OFFICIAL FIRE DELANEY THREAD

[GoosetownGriz]

I may be out of the loop, but where is this "Engstrom is plotting to dismantle the football program" talk coming from?

Engstrom is one of the arrogant academic nerds that resent the attention and money that football brings to the University. He wants to knock football down a few notches so it is just another program at the U.

His firing of Pflugrad and O’Day and subsequent hiring of nice old grandpa Delaney to coach the Griz are achieving his objective.

You're full of it, be glad Mick was around to keep things together during that crap storm.

amen. Do people honestly believe that the president of the university is hell bent on destroying the football team?. I can understand why some were frustrated with how Plu and Oday were let go but honest to Christ it's time to move on. Delany took over in a shit storm and stabilized the program. Is he the best head coach in Griz history? No. Is he the worst, not by a long shot. We as fans feel like we are entitled to a dominant football team year in year out but guess what fans at other schools feel the same way about their teams. There are good football teams in the BSC: EWU, Cats, Poly, Nau and the Griz. It's not RE fault it is called parity.


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[catsack]

Cats have all of your strengths and none of your weaknesses. As much as I hate to say it, my eags won't win against MSU. MSU actually has a secondary, DM is a straight up beast, the o line is cash money, daly? is leading the fcs in smoking Qbs, and their kicker knows how to kick.

EWU wins this one going away cats kickers are worse then the grizzlies , o-line is hardly money!

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

BS33, somehow that sounds appropriate, Adams is head shoulder and more better than DM is or ever was. he knows when to end a play and not throw the pick 6. Two weeks from now we'll all know this for sure.

 

[grizcountry420]

I've come to realize that our glory days are far behind us.. Our coaches are inept to make any changes especially the coach on the defensive side of the ball. Our secondary played like a bunch of pussies out there. How many times did they get beat yesterday? I lost count..

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Delaney has more football knowledge in his little finger, than the posters calling him an idiot will ever hope to know. I'll admit that the coaching wasn't great, but it wasn't awful and the play calling wasn't terrible. You have to run the ball on Eastern to win. The teams that have beat them this year have done that. You can't throw the ball every snap like some people on here ignorantly believe.

 

[garizzalies]

Okay, I will be the one to say it: HE'S TOO FU(KING OLD!!!! PERIOD.
Seriously, he thinks like an old man: Slow to decisions. No urgency. Forgetfulness. Stubornness. Low energy. Can't keep up in-game. And way to fricken conservative.
What game was it that they took a knee before halftime? This is college-fricken-football for christ sake. Conservative playcalling almost always results in a loss. The Feags almost fell for that trap yesterday.
Everybody passes their prime at some point. When do you think Delaney was in his prime? 1982 @ Western? That was 30 fricken years ago!!!
I'm sure he is a great guy and knows a ton about football but the game has passed him by. He had already accepted that fact, put himself out to pasture, but we pulled him back in.

 

[NewPapaBear]

Ignorant is as ignorant does!

Firing Delany is a ridiculous response. 99.5% of you still can't grasp the realities of what this is all about. This game we all love called "College Football" is really a for profit business.
Here are some very honest observations from a former player & business owner.

Coach Mick Delany is our CEO. This man came out of retirement to save the company that ywe are emotionally & financially invested in. He has done so with efficiently, effectiveness & tons of grace.

I realize game management has been an adventure at times...however, as the viable CEO of our football program, he has demonstrated an ability to adjust when necessary regardless to whom it puts into question.

It's easy to second guess...hell truth is...I openly & verbally second guessed the FG decision from the moment I saw the kick team assembling on 3rd down! I didn't agree with it then & I don't now.

However, there were numerous little things that when added up became big obstacles for the Griz & our faithful yesterday. At the end of the day these collective incidents were the differences between victory & defeat yesterday afternoon.

We'll I'm going to challenge Griz Nation! Many of you gave up yesterday on this team. It's more than obvious...just look at the thread I am responding too.

It all comes down to simple execution...by a group of individuals asked to come together every Saturday & expected to be flawless. This expectation is flat wrong & any of you whom feel differently should be ashamed.

Our coaching staff will continue to be evaluated daily & weekly for development & growth. Not unlike any other corporate executives with similar organizational accountability. I remain confident that Mick will continue his agendy to keep Griz Football at a ultra competitive level. To compete for conference championships, qualify for post season play & on occasion have a true National Championship run.

He will do so through the adjustments that are required within all organizations on a priority basis. The ability to adjust is within all of us. We state that the honor, passion, pride & legacy of montana football will "not be left to the timid or the weak."

Ask yourself the question...Are you amongst the timid...Are you one of the weak?

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.


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[MrTitleist]

Delaney has more football knowledge in his little finger, than the posters calling him an idiot will ever hope to know. I'll admit that the coaching wasn't great, but it wasn't awful and the play calling wasn't terrible. You have to run the ball on Eastern to win. The teams that have beat them this year have done that. You can't throw the ball every snap like some people on here ignorantly believe.

This is silly. In Eastern's two losses the teams that have beat them are run first offenses who are very good at what they do. Toledo, an FBS team, already has a 1000 yard back and rank 8th in FBS in rushing. Sam Houston, who rarely throws the football, is probably the top rushing attack in FCS. The only time this year when SHSU hasn't rushed for more than 200 as a team is when McNeese was kicking their ass. It's not a blue print for beating Eastern, it's just that in their two losses they faced teams who are very good at their rush first offense. Also, Texas Tech throws the ball on nearly every down. They're one of the top 15 teams in college football. You can throw it a lot and be successful. When we're playing teams with bad defenses (and losing records) we can run until we're blue in the face. When we play a team with a good (not great) defense we have to throw the ball because our rushing attack simply isn't that good.

 

[putter]

Delaney has more football knowledge in his little finger, than the posters calling him an idiot will ever hope to know. I'll admit that the coaching wasn't great, but it wasn't awful and the play calling wasn't terrible. You have to run the ball on Eastern to win. The teams that have beat them this year have done that. You can't throw the ball every snap like some people on here ignorantly believe.

This is silly. In Eastern's two losses the teams that have beat them are run first offenses who are very good at what they do. Toledo, an FBS team, already has a 1000 yard back and rank 8th in FBS in rushing. Sam Houston, who rarely throws the football, is probably the top rushing attack in FCS. The only time this year when SHSU hasn't rushed for more than 200 as a team is when McNeese was kicking their ass. It's not a blue print for beating Eastern, it's just that in their two losses they faced teams who are very good at their rush first offense. Also, Texas Tech throws the ball on nearly every down. They're one of the top 15 teams in college football. You can throw it a lot and be successful. When we're playing teams with bad defenses (and losing records) we can run until we're blue in the face. When we play a team with a good (not great) defense we have to throw the ball because our rushing attack simply isn't that good.

and the sad thing is we have 2 of the best back combinations we have ever had and cant run

 

[ranco]

Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.
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[PlayerRep]

Okay, I will be the one to say it: HE'S TOO FU(KING OLD!!!! PERIOD.
Seriously, he thinks like an old man: Slow to decisions. No urgency. Forgetfulness. Stubornness. Low energy. Can't keep up in-game. And way to fricken conservative.
What game was it that they took a knee before halftime? This is college-fricken-football for christ sake. Conservative playcalling almost always results in a loss. The Feags almost fell for that trap yesterday.
Everybody passes their prime at some point. When do you think Delaney was in his prime? 1982 @ Western? That was 30 fricken years ago!!!
I'm sure he is a great guy and knows a ton about football but the game has passed him by. He had already accepted that fact, put himself out to pasture, but we pulled him back in.

I will the one to say, again, that you don't understand the game of football. Low energy? You obviously haven't been around him in the recent years. Actually, remarkably high energy.

 

[PlayerRep]

UM is also a run-first team. They want to establish the run and then mix in play-action pass. The opponents are now starting to wait for and defend the roll out aspect of play-action pass. JJ often has a d-end waiting for him, so he can't set up or look for the receivers.

 

[garizzalies]

Okay, I will be the one to say it: HE'S TOO FU(KING OLD!!!! PERIOD.
Seriously, he thinks like an old man: Slow to decisions. No urgency. Forgetfulness. Stubornness. Low energy. Can't keep up in-game. And way to fricken conservative.
What game was it that they took a knee before halftime? This is college-fricken-football for christ sake. Conservative playcalling almost always results in a loss. The Feags almost fell for that trap yesterday.
Everybody passes their prime at some point. When do you think Delaney was in his prime? 1982 @ Western? That was 30 fricken years ago!!!
I'm sure he is a great guy and knows a ton about football but the game has passed him by. He had already accepted that fact, put himself out to pasture, but we pulled him back in.

I will the one to say, again, that you don't understand the game of football. Low energy? You obviously haven't been around him in the recent years. Actually, remarkably high energy.

You mean, for his age?
He was playing checkers while Baldwin was playing chess.
The "game of football" is not the same as it was just 5 years ago, let alone 10-25 years. It's way more dynamic and schematic and dependent upon targeting matchups.
Boobyball, on the other hand, is a dinosaur that never really should have lived in the first place

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Delaney has more football knowledge in his little finger, than the posters calling him an idiot will ever hope to know. I'll admit that the coaching wasn't great, but it wasn't awful and the play calling wasn't terrible. You have to run the ball on Eastern to win. The teams that have beat them this year have done that. You can't throw the ball every snap like some people on here ignorantly believe.

This is silly. In Eastern's two losses the teams that have beat them are run first offenses who are very good at what they do. Toledo, an FBS team, already has a 1000 yard back and rank 8th in FBS in rushing. Sam Houston, who rarely throws the football, is probably the top rushing attack in FCS. The only time this year when SHSU hasn't rushed for more than 200 as a team is when McNeese was kicking their ass. It's not a blue print for beating Eastern, it's just that in their two losses they faced teams who are very good at their rush first offense. Also, Texas Tech throws the ball on nearly every down. They're one of the top 15 teams in college football. You can throw it a lot and be successful. When we're playing teams with bad defenses (and losing records) we can run until we're blue in the face. When we play a team with a good (not great) defense we have to throw the ball because our rushing attack simply isn't that good.

Yet they beat an Oregon State team who has a high powered passing offense. You can't deny that run oriented offenses have had better success against Eastern. It's why I think they will have a very tough time against Cal Poly. It's silly to believe that just throwing the ball more is going to result in more success. In our offense, running the ball is important and it sets up our passing game. Please ask a coach or a player that is familiar with that offense and ask what their thoughts are and provide your argument.

We don't have the personnel or coaching staff to do what Texas Tech or Washington State does and I'm not sure if we'd want to. The top teams in the FBS and FCS have strong running games. If our goal is to win championships, I'm not sure if a pass heavy offense is what will get us there.

 

[garizzalies]

The issue isn't the decision TO run the ball. It's HOW and WHEN to run it.
This staff (and boobyball in general) sucks at that.

 

[Bobcatmaniac]

Fire Delaney. Whatever. He brought a calm to the storm. The college prez hates football? ya sure. Looking from the outside dennison would do ANyThinG to keep the griz on top. And he did. Delaney brings honor. As does engstrom. These kids are 18-22 yrs old. That is why I love college football. You want to whine this much go watch pro ball. The college players make mistakes but for gods sake they give it their all. Every guy on every team. Sorry you guys lost. It is not the end of the world.

 

[garizzalies]

I don't necessarily think he should be fired. I want JJ and this team to succeed and another new head coach for his senior year is probably not the best thing. They just need to pull their heads outta their asses and get with the times.

 

[OrgonGriz]

Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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