generate the reputation that we are afraid to play challenging OOC games and instead manipulate our schedules to avoid difficulty. Proud!

There's challenging and then there's pretty much impossible. Yes the elite teams can play up and sometimes win, and hopefully someday soon the Griz will be an elite team again but we just aren't there yet and this Oregon game will prove it.

 

[poorgriz]

That is a great post, and definitely food for thought. :thumb:

Here's an alternative: Play vanilla, except ... trot out a selection of trick plays that you probably have no intention of ever using again. (Despite some weirdness against Northern Alabama, trickeration is not really in Bobby's DNA.) That will give future opponents some extra food for thought.

Amazing how many OC's we have here.

Hey, give us (me, anyway) a break. I meant my comment strictly tongue-in-cheek ... hence the emoji.

IMO, Hauck and his staff are too competitive to not devise a game plan that gives them the best chance to win (or they would not be in the business). I have absolutely no idea what that might entail, but "first principles" says it will involve trying to maximize the Griz's strengths and minimize their weaknesses. And that's usually about matchups, where none of us have enough information to do more than guess.

Yes, but there are literally zero areas between these two teams where Oregon doesn't win the matchup. Similar to what the Cats saw at TT.

 

[billingsgriz]

Guys, we are all living in NDSU's world in FCS, and the Bison don't squat to pee and they ain't afraid of playing up--they actually look forward to playing their FBS neighbors in The Big 10 and Big 12, and as Raider noted, they have had a lot of recent success playing and upsetting 1A's from the Big 10 and Big 12.

And as kemajic noted, we recruit a lot in Oregon (and Washington and California). If we want to get back to the promised land, we need a solid, strong and stable staff, good, effective Montana and regional recruiting, a proud winning history both on the field, in the classroom, and in Montana in general and Missoula specifically, and excellent facilities--Wa-GRIZ, our academic center, and the Washington Champion's Center. We are checking the box or close to checking the box on all of the above.

And like App State before NDSU and the Mountaineers' historic upset over Michigan, and Eastern, which has reigned supreme in The Big Sky for most of the last decade, another key is not to be afraid of our own shadow and also play up against a Pac-12 or Mountain West team once a year: our wallets, our recruiting and winning culture, especially when we pull the upset, will only be helped, much more so than staying at home to mercilessly pound a Savannah State, which impresses no one, especially the FCS Playoff Committee !!!

 

[uofmman1122]

Here's an alternative: Play vanilla, except ... trot out a selection of trick plays that you probably have no intention of ever using again. (Despite some weirdness against Northern Alabama, trickeration is not really in Bobby's DNA.) That will give future opponents some extra food for thought.

Amazing how many OC's we have here.

Hey, give us (me, anyway) a break. I meant my comment strictly tongue-in-cheek ... hence the emoji.

IMO, Hauck and his staff are too competitive to not devise a game plan that gives them the best chance to win (or they would not be in the business). I have absolutely no idea what that might entail, but "first principles" says it will involve trying to maximize the Griz's strengths and minimize their weaknesses. And that's usually about matchups, where none of us have enough information to do more than guess.

Yes, but there are literally zero areas between these two teams where Oregon doesn't win the matchup. Similar to what the Cats saw at TT.

We have the premier long snapper in all of college football, and if you can think of someone who's better, you're wrong. Ain't nobody got nothin' on OD.

 

[Spanky2]

You are wasting your time Billings. The majority of the so called fans on this board only support the Griz against teams they know we can beat.Should the Griz upset Oregon, all of them will be quick to post how they knew we would win. What a group of losers for fans!

 

[Htowngriz]

You are wasting your time Billings. The majority of the so called fans on this board only support the Griz against teams they know we can beat.Should the Griz upset Oregon, all of them will be quick to post how they knew we would win. What a group of losers for fans!

Yeah, good call. All the Griz fans who are spending money traveling to Euguene are doing it just to root against the Griz.