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No one knows where people are getting infected
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AZGrizFan said:
don't agree with everything he said - greenie is ok, sometimes, and i don't understand the adoration for fauci, intentionally lying to the public is not right, but he pretty much has it right, as far as egriz goes. bunch of old white guys afraid of what
Jesse said:
Wow, Queenie. You're having a rough weekend!
blackfoot griz
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Just curious. Can anybody post
stats that show US total deaths in 2019 and 2020?
stats that show US total deaths in 2019 and 2020?
HelenaHandBasket
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AZGrizFan said:
Free thinkers and intelligence are not all inclusive. Herein lies the rub.
blackfoot griz said:
"Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.
U.S. deaths increase most years, so some annual rise in fatalities is expected. But the 2020 numbers amount to a jump of about 15%, and could go higher once all the deaths from this month are counted.
That would mark the largest single-year percentage leap since 1918, when tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers died in World War I and hundreds of thousands of Americans died in a flu pandemic. Deaths rose 46% that year, compared with 1917."
Seattle Times.
ilovethecats
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argh! said:
But people die of the flu every year correct? And NO, I’m not comparing this virus to the flu! But am I correct when I say I believe people die of the flu?
In regards to masks, is there something I’m missing about what viruses they prevent? We KNOW wearing them will slow the spread of Covid. That’s been smashed in our heads for months. Do they honestly not protect people from other ailments, including the flu? I guess I just assumed they did.
If masks can’t help the spread of the flu then this conversation is over. I’m wrong. However, if it’s possible masks COULD prevent the spread of the flu, and I’m correct in saying people die of the flu; isn’t the logical conclusion that wearing masks could ALWAYS save lives?
What am I missing? Shouldn’t we always do anything necessary to prevent lives lost?
alabamagrizzly said:
Well, yes but masks are here for a long time.
In the years past, did your Coronavirus episodes last a full week? I still can't wrap my head around that.
Flu:
"Even as the COVID-19 pandemic surges across the United States, the number of people getting sick with the flu is reaching record lows. Experts say that's partly thanks to higher vaccination rates during the pandemic.
A record number of influenza vaccine doses are being produced and distributed in 2020, in an attempt to avoid a "twindemic." According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), over 190.4 million flu vaccines have been distributed across the U.S. this season — the highest number of flu doses distributed in the U.S. during a single influenza season.
Flu vaccination among adults rose 46% — from 31.1 million in 2019 to 45.3 million as of November 28.
Seasonal influenza activity in the U.S. remains lower than usual for this time of year, the CDC said, with .3% of specimens testing positive at clinical laboratories last week."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/influenza-flu-cases-down-covid-19-surge-united-states-record-vaccinations/
"Dr. Eric Milie of Millcreek Community Hospital says social distancing, wearing a mask and limited interactions are lowering the chance of people catching the flu.
He says when testing patients for COVID-19, the Millcreek Community Hospital is also testing patients for flu viruses.
So far, there has been a decrease in flu cases from previous years. Also, the number of people receiving flu shots across the country is twice as much, compared to last season.
“The cases that we’re getting are covid cases, very few flu cases. I think it’s probably a function of people maintaining some social distancing,” said Eric Milie, director outpatient services, Millcreek Community Hospital."
https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-doctor-explains-why-flu-cases-are-down-this-year/
"Even as the COVID-19 pandemic surges across the United States, the number of people getting sick with the flu is reaching record lows. Experts say that's partly thanks to higher vaccination rates during the pandemic.
A record number of influenza vaccine doses are being produced and distributed in 2020, in an attempt to avoid a "twindemic." According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), over 190.4 million flu vaccines have been distributed across the U.S. this season — the highest number of flu doses distributed in the U.S. during a single influenza season.
Flu vaccination among adults rose 46% — from 31.1 million in 2019 to 45.3 million as of November 28.
Seasonal influenza activity in the U.S. remains lower than usual for this time of year, the CDC said, with .3% of specimens testing positive at clinical laboratories last week."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/influenza-flu-cases-down-covid-19-surge-united-states-record-vaccinations/
"Dr. Eric Milie of Millcreek Community Hospital says social distancing, wearing a mask and limited interactions are lowering the chance of people catching the flu.
He says when testing patients for COVID-19, the Millcreek Community Hospital is also testing patients for flu viruses.
So far, there has been a decrease in flu cases from previous years. Also, the number of people receiving flu shots across the country is twice as much, compared to last season.
“The cases that we’re getting are covid cases, very few flu cases. I think it’s probably a function of people maintaining some social distancing,” said Eric Milie, director outpatient services, Millcreek Community Hospital."
https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-doctor-explains-why-flu-cases-are-down-this-year/
ilovethecats said:
the flu isn't a coronavirus, it is a negative-strand rna virus. it does use similar routes for transmission, etc, and masks do help prevent it's spread. there are antiviral treatments for it, and vaccines. cases were recently reported as being down 61% from last year. this is going to be from a variety of reasons, including people not going to the doctor, and all the precautions people are taking for the coronavirus. stay home when you have the flu, you might infect other people. a mask wouldn't hurt, but we are not talking anywhere near the same disease.
ilovethecats
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I don't consider myself dumb, no. Just asking questions. None of which you answered.argh! said:
Am I incorrect that people die of the flu every year? I could have sworn that I have read that the flu kills people every year, but like I said if this isn't the case disregard my opinion.
If I am NOT incorrect, and the flu DOES kill people every year, then I'm just trying to follow the logic of the masks. Would these masks that are so vital in our fight against this coronavirus not work against the flu every year as well? Maybe they don't. That just seems weird to me.
If masks DO work in fighting the flu, just like they DO work fighting coronavirus, seems to me the only ethical thing to do would be to wear masks everywhere for the rest of our lives to prevent people from dying.
Guess I'm just surprised that someone such as yourself that has been so vocal about all the precautions we should be taking to save lives would say that as soon as he's vaccinated the mask is coming off.
ilovethecats
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Spanky2 said:
Not sure. In the beginning they said I had to quarantine for 14 days. Then I believe they changed that to 10 days. Though I've now had two friends who have tested positive twice months apart from when they had it the first time. So they either got infected two separate times which in the beginning we were told would be a very rare occurrence; OR they had it for months in which case I guess they never should have been with anyone.
Although on the flipside my wife was with me all 14 days I had to be home and never got sick at all. Though obviously I guess she could have had it and never known. In which case it wasn't safe for her to be around anyone either. Same with my three kids.
Though none of this helps me understand why those so vocal about wearing masks to save lives during this pandemic are equally vocal about how soon they are going to stop wearing them, regardless of other viruses in which they would prevent the spread. It's an odd concept for me to grasp but I'm trying to learn.
