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[AZDoc]

Every other head coach after Coach Read, until Stitt, has had a connection and understanding of Montana and specifically Montana football. I still don’t think Stitt had a clue what he was getting himself into and the expectations from the majority of the fans here. There are many of us that saw first hand the Metamorphosis of the program from bad to become a National power. Now we know and feel it slipping away. Stitt has proven thus far to be a nice guy and a mediocre coach. At this point he certainly doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that he will get us back to a national power and consistent Top 5 Team. I truely wish he would prove me wrong.

It didn't "slip away". It was ripped away in 2012. Four HC's in six years will do that to a program. Loss of schollies will do that to a program.

Agreed. Listen, I'm on the Stitt bus, for multiple reasons. Some are football related and yes, some are personal. But I also can't imagine him being here after another 6-5 season. I really feel 7-4 gets him an extension. I think there are good things coming. I also think changes need to be made at some coaching positions. It is getting just ridiculous to come on here and it's all about: Stitt bashing, Whether they're going to go 1-2 or 0-3 the last 3 games, how much the cats like him as a coach, if throwing left handed will take 3 quarters to get used to or if its just the other team letting off the gas. I mean really.
I love good discussion on here, but honestly do not understand what drives people to be a douche on a message board. Really that's enjoyable? Even azz clowns on here have good points at times, which, if they weren't said azz clown, would lead to good discussion. I just want the Griz to win every week. I want the kids to get better, and work toward something special the next few years. They win at least 9 games next year if Stitt stays. If you are truly objective and watch the kids play, you can see what they have going. If you have an agenda, you can't/won't/ask for "proof"/don't want to hear it.
I'm watching Saturday, doing the usual screaming, throwing stuff, and hoping for a big win. If not, I'll do the same next week...and the week after. GO GRIZ!

 

[TCCGRIZ]

You don't have to participate in this thread if you choose. Since it asks for posters to stand up and be counted, it is no surprise that an individual with an agenda would find a way to defer.

Sweet, I have an agenda! Outside of being overly positive about everything what's that?

I bet it's to get a few more clients interested in homes in the Missoula area...yeah, that's it!

Got to be.

So who is Cuba Gooding and who is Tom Cruise
#showmethe money

 

[garizzalies]

The keep-Stitt-but-fire-DC/ST bullshit is DAF to me, unless there is a known commodity out there that will mesh with this staff and strategy. Forcing a DC on Stitt has already proven to be a disaster. What makes you think it would work this time? Pure speculation. I agree they gotta go, but I could speculate that subbing in some new guys may even be worse. It makes no sense to me, particularly coming from the “stability” crowd. It’s almost the same as starting over, so why half-ass it? I can’t think of a single instance (based on performance, not discipline) in all of CFB where the admin mettled in staffing and it worked. Usually when an employer thinks they know what’s best and gives an employee an ultimatum, it backfires

Interesting. Pure speculation, but the "new guy" who replaces Stitt may even be worse as well.

Coaches hire and fire position coaches and coordinators all the time. They don't perform, get hired away, promoted to HC somewhere else, etc., etc. Nobody is saying to "force" a DC on Stitt....but acknowledging that Semore hasn't cut the mustard and getting rid of him would be a huge step for Stitt, IMHO.

You just contradicted yourself. In your first post above, you essentially said the AD should tell Stitt to get a new DC or be fired. If that’s not “forc[ing] a DC on Stitt” I don’t know what is

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

 

[CatzWillRise]

I was also thinking that to myself - is there something in the Stitt offense that makes QBs vulnerable, or is it just pure bad luck?

I'd be curious to know if it was an issue at School of Mines or wherever he's from (honestly don't remember).

 

[mcg]

Every other head coach after Coach Read, until Stitt, has had a connection and understanding of Montana and specifically Montana football. I still don’t think Stitt had a clue what he was getting himself into and the expectations from the majority of the fans here. There are many of us that saw first hand the Metamorphosis of the program from bad to become a National power. Now we know and feel it slipping away. Stitt has proven thus far to be a nice guy and a mediocre coach. At this point he certainly doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that he will get us back to a national power and consistent Top 5 Team. I truely wish he would prove me wrong.

It didn't "slip away". It was ripped away in 2012. Four HC's in six years will do that to a program. Loss of schollies will do that to a program.

Agreed. Listen, I'm on the Stitt bus, for multiple reasons. Some are football related and yes, some are personal. But I also can't imagine him being here after another 6-5 season. I really feel 7-4 gets him an extension. I think there are good things coming. I also think changes need to be made at some coaching positions. It is getting just ridiculous to come on here and it's all about: Stitt bashing, Whether they're going to go 1-2 or 0-3 the last 3 games, how much the cats like him as a coach, if throwing left handed will take 3 quarters to get used to or if its just the other team letting off the gas. I mean really.
I love good discussion on here, but honestly do not understand what drives people to be a douche on a message board. Really that's enjoyable? Even azz clowns on here have good points at times, which, if they weren't said azz clown, would lead to good discussion. I just want the Griz to win every week. I want the kids to get better, and work toward something special the next few years. They win at least 9 games next year if Stitt stays. If you are truly objective and watch the kids play, you can see what they have going. If you have an agenda, you can't/won't/ask for "proof"/don't want to hear it.
I'm watching Saturday, doing the usual screaming, throwing stuff, and hoping for a big win. If not, I'll do the same next week...and the week after. GO GRIZ!

Perfect doc thanks. Really now is the time to get behind the Griz. In a few weeks Kent and all of us will have to deal with whatever the reality is, but right now I'm just a fan who wants my team to play well and win.

 

[AZDoc]

I was also thinking that to myself - is there something in the Stitt offense that makes QBs vulnerable, or is it just pure bad luck?

I'd be curious to know if it was an issue at School of Mines or wherever he's from (honestly don't remember).

I don't think so. He has a mobile QB not a running QB. Brady was a statue but injured his ankle on a sack I believe. Same with Chalich and Phillips...all sacks I think. GJ hit his head. I think it's bad luck. I think he only had 1 year where he lost a starter for more than a game, as someone brought that up some time ago (I think when Brady got hurt).

 

[AZGrizFan]

Interesting. Pure speculation, but the "new guy" who replaces Stitt may even be worse as well.

Coaches hire and fire position coaches and coordinators all the time. They don't perform, get hired away, promoted to HC somewhere else, etc., etc. Nobody is saying to "force" a DC on Stitt....but acknowledging that Semore hasn't cut the mustard and getting rid of him would be a huge step for Stitt, IMHO.

You just contradicted yourself. In your first post above, you essentially said the AD should tell Stitt to get a new DC or be fired. If that’s not “forc[ing] a DC on Stitt” I don’t know what is

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

 

[HookedonGriz]

You just contradicted yourself. In your first post above, you essentially said the AD should tell Stitt to get a new DC or be fired. If that’s not “forc[ing] a DC on Stitt” I don’t know what is

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

I agree with what you just said. I mean I think I could go out there and coordinate right now and give up 500 and 30. There really isn't much worse someone could do. You'd almost have to try to do worse to accomplish it.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Someone should really start a thread about the end of season record and who should be fired and retained. You're welcome.

Don’t worry I’m sure whitefishbear has 4 or 5 more in the hopper for us

AKA your best bud Growler...100 percent

Haha, seems like it. Timing fits as does the narrative.

Not to mention syntax and word/phrase/subject repetition. Mentioned this a couple days ago...

Busted once again :lol:

I propose a contest in which posters make random or educated guesses as to how many screen names he's had across all known message boards. We'll call it the Growler Alias Guessing Game (GAGG)

Say we set the over/under at 26?
I'll start: over; 31

 

[garizzalies]

You just contradicted yourself. In your first post above, you essentially said the AD should tell Stitt to get a new DC or be fired. If that’s not “forc[ing] a DC on Stitt” I don’t know what is

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

No, it can get worse—that’s the whole point. This is Stitt’s guy. They have a history and at least can be in the same room together. If the AD forces him to get someone new, that’s not guaranteed and could set us back another year/term. I don’t think good DCs that can mesh with Stitt’s personality, scheme, etc, grow on trees. That’s why I think if you start down that road you should have a name or two in mind
I think they’re a package deal

 

[Spanky]

The problem seems to be that Stitt doesn’t manage the entire program. His focus is on the offense and he doesn’t seem to be aware of the defense or special teams.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

No, it can get worse—that’s the whole point. This is Stitt’s guy. They have a history and at least can be in the same room together. If the AD forces him to get someone new, that’s not guaranteed and could set us back another year/term. I don’t think good DCs that can mesh with Stitt’s personality, scheme, etc, grow on trees. That’s why I think if you start down that road you should have a name or two in mind
I think they’re a package deal

Well even a new package can get worse. Nothing is guaranteed. Best laid plans and all that...

 

[whitefishbear]

I refuse to "jump shit".

Apparently Justin Strong isn't afraid to..... :twisted:

 

[grizare#1]

If UM is 6-5 with loss to Cats, Haslam will be in a tough position. Will be feeling the heat from alums and supporters. A one year extension would look a bit funny and perhaps not be well-received by the coach. Assume 7-4 is an easier decision. If Haslam wants to keep Stitt, I suppose he has the QB injuries to point to. And, there is no doubt that the QB injuries have made it tougher for the team to win, in my view.

That is something that has been on my mind a great deal and I wanted to start a discussion on. We have seen the Griz have to play a 3rd string QB every single year that Stitt has been here. So for 3 years straight, Stitt has had to start a 3rd string QB (if Jensen is out Saturday).
Zee
My assumption is you'd be hard-pressed to find anything like that across the FCS and maybe FBS. So my bigger question is, is it an absolute fluke? is it just bad luck? or is there something with his offensive scheme that leads to these quarterbacks getting hurt? It just seems crazy to me.

I think they have been just bad luck to fluke injuries, nothing that has to do with Stitt

 

['68griz]

If UM is 6-5 with loss to Cats, Haslam will be in a tough position. Will be feeling the heat from alums and supporters. A one year extension would look a bit funny and perhaps not be well-received by the coach. Assume 7-4 is an easier decision. If Haslam wants to keep Stitt, I suppose he has the QB injuries to point to. And, there is no doubt that the QB injuries have made it tougher for the team to win, in my view.

That is something that has been on my mind a great deal and I wanted to start a discussion on. We have seen the Griz have to play a 3rd string QB every single year that Stitt has been here. So for 3 years straight, Stitt has had to start a 3rd string QB (if Jensen is out Saturday).
Zee
My assumption is you'd be hard-pressed to find anything like that across the FCS and maybe FBS. So my bigger question is, is it an absolute fluke? is it just bad luck? or is there something with his offensive scheme that leads to these quarterbacks getting hurt? It just seems crazy to me.

I think they have been just bad luck to fluke injuries, nothing that has to do with Stitt

That I totally agree with.

 

[i_the_sky]

Well put my thoughs exactly! There are alot of great coachs out their, Bobby Hauck and Jerome Saurers to name two.. Just never, never, never Ty Gregorak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "JUST DO IT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

Every other head coach after Coach Read, until Stitt, has had a connection and understanding of Montana and specifically Montana football. I still don’t think Stitt had a clue what he was getting himself into and the expectations from the majority of the fans here. There are many of us that saw first hand the Metamorphosis of the program from bad to become a National power. Now we know and feel it slipping away. Stitt has proven thus far to be a nice guy and a mediocre coach. At this point he certainly doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that he will get us back to a national power and consistent Top 5 Team. I truely wish he would prove me wrong.

It didn't "slip away". It was ripped away in 2012. Four HC's in six years will do that to a program. Loss of schollies will do that to a program.

Agreed. Listen, I'm on the Stitt bus, for multiple reasons. Some are football related and yes, some are personal. But I also can't imagine him being here after another 6-5 season. I really feel 7-4 gets him an extension. I think there are good things coming. I also think changes need to be made at some coaching positions. It is getting just ridiculous to come on here and it's all about: Stitt bashing, Whether they're going to go 1-2 or 0-3 the last 3 games, how much the cats like him as a coach, if throwing left handed will take 3 quarters to get used to or if its just the other team letting off the gas. I mean really.
I love good discussion on here, but honestly do not understand what drives people to be a douche on a message board. Really that's enjoyable? Even azz clowns on here have good points at times, which, if they weren't said azz clown, would lead to good discussion. I just want the Griz to win every week. I want the kids to get better, and work toward something special the next few years. They win at least 9 games next year if Stitt stays. If you are truly objective and watch the kids play, you can see what they have going. If you have an agenda, you can't/won't/ask for "proof"/don't want to hear it.
I'm watching Saturday, doing the usual screaming, throwing stuff, and hoping for a big win. If not, I'll do the same next week...and the week after. GO GRIZ!

Good post. I like your posts. I agree with most of what you said. Nevertheless, I don't see the basis for the below statement of yours. This is what is being discussed now on egriz and in Griz Nation. A lot of people disagree with what you said.

"They win at least 9 games next year if Stitt stays."

I can see multiple seemingly good things going on now with the program. I can see some things that weren't so good, and know other smaller things that weren't and aren't good.

How do you know UM will win 9 games next year? Why didn't UM win 9 games this season? Why did UM collapse last season, lose 3 of 4 at the end, and lose badly to the Cats?

Again, I like Stitt and the coaches. I can't imagine that they aren't good coaches. Why is it taking so long?

 

[PlayerRep]

You just contradicted yourself. In your first post above, you essentially said the AD should tell Stitt to get a new DC or be fired. If that’s not “forc[ing] a DC on Stitt” I don’t know what is

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

Why do you think a new coach is "starting over"? It was wasn't from Read to Dennehy? From Dennehy to Glenn. From Glenn to Hauck. From Hauck to Pflugrad. From Pflu to Delaney. While I don't know why those transitions went well, or at least didn't take more than a season, I do note that each was a transition to a coach with significant connections to Griz Nation. To me, with a strong program with good tradition, the transition should never been "starting over". If Haslam hired Stitt to start over, then Haslam made a huge mistake and doesn't understand football or Griz Nation.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I interpreted your statement to mean that Haslam was forcing a PARTICULAR DC onto Stitt...

What I’m saying is that forcing a new DC is going to cause more problems than fixes and likely set us back even further than simply starting over entirely. Both of us are speculating but I at least have a basis for my theory: such metteling did not work with TG. What makes you think it will work this time? The only assurance I can think of is if there was a known DC willing to adopt Stitt’s unique approach. But you’re advocating to just fire the DC and figure it out later. That sounds worse to me and worse than a restart

Starting over completely on both sides of the ball is infinitely worse in my opinion than one side of the ball (the side that's failing). I mean, what's the worst that could happen? A new guy comes in here and his defense gives up 500 yards and 30 points a game? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Much like TG did in Bozoland, a new guy would be taking over a situation where there's almost nowhere to go but UP.

Why do you think a new coach is "starting over"? It was wasn't from Read to Dennehy? From Dennehy to Glenn. From Glenn to Hauck. From Hauck to Pflugrad. From Pflu to Delaney. While I don't know why those transitions went well, or at least didn't take more than a season, I do note that each was a transition to a coach with significant connections to Griz Nation. To me, with a strong program with good tradition, the transition should never been "starting over". If Haslam hired Stitt to start over, then Haslam made a huge mistake and doesn't understand football or Griz Nation.

Starting over as in Stitt's system differs dramatically from Dennehy's and required a complete overhaul of the roster....

 

[snap]

Bodnar is coming in and didn't hire Haslam or Stitt (or anyone else). Might be a factor.