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No one knows where people are getting infected
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argh! said:CDAGRIZ said:
be careful, if he doesn't like your posts he's going to take his ball and go home, never to return to egriz.
on second thought, don't be careful
Lol. Well, some people don't like what they don't understand. That said, the initial 65+ order was big news here, but I doubt it made any headlines in places that weren't even aware of COVID being an issue back then, so I can understand his confusion.
To clarify to the board, I was just wondering if we be better/worse/same off if we were able to legally order those at risk to stay home. Sure, some would disobey the order, but I'd like to think the majority would abide by it. Heck, you can get nearly anything in the world delivered to your door within like 4 hours. Amazon Fresh is under 2 hours, and your local grocery store is probably even faster. Further, whenever there is a heat wave in the desert or extreme cold wherever, you always hear: "If you are elderly or infirm, stay indoors." Wildfires? "If you have respiratory issues, stay indoors." I know it's not a legal order, but the similarities are there.
I'm guessing we wouldn't have as many hospitalizations and deaths. We might have more asymptomatic/light symptomatic cases. I think the economy, small businesses, employment would have taken less of a hit because those who drive the economy would have been allowed to work/stay open. Who knows?
Spanky2 said:
Sure. I think they are something like 15-17% of the workforce. I'm fairly confident that greater than 0% of them could WFH. Maybe it's more like: Many can stay home, some can't. And hey, I think the vast majority are eligible for SS. I think it could be less invasive and less damaging as whole than shutting everything down again.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/
zootownrox said:
It's "contact" tracing smart guy!
"Republicans want to kill Americans?"
I wear my mask, practice social distancing, wash my hands frequently and stay out of high risk situations. So far so good.
Didn't vote for Trump.
I know PR has lots of pull but for me and him to the "the reason we don't have fall football right now" sure makes me feel powerful.....and sad!
Really? THE REASON? Wow!
HelenaHandBasket
Well-known member
CDAGRIZ said:
With so many people believing it is fake and not taking precautions, which does include older Americans, what makes you think that they would obey? You are also asking that all people 65 and over isolate themselves from everyone, including family. If the right steps were taken early to get the American mindset onboard with what steps would be necessary, things would be much different now. I believe that the best we can hope for now is an effort to stabilize the spread in the short-term, take pressure off of healthcare, and hold our asses hoping for a speedy delivery of a vaccine. Life over the next 4-6 months isn't going to change much from where we sit today.
German Lopez @germanrlopez
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For the first time ever, no state meets even two of three basic benchmarks for getting Covid under control. It's now all zero or one.
HelenaHandBasket said:
Of course. I acknowledged that a lot wouldn't obey. But I bet more would than at present. Not sure where you live, but there was a time period here where everyone was told to isolate themselves from everyone, including family. Now, some are telling everyone to do that again. I know the 65+ order can't happen for multiple reasons (some perhaps legal). I was just wondering if we'd be better/worse/same off if they were ordered to stay home for all these months.
Put another way, painting in broad strokes, if you are 65+, you are something like 500% more likely to take up a hospital bed than the control group. Seems like getting more (obviously can never be all) 65+ people to stay at home might have decreased pressure on the healthcare system over the past 8 months, but like I said, I'm just Monday morning QB-ing like everyone else.
UMFan12 said:Oh yeah. You are sooooooo right. I mean nobody disobeyed the first time around right? Like nobody would do such a shitty thing....I mean it’s not like the president openly told people he wasn’t going to wear a mask and constantly told the people it was no big deal.......Oh wait...AZGrizFan said:
Riots - good, Rallies - Bad
Protests - good, Funerals - Bad
Biden Victory parades - good, Weddings - Bad
Congressional Dinners - good, Thanksgiving - Bad
Sit and lock down while your business fails, but Nancy Pelosi, Chris Cuomo, Gov of California, Mayor of Chicago, ALL gigantic hypocrites who openly flaunted their OWN regulations because it’s good for thee, but not for me.
That “nobody” includes just about every hypocritical Dem in the country, so take your politics ====> to the political board.
When did I mention any of that? Talk about hypocrisy.....AZGrizFan said:UMFan12 said:Oh yeah. You are sooooooo right. I mean nobody disobeyed the first time around right? Like nobody would do such a shitty thing....I mean it’s not like the president openly told people he wasn’t going to wear a mask and constantly told the people it was no big deal.......Oh wait...
Riots - good, Rallies - Bad
Protests - good, Funerals - Bad
Biden Victory parades - good, Weddings - Bad
Congressional Dinners - good, Thanksgiving - Bad
Sit and lock down while your business fails, but Nancy Pelosi, Chris Cuomo, Gov of California, Mayor of Chicago, ALL gigantic hypocrites who openly flaunted their OWN regulations because it’s good for thee, but not for me.
That “nobody” includes just about every hypocritical Dem in the country, so take your politics ====> to the political board.
And yet all these idiots have the audacity to cry about baseless accusations of fraud, but when a GA official comes out telling people what Lindsay Graham is up to, you just turn your head the other way. Don’t bring hypocrisy into this. It won’t go well for you or your party.
2016- Dems are sore losers, can’t accept election results
2020- Reps up it by 10
Almost a full year before Obama leaves, he can’t appoint a justice to the Supreme Court.
2 weeks before an election, the republicans jam ACB through
In the 4 years between these 2, Republican senators talked about how we should “hold them to their word”. Everybody just let is slide....Because of hypocrisy
CDAGRIZ said:argh! said:be careful, if he doesn't like your posts he's going to take his ball and go home, never to return to egriz.
on second thought, don't be careful
Lol. Well, some people don't like what they don't understand. That said, the initial 65+ order was big news here, but I doubt it made any headlines in places that weren't even aware of COVID being an issue back then, so I can understand his confusion.
To clarify to the board, I was just wondering if we be better/worse/same off if we were able to legally order those at risk to stay home. Sure, some would disobey the order, but I'd like to think the majority would abide by it. Heck, you can get nearly anything in the world delivered to your door within like 4 hours. Amazon Fresh is under 2 hours, and your local grocery store is probably even faster. Further, whenever there is a heat wave in the desert or extreme cold wherever, you always hear: "If you are elderly or infirm, stay indoors." Wildfires? "If you have respiratory issues, stay indoors." I know it's not a legal order, but the similarities are there.
I'm guessing we wouldn't have as many hospitalizations and deaths. We might have more asymptomatic/light symptomatic cases. I think the economy, small businesses, employment would have taken less of a hit because those who drive the economy would have been allowed to work/stay open. Who knows?
Have you never lived in a small town?? I live in a town of 1200 people and we have no local grocery store - only a Family Dollar. No grocery delivery here! This means we need to travel 30 miles to the closest Wal-Mart to get groceries.
Even before the pandemic, we were using their grocery pickup service and while it works fairly well, when there is a large demand things can go quite wrong. Our governor last Friday announced a new public health order starting Monday that would close down all non-essential businesses for two weeks. Over the weekend, people panicked and ran to the stores and cleared the shelves. This caused the pick up order I had already placed for Saturday to be short a number of items that I needed. So that meant that we then had to go into Smith's to try to locate the missing items. While Smith's had the majority of the missing items, they were cleaned out of paper products. That necessitated a trip to our local Family Dollar to get what they had. So the governor's order, which was supposed to keep people at home, meant that we visited 2 stores in person that we had no intention of going into.
Oh, and her new stay at home order resulted in the largest daily number of new cases ever yesterday. Probably because everyone was shoulder to shoulder in the stores all weekend.
I would never say the virus isn't real or that we shouldn't be concerned, (especially for the elderly) but I do not see how the current policies are helping.
AZGrizFan said:
And Japan is an island the size of MT. Not hard to protect the border. Yes, Japan has done well so far with the covid, but not the economy.
"Japan declared a national emergency in mid-April, asking people to stay home and businesses to close,
Japan’s economy, the world’s third largest, surged 5 percent during the July-to-September period, for an annualized growth rate of 21.4 percent, after three straight quarters of contraction.
But the recovery is unlikely to be long-lived, analysts warn, as a surge in new virus cases has led to a second round of lockdowns in the United States and Europe and threatens to dampen sentiment at home.
Japan’s economy had contracted a revised 8.2 percent last quarter as the pandemic kept consumers home and devastated already weak demand for the country’s exports. The collapse in growth was the largest since 1955,
That same fragility has also made it slower to recover. The size of its rebound has not been as stark as other major economies.
The United States economy grew 33 percent, on an annual basis, in the most recent quarter."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/15/business/japan-economy-coronavirus.html
zootownrox said:
If you don't settle down, Mouse and I will cancel the spring season too.
You may want to check into the impact that the ncaa's testing and other protocols, and related costs, had on the Big Sky's decision not to play this fall. Talk about a dumbass.
Bear Spray
Well-known member
PlayerRep said:
Agreed it's easier for Japan to close its border. If we get to do this fun virus thing again, shutting down flights - all flights from everywhere - should be mandatory. New Zealand and South Korea got that part right along with Japan. Japan has the third largest economy but has never wowed anyone with growth, partially caused by deflation over the last 2 decades.
In April they asked citizens to stay home.....there was no mandate. Businesses were open. I saw daily photos from outside bars, restaurants & karaoke clubs full of patrons. My friend was certain they were doomed, but they made it through. Wish I could read the article you pasted, unfortunately it requires a sign in. Not happening!
Da Boyz Mom said:
Oh, I know small town living more than most. 1,600 pop. born and raised. Have you tried Amazon? I just punched my hometown's zip code into Amazon, and almost all grocery items will be delivered tomorrow, 11/19/20 via prime. There was even a 1000' of TP that would be delivered tomorrow. Maybe check that out.