OFFICIAL FIRE DELANEY THREAD

[tnt]

Perhaps the other solution is for MD to do some firing of his own. Either that or hire a THIRD offensive coordinator........

And maybe we could play 2 offensive lines as well.

 

[PhxGriz]

Delaney is all class, we are lucky to have him. It's not all about winning games, these student athletes have a life after football. Kids wouldn't play this hard if they don't like their coaches.

Bullshit. They would play this hard for anyone because they are competitors and winners.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Please end the pain & fire this dipshit. Our play calling is horrible. Give me Hauck or Plfugrad any day.

He doesn't call the plays sunshine, your doltishness is showing....

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Fact, you aren't as good as what you perceive you are. Quit making excuses.


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Not good as in "You should be 2-6 instead" or not good as in "Good but not NDSU good".

Neither. Everyone wants to think their team is a championship team. My perception is tied for fourth best in the BSC, and the BSC is down. Borderline playoff team.



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[Robsnotes4u]

Agreed, and PhxGriz is a Greenacres clone.

Fair enough, but why have we struggled against decent teams? My belief is we have the skills to drub mediocre teams, but when faced with any sort of quality, it is a stalemate. For that, I blame the coaches.

Tell me where I am wrong.

...and yes, I have admitted we are at a distinct advantage since we are on coach #3 in the last 4 years.

Fact, you aren't as good as what you perceive you are. Quit making excuses.


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Dude. I have to watch the game on TV and internet, so I have no clue what our problem is. I am asking those that attend the game for insight.

Does the phrase, "f*** off" mean anything to you?

Who do you hate me, EWU, the Coaches, or reality. The question of why you struggle answers itself. Doesn't mean you can't beat the Cats or get in the playoffs. People that can't come up with a reasonable statement say things like F-0ff. Be better than that. Nothing's personal. You will get up tomorrow and your life will be the same.

If you come to Fargo next year or if you play in Fargo in the playoffs I will buy you a beer and you can be ignorant in person, don't worry I'll just laugh.


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[PhxGriz]

Fair enough, but why have we struggled against decent teams? My belief is we have the skills to drub mediocre teams, but when faced with any sort of quality, it is a stalemate. For that, I blame the coaches.

Tell me where I am wrong.

...and yes, I have admitted we are at a distinct advantage since we are on coach #3 in the last 4 years.

Fact, you aren't as good as what you perceive you are. Quit making excuses.


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Dude. I have to watch the game on TV and internet, so I have no clue what our problem is. I am asking those that attend the game for insight.

Does the phrase, "f*** off" mean anything to you?

Who do you hate me, EWU, the Coaches, or reality. The question of why you struggle answers itself. Doesn't mean you can't beat the Cats or get in the playoffs. People that can't come up with a reasonable statement say things like F-0ff. Be better than that. Nothing's personal. You will get up tomorrow and your life will be the same.

If you come to Fargo next year or if you play in Fargo in the playoffs I will buy you a beer and you can be ignorant in person, don't worry I'll just laugh.


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Fair enough. I don't hate you, but I won't tolerate someone who snipes from the cheapseats without adding to the discussion. We have great players, just haven't been able to put it all together, and I am asking what our problem is.

 

[exsaint]

LMAO. Holtz, Saben, Rockne couldn't of beat EW today. Give it a break and get ready to coach your nfl teams on Sunday. It's pretty obvious some folks on this site didn't play anything more than Madden football during their lifetime.

 

[speth]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

No reason to blitz? Your back end couldn't cover a toilet seat let alone a decent receiver. They blitzed to put the skid mark down. Skid mark made them pay. It happens. Good QB's find ways to escape and make plays. JJ did the same thing to us in 2011 in roughly the same scenario. Blitz was the right call given the down, distance, and position on the field. It just didn't work because, as I already stated, your DB's can't cover up a turd. They stink.

Believe me, I wish you guys would have won too. It just wasn't going to happen.

 

[speth]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

No reason to blitz? Your back end couldn't cover a toilet seat let alone a decent receiver. They blitzed to put the skid mark down. Skid mark made them pay. It happens. Good QB's find ways to escape and make plays. JJ did the same thing to us in 2011 in roughly the same scenario. Blitz was the right call given the down, distance, and position on the field. It just didn't work because, as I already stated, your DB's can't cover up a turd. They stink.

Believe me, I wish you guys would have won too. It just wasn't going to happen.

I disagree, but will also say that the Cats have no chance against EWU on the road. EWU is a very good team. The Cats struggle against average teams like they did today.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

I may be out of the loop, but where is this "Engstrom is plotting to dismantle the football program" talk coming from?

My question too. Delaney was hired to restore some order and discipline. He has done that with great dignity and he. Has had a good season thus far. When did RP or BH ever beat the no 3 team in WaGriz? I thought the team did a fine job and showed great heart. But for a couple plays, that could have been a huge comeback win. Give EWU some credit - don't just blame our coaches.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Oh, and do the math on that late filed goal. We were down 10. We needed a kick and a TD +PAT to tie it up. Doesn't matter which order. It was the right call.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

No reason to blitz? Your back end couldn't cover a toilet seat let alone a decent receiver. They blitzed to put the skid mark down. Skid mark made them pay. It happens. Good QB's find ways to escape and make plays. JJ did the same thing to us in 2011 in roughly the same scenario. Blitz was the right call given the down, distance, and position on the field. It just didn't work because, as I already stated, your DB's can't cover up a turd. They stink.

Believe me, I wish you guys would have won too. It just wasn't going to happen.

I disagree, but will also say that the Cats have no chance against EWU on the road. EWU is a very good team. The Cats struggle against average teams like they did today.

If we get Gords back for that game, we'll be just fine. With Gords and Flowers on the field, we have 2 shut down corners. Greg Hardin (UND) had ZERO catches vs MSU. Daly will put skid mark down. MSU just needs to run the ball.... A lot and not shoot ourselves in the foot like we did last year. Our OL is improving each week and continues to develop and define their identity. I like our matchups vs EWU better than yours. First team to 35 wins and I'm pretty sure MSU will win by 2 scores.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

No reason to blitz? Your back end couldn't cover a toilet seat let alone a decent receiver. They blitzed to put the skid mark down. Skid mark made them pay. It happens. Good QB's find ways to escape and make plays. JJ did the same thing to us in 2011 in roughly the same scenario. Blitz was the right call given the down, distance, and position on the field. It just didn't work because, as I already stated, your DB's can't cover up a turd. They stink.

Believe me, I wish you guys would have won too. It just wasn't going to happen.

I disagree, but will also say that the Cats have no chance against EWU on the road. EWU is a very good team. The Cats struggle against average teams like they did today.

If we get Gords back for that game, we'll be just fine. With Gords and Flowers on the field, we have 2 shut down corners. Greg Hardin (UND) had ZERO catches vs MSU. Daly will put skid mark down. MSU just needs to run the ball.... A lot and not shoot ourselves in the foot like we did last year. Our OL is improving each week and continues to develop and define their identity. I like our matchups vs EWU better than yours. First team to 35 wins and I'm pretty sure MSU will win by 2 scores.

I agree with this and think the Cats will handle EWU. The road game factor isn't much of one.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

For those of you who seem to have forgotten, even though it has only been three months ago (today), here’s a brief refresher for you:

“UNIVERSITY OF MONTANA PUBLIC INFRACTIONS REPORT JULY 26, 2013 (Pages 1-2)
This case involved major infractions of NCAA legislation committed by athletics representatives and a secondary violation committed by an institutional employee, with attendant failures to monitor by the institution and the head coach. As a result, the committee concludes that the following principal penalties, most of which were self-imposed by the institution and adopted by the committee, are appropriate: three years of probation, a limit of 59 equivalency grants-in-aid in football during the 2014-15 through 2016-17 academic years, restrictions on the head coach's duties at his current employing institution, a vacation of football wins, as well as other appropriate penalties as detailed in the penalty section of this report.”

Coach Delaney inherited a mess the day he accepted the Interim Head Football Coach position at the University of Montana in late March of 2012. He knew that, as did everyone else, but he took the job anyway because he got the call. He was retired; he wasn’t seeking the job. It was unknown what the ramifications of that mess would be because the size of the mess had not yet been defined by the NCAA. He took the job anyway.

Subsequent to that, after the 2012 season, he still did not know the outcome of the NCAA investigation. He could have walked away then and basically said, “I’ve done all I can do here. I got UM through the worst part of this mess and now I am walking away and back into retirement. Good luck!” But he didn’t. He stayed on to continue to see through the recovery process for a second year. He had some turnover on his staff but he brought in or promoted replacements and moved on. His recruiting was successful in spite of everything that had been going on.

Three months ago, about sixteen months after he took the UM job on an interim basis and one year after he was named the UM Head Football Coach on a permanent basis by receiving a two year contract, he finally learned what he and the university were going to have to deal with regarding the NCAA sanctions. They are summarized above.

Did he bitch and moan about them? No. Did he say “Screw this, I’ll finish out this year because I am stuck with this mess but as soon as the season ends, I’m out of here.” No. He went back to work to try to do the best he could with the UM football program given the hand he had been dealt – three years’ probation, which began immediately, and the loss of four scholarships per year for each of the next three years starting in 2014.

In the meantime, he has been the steadying influence that was desperately needed within that program. He has righted the ship while having to continue to bail water. The off-the-field stuff has been getting better and will continue to do so. He has kept the football program not only competitive but nationally ranked. For those of you only concerned about winning games, the Griz will likely finish 3-1 or 4-0, make the playoffs and make to at least the quarterfinals. For those of you who ‘get it’, you realize what a fine job he has done since he has been the Griz football coach and therefore you realize he is the best choice to continue on in that position for the next two years, if he wants to, while the football program gets through the NCAA probationary period. At that point, most of the NCAA issues will be behind the football program (there will still be one year of reduced scholarships) and that job will be much more attractive to candidates from around the nation than it is now and will be for the next two years.

At that point, Griz Nation can collectively thank Coach Delaney for everything he did for the football program during four very difficult seasons. Unless, of course, he happens to win the national championship before then and tells all of you naysayers to kiss his ass as he walks out the door. He wouldn’t do that but he would certainly have every right to.

Someday you naysayers might (I doubt it but who knows, maybe you will) recognize everything he is doing now to help the Griz football program to be as successful as it can be during the ‘sanction era’. There’s a whole lot more to being the Head Football Coach at the University of Montana during this era than just winning games. If you don’t understand that, look to the east of Missoula about two hundred miles and see what Rob Ash has done with the MSU football program in the past several years. He was brought in to clean up their football mess and winning games was not and still is not his highest priority, yet he seems to be doing quite well in that area. His first couple or three years he was a slightly over .500 coach because he, too, was having to continue to bail water while trying to right the ship. He had much bigger issues to deal with than winning games. He got it done and Delaney will too.

Many of you seem to have conveniently forgotten about the NCAA sanctions and all of their ramifications, just because the NCAA is no longer in town. It doesn’t work that way – sorry to have to be the one to break that to you. If you have ever had a job where you inherited your predecessor’s mess, then you know, in general terms, what a thankless job that becomes – you are responsible for fixing someone else’s screw ups even though you had no hand in creating them. It’s called playing the hand you are dealt. That’s what Delaney is doing and instead of screaming for his termination, you should be thanking the man for having the guts to step into the breach and take on the challenge for the good of the university and its football program. He is doing a fine job.

This should have ended the thread. You guys don't realize just how lucky you are to have Mick. Well, some of you don't anyway. I have nothing but respect for that man. As I said before, he's the closest thing to a complete coach you've had since Don Read. Both are better men than me.

 

[George Ferguson]

I have said all season long, I do not and am now pretty convinced a lot of the in-game calls, head scratchers are not Mick's. Does the buck stop with him? You bet it does. But I know for a fact he's given Kefense and Gragg and Ty a LOT OF AUTONOMY. THAT IS A FACT. I haven't been confident with the coordinator hires from day one, and it's becaUSE I KNOW Mick lets them run the show quite a bit. Again, it's on the head coach, I'm not saying it's not. However, assistants can and should take a fall too.

BTW, Unless Vernon's arm falls off and Cooper Kupp breaks both legs before Nov. 9, MSU WILL NOT BEAT EWU. And just so you know, that is not in any way smack. I think my posts have shown I have a healthy respect for MSU and what the Cats are doing this season and in recent past seasons. But they will not shut down EWU's offense. And deep down, I think a lot of MSU fans know it. The best anyone can hope for when playing EWU is to win a bonafide shootout like Sammy did. Unless your name says Bison on the front of the jersey.

 

[grizchamp]

, just because the Both are better men than me.

That's not saying much.

To be fair I don't think anyone is arguing Delaney's nice guy or good human status. It is his ability to coach football we have a problem with.

 

[Eriul]

Quit you're fucking whining. We lost today because out secondary blows... Everyone who seemed to have forgotten that from last year is jus dumb. Is Delaney a good coach on the field? Fuck no. Is he someone who has handled our shitty situation with class and dignity? Yes. And let's be real here... The problem is the offensive coordinator an secondary coach... Stop bitching about Delaney and realize our team is a good team with obvious flaws that can be fixed but that's not Delaney that's the other coaches.

 

[BIGskyFan33]

Cats have all of your strengths and none of your weaknesses. As much as I hate to say it, my eags won't win against MSU. MSU actually has a secondary, DM is a straight up beast, the o line is cash money, daly? is leading the fcs in smoking Qbs, and their kicker knows how to kick.

 

[stubbins]

I agree that it was a poor coaching job today. The worst call was when we blitzed on the play at the end of the first half when Eastern had the ball with about 30 seconds left, third down and very long near midfield and no time outs and they scored a TD on a pass play. There was no reason to blitz and I assume that was the d coordinator's call. The field goal attempt late in the fourth quarter was also a bad decision. If we had a good kicker, then maybe it would have been the right decision, but we don't have a good kicker and it was a tough kick (on hashmark 39 yards out) and it was fourth and 1. The head coach and coordinators did not look good today.

No reason to blitz? Your back end couldn't cover a toilet seat let alone a decent receiver. They blitzed to put the skid mark down. Skid mark made them pay. It happens. Good QB's find ways to escape and make plays. JJ did the same thing to us in 2011 in roughly the same scenario. Blitz was the right call given the down, distance, and position on the field. It just didn't work because, as I already stated, your DB's can't cover up a turd. They stink.

Believe me, I wish you guys would have won too. It just wasn't going to happen.

I disagree, but will also say that the Cats have no chance against EWU on the road. EWU is a very good team. The Cats struggle against average teams like they did today.

Scats have a 50/50 chance. Ewu is good, but if the griz weren't obsessed with running for 1 yard on first down....never mind, just don't be surprised if the scats win.