OFFICIAL FIRE DELANEY THREAD

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Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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Nope...scapegoats were fired by the royal douche...

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

I don't think Engstrom hates the football team or is making it his mission to bring down the program, I just think he is just a poor leader who has made some very poor decisions. Luckily for us, our team will be fine despite him.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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This statement is incorrect: "The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it."

The NCAA investigation started because of what the NCAA had been told, by an anonymous source, about the aftermath of the tazer incident, i.e. what turned about to be the week-long loan/payment of $320 to bail out the players, a small amount of supposedly fee legal fees, and the supposed university involvement in obtaining counsel for the players. This information had been provided by an anonymous source (which is confirmed by the NCAA report). Some people, including insiders, believe the information provided by the anonymous source came from the UM Athletic Department. It included information that could only have been known by the inside circle at the Athletic Department. The NCAA spent little time even inquiring about other legal incidents, including sexual assault allegations--let alone investigating it.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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**************
Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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This statement is incorrect: "The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it."

The NCAA investigation started because of what the NCAA had been told, by an anonymous source, about the aftermath of the tazer incident, i.e. what turned about to be the week-long loan/payment of $320 to bail out the players, a small amount of supposedly fee legal fees, and the supposed university involvement in obtaining counsel for the players. This information had been provided by an anonymous source (which is confirmed by the NCAA report). Some people, including insiders, believe the information provided by the anonymous source came from the UM Athletic Department. It included information that could only have been known by the inside circle at the Athletic Department. The NCAA spent little time even inquiring about other legal incidents, including sexual assault allegations--let alone investigating it.

I never mentioned sexual assault. I said the NCAA which was investigating because of infractions of players putting themselves in bad situations. A true statement, as you answered in your post.



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[Montanan]

Have to agree with Grady B., during the CP game, when the game plan/adjustments aren't getting it done, the coaches need to turn things over to JJ much earlier than they have.

Baldwin and team played damn good!

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Fire Delaney. Whatever. He brought a calm to the storm. The college prez hates football? ya sure. Looking from the outside dennison would do ANyThinG to keep the griz on top. And he did. Delaney brings honor. As does engstrom. These kids are 18-22 yrs old. That is why I love college football. You want to whine this much go watch pro ball. The college players make mistakes but for gods sake they give it their all. Every guy on every team. Sorry you guys lost. It is not the end of the world.

You gotta take notice when your arch rival "stands behind" your head coach. I am sure that all of the PAC-12 wasn't supportive of Pat Haden firing LK. LOL.

 

[citygriz]

delaney passed one test with me: this last recruiting class.

but montana built its dynasty, as all dynasties are built and maintained, by having not just good coaching, but superior coaching. don read was way ahead of his time. we had two turns with a defensive genius (mike breske). and bobby hauck was 47-6 in conference during his tenure, a winning percentage of nearly 90 for those of you calculacting at home.

mick delaney may have been the perfect caretaker coach to get us through a difficult time. but is there anybody on this board who feels he is superior to beau baldwin or rob ash? if not, end of dynasty.

 

[George Ferguson]

Citay, which dynasty are you referring to? The Griz haven't won a national title in 12 years now.

 

[Bobcatmaniac]

Fire Delaney. Whatever. He brought a calm to the storm. The college prez hates football? ya sure. Looking from the outside dennison would do ANyThinG to keep the griz on top. And he did. Delaney brings honor. As does engstrom. These kids are 18-22 yrs old. That is why I love college football. You want to whine this much go watch pro ball. The college players make mistakes but for gods sake they give it their all. Every guy on every team. Sorry you guys lost. It is not the end of the world.

You gotta take notice when your arch rival "stands behind" your head coach. I am sure that all of the PAC-12 wasn't supportive of Pat Haden firing LK. LOL.

I personally don't care if you fire him, keep him or whatever. Griz history is if the coach doesn't meet standards, 'fire him' recommendations abound. Or you put for sale signs in their yard. Boo your own team if they make mistakes. Ridiculous is all I can think.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Fire Delaney. Whatever. He brought a calm to the storm. The college prez hates football? ya sure. Looking from the outside dennison would do ANyThinG to keep the griz on top. And he did. Delaney brings honor. As does engstrom. These kids are 18-22 yrs old. That is why I love college football. You want to whine this much go watch pro ball. The college players make mistakes but for gods sake they give it their all. Every guy on every team. Sorry you guys lost. It is not the end of the world.

You gotta take notice when your arch rival "stands behind" your head coach. I am sure that all of the PAC-12 wasn't supportive of Pat Haden firing LK. LOL.

I personally don't care if you fire him, keep him or whatever. Griz history is if the coach doesn't meet standards, 'fire him' recommendations abound. Or you put for sale signs in their yard. Boo your own team if they make mistakes. Ridiculous is all I can think.

Outside of your take on Engstrom I think your original post was 100% spot on.

 

[griz4life]

Citay, which dynasty are you referring to? The Griz haven't won a national title in 12 years now.

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

 

[grizcountry420]

Citay, which dynasty are you referring to? The Griz haven't won a national title in 12 years now.

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

He's right though

 

[citygriz]

Citay, which dynasty are you referring to? The Griz haven't won a national title in 12 years now.

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Robsnotes4u wrote:
Food for thought.

In his first 8 years at NDSU, Coach Bohl only had one conference championship. Coaches do not change situations overnight. It takes a couple years just to get his own recruits to start playing. That is just one of the issues.

Actually delaney did change things over night. We went from a program that had not had a loosing season in dang near 30 years to a losing team. Overnight. It was a great turnaround by Coach D.

Make no mistake, he is a great guy but never has nor never will be a great head coach.

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**************
Above is True however is Bohl 70 years old?

I commend coach D for coming out of retirement to get the program inline. I know we have some scholarship reductions for the next couple years so bringing in the very best talent is so important. However that talent has to want to come to be part of your program first and foremost!
Here is my concern. I doubt coach D is thinking or planning on being at UM for say the next 5 to 7 years. He was ready to retire and that mindset still has to be with in in some regards. By coach D being in place our program is looked at in a coaching limbo so to speak. To me that type of uncertainty and the perceived decline in the program may push recruits to other programs. If I was a recruit I would much rather sign with a coach and staff that in all respects looks to be long term and if possible with a top program or program on the rise not a program with a coach looking or knowing he will be leaving and a program realistically struggling.
I personally would like for UM to either name a coach in waiting within the program. Although not sure the right person is there or to announce before the season ends that a national search would be done and if all possible a coach hired at seasons end. I believe this at least would allow recruits to see that there is a bit more stability coaching wise.

I see no real benefit to status quo here. If anything it could further lead to more decline in the program.I have said in the past this is a pivotal season for the Griz. I can only hope we can at worst have a 7-6 season and end the year with a "winning" record! 6-6 would surely not be a good way to end this season and would just show even more uncertainty.

Regardless of a winning season UM needs to make the change in coach direction again. We have good talent on hand but just need a staff that can fully get this team clicking. I have no doubt that the coordinators and other coaches with time can improve. Time however is the key word here and that's something UM does not have much of. This would all be different if this was a program used to being stellar dwellers and a 7-6 season was looked at as good. Griz nation has been to the top and will not and can not settle for less..

Coach D has truly done his part and kept the wheels on the machine. It's time to get someone in that can make the tweaks needed to get this engine in tune and pumping out the horse power it has the capability of putting out.

Another big question is if Engstrom will look at this matter as critical to UM? If Engstrom does not feel that Griz football an important part of UM, well we will be in for a long frustrating road. I don't think Engstrom is hell bent to kill UM football, but he seems to put much less importance on athletics.

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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This statement is incorrect: "The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it."

The NCAA investigation started because of what the NCAA had been told, by an anonymous source, about the aftermath of the tazer incident, i.e. what turned about to be the week-long loan/payment of $320 to bail out the players, a small amount of supposedly fee legal fees, and the supposed university involvement in obtaining counsel for the players. This information had been provided by an anonymous source (which is confirmed by the NCAA report). Some people, including insiders, believe the information provided by the anonymous source came from the UM Athletic Department. It included information that could only have been known by the inside circle at the Athletic Department. The NCAA spent little time even inquiring about other legal incidents, including sexual assault allegations--let alone investigating it.

I never mentioned sexual assault. I said the NCAA which was investigating because of infractions of players putting themselves in bad situations. A true statement, as you answered in your post.



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Okay, then please state that you were referring only to the tazer incident and nothing else. Also, please explain the the coaches weren't "correcting it".

 

[Robsnotes4u]

No, Delaney didn't. The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it. Delaney is the scapegoat for past issues.


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This statement is incorrect: "The Griz players putting themselves in bad situations along with coaches not correcting it which ultimately brought in the NCAA is what changed it."

The NCAA investigation started because of what the NCAA had been told, by an anonymous source, about the aftermath of the tazer incident, i.e. what turned about to be the week-long loan/payment of $320 to bail out the players, a small amount of supposedly fee legal fees, and the supposed university involvement in obtaining counsel for the players. This information had been provided by an anonymous source (which is confirmed by the NCAA report). Some people, including insiders, believe the information provided by the anonymous source came from the UM Athletic Department. It included information that could only have been known by the inside circle at the Athletic Department. The NCAA spent little time even inquiring about other legal incidents, including sexual assault allegations--let alone investigating it.

I never mentioned sexual assault. I said the NCAA which was investigating because of infractions of players putting themselves in bad situations. A true statement, as you answered in your post.



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Okay, then please state that you were referring only to the tazer incident and nothing else. Also, please explain the the coaches weren't "correcting it".

Whatever


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[grizcountry420]

Citay, which dynasty are you referring to? The Griz haven't won a national title in 12 years now.

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

 

[AZGrizFan]

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

If dynasties are built on NC's, then there's only one dynasty right now in FCS football.

 

[PlayerRep]

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

If dynasties are built on NC's, then there's only one dynasty right now in FCS football.

Dynasty might not have been the right word, but name the team, if not Montana, who has been at, on or near the top in the last 20 years. UM is the one, hands down.

 

[grizcountry420]

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

If dynasties are built on NC's, then there's only one dynasty right now in FCS football.

Yup.. NDSU

 

['68griz]

Been around Big Sky football much? Or the playoffs? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

He's right though

oh come on. gimme a break. the best stadium in our division, more trips to the playoffs over the past 20 years than any other team, the biggest fan base. if you can't see my point, your head is so far up ass a proctologist couldn't find it.

All I'm saying is that's its been 12 years since we've won a National Title. I don't care about the runner up games either.. Dynasty's are built upon winning championships, something we haven't done it quit some time. I know that time flies bye but damn!

And you're trying to say what?