OFFICIAL FIRE DELANEY THREAD

[rimrockgriz]

Getting back to the original thread... If Delaney wins another 2-3 games and makes the playoffs he'll get another year out of rolls royce. (don't give me the a.d. shit) If he gets to the playoffs and wins a game or two... expect another 2 year deal, if he "wants it". This is I.M.H.O. not exactly what I want to happen. Doesn't all of this weigh "HEAVY" on his RETIREMENT...??? :egriz:

 

[AZGrizFan]

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

If dynasties are built on NC's, then there's only one dynasty right now in FCS football.

Dynasty might not have been the right word, but name the team, if not Montana, who has been at, on or near the top in the last 20 years. UM is the one, hands down.

That's kind of the point I was attempting to make. Only ONE team can win the NC each year....NOT winning it doesn't mean the dynasty is over. In fact, going 5-6 one year doesn't mean the dynasty is over. Now, if we go 1-3 over the last 4, end the year at 7-5 and miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years I think you could officially stick a fork in our "dynasty". Minue that though, I think it rolls on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Getting back to the original thread... If Delaney wins another 2-3 games and makes the playoffs he'll get another year out of rolls royce. (don't give me the a.d. shit) If he gets to the playoffs and wins a game or two... expect another 2 year deal, if he "wants it". This is I.M.H.O. not exactly what I want to happen. Doesn't all of this weigh "HEAVY" on his RETIREMENT...??? :egriz:

Hilarious that we could want to chase off a coach who gets to the playoffs and wins games. This is like deja vu all over again. :? :?

 

[Walkon79]

Royce Engstrom would not allow any shitty coach to be fired. He is banking on UM Football falling to ashes so he can mold it into what he wishes.

UM will lose a couple more this year IMO. We will still have a winning overall season though. No playoffs though.

Expect Delaney to stay as long as the old man wishes. Its really the entire coaching staff that needs to get their act together.

The last year of witch hunts and hatred spewed at UM Football really does have a cost. It will take years for this program to recover fully. I have to admit I was unrealistic in thinking this team had any chance for a deep playoff run much less a NC run with this coaching staff.

You guys are much closer the the going's on in the admin building than I am, but I do have an observation about the president. He spoke at UM Days two Friday's ago, following a video presentation that featured UM athletics very prominently. I guess I didn't see that Engstrom was trying to kill a program. Just the opposite in that the staff and administration were heavily promoting athletics as part of the "college experience".

Just my 2 cents.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

 

[PlayerRep]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

 

[ranco]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

But Ash wins a lot of games as head coach, something Delaney has never done. Unless the Griz go win-less over the next 4 games, Delaney will not be fired. Given the circumstances under which he came in, I think the only way he leaves (absent a total face plant this year) is if he decides to retire.

 

[Canyoncat]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

For being "very uninspiring and lacks personality" he seems to have very good recruiting classes every year. :roll:

 

[mcg]

Let's take a practical look at firing Coach Delany. Assume the Griz go 2-2 in the next four games and finish 8-4. I think that this is a reasonable worst case scenario. If you fire the coach you've got three practical problems in terms of hiring a new coach.

First, UM only pays about pays about 60% of market pay for football coaches, thus it will be hard to assemble a good pool of candidates.

Second, in my opinion the assistant coaching staff doesn't have an obvious candidate.

Third, any candidates that are discovered are all going to say something to the effect "8-4 get's the coach fired, no thanks".

So, I think Coach D will be our coach next year.

 

[IzzyGriz]

Please get new coaches before we lose our recruitment options. If we keep watching the ridiculous plays like we've been seeing, we will lose our fans and recruitment. I've talked to many, many people who feel the same way. I love our Griz but would sure like to see a new coach with interesting plays.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Let's take a practical look at firing Coach Delany. Assume the Griz go 2-2 in the next four games and finish 8-4. I think that this is a reasonable worst case scenario. If you fire the coach you've got three practical problems in terms of hiring a new coach.

First, UM only pays about pays about 60% of market pay for football coaches, thus it will be hard to assemble a good pool of candidates.

Second, in my opinion the assistant coaching staff doesn't have an obvious candidate.

Third, any candidates that are discovered are all going to say something to the effect "8-4 get's the coach fired, no thanks".

So, I think Coach D will be our coach next year.

Im not saying Delaney should be fired, I just don't think hes what we need for our immediate future, he was a Band-Aid for the program. And again 8-4 shouldn't be acceptable to top tier programs like UM.

 

[poorgriz]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

For being "very uninspiring and lacks personality" he seems to have very good recruiting classes every year. :roll:

Keep in mind... everything that PR says, especially about Bobcat Football, needs to be taken with a shaker of salt. After all, he's the one that said our QB, "The Irish Lad", was a pussy. :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

This post is spot on, the day we begin to be OK with not having the best coach in the Big Sky is the day we might as well move over and let MSU or EWU take the reigns and dominate for the next 20 years. Delany gots to goooooo. He gotsta gooooooo. Think of it from a 17-18 yr olds viewpoint. MD, Bauldwin, and Ash come to your house to recruit you. Who are you going pick and trust that the next 5 years of your football career are going to be everything you dreamed it would be. Probably NOT the one whos your grandpas age.

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

For being "very uninspiring and lacks personality" he seems to have very good recruiting classes every year. :roll:

Keep in mind... everything that PR says, especially about Bobcat Football, needs to be taken with a shaker of salt. After all, he's the one that said our QB, "The Irish Lad", was a pussy. :roll:

Just for the record, the comments on Ash come from former MSU players who know Ash, including one who played for Ash.

My comment on McGhee may be the most positive post on him ever made on egriz by a UM poster. It was in response to a Cat poster saying that MSU planned to have McGhee run more this year. Here it it:

"Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock."

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Delaney did a good job righting a listing ship. I do not think the future of the program is in good hands with MD based on his age alone. We need a coach that is younger and has their future in front of them and not a coach encouraged out of retirement to help out.
I remember the cats were calling for Ash's head for a long time after he was first hired. Then McGhee showed up and won a few games and now they are ready to crown Ash the King of Bozangeles. McGhee graduates this year and they have no successor to him in terms of talent and team leadership. It'll really be interesting to see how they handle Ash after the cats return to mid conference performance.

 

[Grizzoola]

I do have an observation about the president. He spoke at UM Days two Friday's ago, following a video presentation that featured UM athletics very prominently. I guess I didn't see that Engstrom was trying to kill a program. Just the opposite in that the staff and administration were heavily promoting athletics as part of the "college experience". Just my 2 cents.

Any president who doesn't realize what a great marketing tool a winning football program is for his/her school is stupid to deemphasize its football team. Gordon Gee, when pres. of U of CO, had winning teams, went to Ohio State & brought OS to where it is, now. Football puts the school on the map, better than any other marketing program.

Dennison knew this. I'm sure MSU Pres. Cruzado knows this. That's why MSU is where it is, now. I do not know Engstrom's position on the value of Griz football to the school. I believe he had to do something to clean up the program. One of the faults of a pres. who builds a football program for the top spot is bringing in players & coaches who bend the rules too much. I believe Gee had to retire at OS, due to problems in the football program during his tenure. Dennison retired at the right time. Engstrom had to do the dirty work.

I hope Engstrom is committed to keeping Griz football as not only a winning team, but a championship team. The test may be whether he can produce a championship team w/o headlines in the Missoulian of players & coaches appearing on police blotters. Cruzado seems to be doing ok. Nick Saban, too.

 

[poorgriz]

Delaney is apparently good with kids and liked by recruits, as well as their parents. Ash is very uninspiring and lacks personality, I am told.

For being "very uninspiring and lacks personality" he seems to have very good recruiting classes every year. :roll:

Keep in mind... everything that PR says, especially about Bobcat Football, needs to be taken with a shaker of salt. After all, he's the one that said our QB, "The Irish Lad", was a pussy. :roll:

Just for the record, the comments on Ash come from former MSU players who know Ash, including one who played for Ash.

My comment on McGhee may be the most positive post on him ever made on egriz by a UM poster. It was in response to a Cat poster saying that MSU planned to have McGhee run more this year. Here it it:

"Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock."

Actually, I would call that the definition of a thinly veiled comment. That would be like someone saying… “I think PR was a good player, he was always good at breaking up passes. However, I also always thought that he was a bit of a pussy. I don’t mean that as a knock on him whatsoever, because many corner backs are.” So if someone said that about you would you feel all warm and fuzzy about it and thank them for the compliment?

As for Ash… I could give a rip about what an ex or current player said to someone about his coaching style. I would say that roughly 95% of the college coaches from the beginning of time have players that either didn’t like them or didn’t agree with their coaching style. As long as Ash continues to attract the highest character, talented players, and keep instilling a winning attitude, that works for me.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

PR has been using that comment about Ash since he was hired or his first couple years at least. While probably true, I would bet it came from players that got recruited by Kramer. I'll also say that it would be hard to find 100% of any team that like 100% of their coach.

 

[Grizzoola]

Delaney did a good job righting a listing ship. I do not think the future of the program is in good hands with MD based on his age alone. We need a coach that is younger and has their future in front of them and not a coach encouraged out of retirement to help out.

I agree. MD got the Griz thru hard times, but he's not going to be here beyond 1 or 2 years. We need a younger guy, w/ proven experience (maybe, but not necessarily, w/ past UM experience) to get this program back to its previous level of dominating the BSC. The Griz need a guy who will be here for 5-10 years. They need a stable program, not a temporary one. They need to get back to where they were. Whatever success MD has w/ this program, he will not be here the next 5-10 years.

Engstrom & Haslam must realize their decision is this: get a new coach after this season, or let MD decide.The latter puts UM in a tough spot. So, what does UM do? Scramble around for another makeshift position? Falls back on hiring from inside? A stopgap, again?

It's over. MD has been a great mechanic. He's fixed the car. Now, it's time the Griz resume their travels.

 

[PlayerRep]

I do have an observation about the president. He spoke at UM Days two Friday's ago, following a video presentation that featured UM athletics very prominently. I guess I didn't see that Engstrom was trying to kill a program. Just the opposite in that the staff and administration were heavily promoting athletics as part of the "college experience". Just my 2 cents.

Any president who doesn't realize what a great marketing tool a winning football program is for his/her school is stupid to deemphasize its football team. Gordon Gee, when pres. of U of CO, had winning teams, went to Ohio State & brought OS to where it is, now. Football puts the school on the map, better than any other marketing program.

Dennison knew this. I'm sure MSU Pres. Cruzado knows this. That's why MSU is where it is, now. I do not know Engstrom's position on the value of Griz football to the school. I believe he had to do something to clean up the program. One of the faults of a pres. who builds a football program for the top spot is bringing in players & coaches who bend the rules too much. I believe Gee had to retire at OS, due to problems in the football program during his tenure. Dennison retired at the right time. Engstrom had to do the dirty work.

I hope Engstrom is committed to keeping Griz football as not only a winning team, but a championship team. The test may be whether he can produce a championship team w/o headlines in the Missoulian of players & coaches appearing on police blotters. Cruzado seems to be doing ok. Nick Saban, too.

I pretty much agree with you, but what, specifically, do you think Engstrom had to do to clean up the program? What, specifically, needed to be cleaned up? What, besides firing two guys, do you think he did to clean it up?

 

[PlayerRep]

For being "very uninspiring and lacks personality" he seems to have very good recruiting classes every year. :roll:

Keep in mind... everything that PR says, especially about Bobcat Football, needs to be taken with a shaker of salt. After all, he's the one that said our QB, "The Irish Lad", was a pussy. :roll:

Just for the record, the comments on Ash come from former MSU players who know Ash, including one who played for Ash.

My comment on McGhee may be the most positive post on him ever made on egriz by a UM poster. It was in response to a Cat poster saying that MSU planned to have McGhee run more this year. Here it it:

"Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock."

Actually, I would call that the definition of a thinly veiled comment. That would be like someone saying… “I think PR was a good player, he was always good at breaking up passes. However, I also always thought that he was a bit of a pussy. I don’t mean that as a knock on him whatsoever, because many corner backs are.” So if someone said that about you would you feel all warm and fuzzy about it and thank them for the compliment?

As for Ash… I could give a rip about what an ex or current player said to someone about his coaching style. I would say that roughly 95% of the college coaches from the beginning of time have players that either didn’t like them or didn’t agree with their coaching style. As long as Ash continues to attract the highest character, talented players, and keep instilling a winning attitude, that works for me.

My comment about McGhee was very positive. Most corners are not pussies. Many qb's are. Big Difference.

I said nothing about Ash coaching style.