MSU vs. Sac State.

[Catsrback76]

cats won't face a defense until Montana. That's good! They'll have that false sense of security they normally have in November.

The Cats have faced a quality defense...UND, and beat them handily!

That's a great point - the vaunted MSU offense scored 3 more points against UND than the Griz offense did (when you add back the 3 points the officials missed). And you offense did this at home (which should be worth at least 10 points considering how loud and cold your stadium is). With your starting QB for the whole game.

And the moon is in the 2nd house...it's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius!

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

cats won't face a defense until Montana. That's good! They'll have that false sense of security they normally have in November.

The Cats have faced a quality defense...UND, and beat them handily!

That's a great point - the vaunted MSU offense scored 3 more points against UND than the Griz offense did (when you add back the 3 points the officials missed). And you offense did this at home (which should be worth at least 10 points considering how loud and cold your stadium is). With your starting QB for the whole game.

And the moon is in the 2nd house...it's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius!

No no, the age of DeNarius is over.

We're into new age now

 

[bigkid]

The Cats have faced a quality defense...UND, and beat them handily!

That's a great point - the vaunted MSU offense scored 3 more points against UND than the Griz offense did (when you add back the 3 points the officials missed). And you offense did this at home (which should be worth at least 10 points considering how loud and cold your stadium is). With your starting QB for the whole game.

And the moon is in the 2nd house...it's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius!

No no, the age of DeNarius is over.

We're into new age now

Nice picture of the cats giving thanks for the 2014 football schedule they received. Now put on those femanine pads and go get em! Prukop,Prukop he's our man if he can't do it no one can.........yeeeeeea dakota. :clap: ray: ray: uke:

 

[br fan]

cats won't face a defense until Montana. That's good! They'll have that false sense of security they normally have in November.

The Cats have faced a quality defense...UND, and beat them handily!

The cat offense scored 2 TDs and kicked 2 FGs against UND, while the Griz offense scored 2 TDs and kicked 1 FG against them. The cats other TD was by their defense. I am in no way claiming the Griz offense is as good as the cats at this point because it clearly is not. Regardless, I do think cat fans are overestimating how good their offense really is when facing a decent defense.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Grizbeer, I think I'm one of the most level-headed and objective posters on this board when it comes to Montana State. I don't let my dislike get in the way of what I truly think about the Cats. Having said that, I think the Cats have a fantastic offense, and actually, the Griz have NEVER had a lock on the talent in the Big Sky. The conference ALWAYS has lots of talented players. Having said that, no matter the Griz struggles right now, the Cats don't have a single player as talented as Ellis Henderson on offense, or a single player as talented as Wags on defense. That's not open for debate.

However, as I've said, I can be objective when it comes to MSU, and the Cats O is flat-out LEGIT. Cramsey's changes have paif BIG dividends and Prukop isn't playing like a soph who never started a college football game before.

Edit: sorry Grizbeer, not you, meant to direct that at the post above.

Well Havfan.....as you know Prukop has just been named National POW after his outstanding performance at Sac St.; do you still stand by the statement "the Cats don't have a single player as talented as Ellis Henderson" or would you rather wait for the all BSC team to be announced (sorry Hendo won't be on it) Would Prukop even make a good backup on the 2014 edition of the Griz? Remember.....you are the "objective" one :mrgreen:

Prukop is a one man wrecking machine. He has shown in just his 6th collegiate start that he is one of the best in the country, hands down. He's the whole package and he is just getting started.

Prukop runs too much, takes too many chances, and probably isn't going to the last the season.

This is hilarious. I remember Griz fans saying the exact same thing about Denarius. Despite your warnings in 2010, he didn't miss a game until his senior year.

That being said, when you run an offense like the Cats do (or like the Griz try to do), there is inherent risk with your QB getting hurt. That's just the way it is. Ask Jordy Johnson or Vernon Adams.

Nobody wants a QB to get hurt, especially in a conference like this. Jordy has given more than anyone else to UM and should be respected for his career, regardless of how it ends this season. Having him be hurt and even missing one game isn't a fitting way to send out your senior. But then again, PR, is that because he plays too recklessly, or because injuries to star players is an inherent risk of football?

I'd like you to answer by first answering my either or question and then spinning away the answer. Please proceed, and then distinguish how Dakota Prukop is more likely to get hurt than any of the others.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well Havfan.....as you know Prukop has just been named National POW after his outstanding performance at Sac St.; do you still stand by the statement "the Cats don't have a single player as talented as Ellis Henderson" or would you rather wait for the all BSC team to be announced (sorry Hendo won't be on it) Would Prukop even make a good backup on the 2014 edition of the Griz? Remember.....you are the "objective" one :mrgreen:

Prukop is a one man wrecking machine. He has shown in just his 6th collegiate start that he is one of the best in the country, hands down. He's the whole package and he is just getting started.

Prukop runs too much, takes too many chances, and probably isn't going to the last the season.

This is hilarious. I remember Griz fans saying the exact same thing about Denarius. Despite your warnings in 2010, he didn't miss a game until his senior year.

That being said, when you run an offense like the Cats do (or like the Griz try to do), there is inherent risk with your QB getting hurt. That's just the way it is. Ask Jordy Johnson or Vernon Adams.

Nobody wants a QB to get hurt, especially in a conference like this. Jordy has given more than anyone else to UM and should be respected for his career, regardless of how it ends this season. Having him be hurt and even missing one game isn't a fitting way to send out your senior. But then again, PR, is that because he plays too recklessly, or because injuries to star players is an inherent risk of football?

I'd like you to answer by first answering my either or question and then spinning away the answer. Please proceed, and then distinguish how Dakota Prukop is more likely to get hurt than any of the others.

Prukop is more likely to get injured than the other 2 because he runs way more often, and doesn't protect himself. He has 91 carries for 460 yards, is a large part of the running offense, and is the leading ground gainer. He has 28 more carries than the leading running back. JJ has 15 carries for 45 yards. He has had virtually no planned runs this year. This is in contrast to his sophomore year, when he ran alot, and was nagged by injuries most of the season. He ran more last year too, and also had a nagging injury. I think the UM coaches are trying to protect him more this year. Adams has 63 carries for 209 yards. Many of his runs are scrambles. 2 EWU running backs have more yards than he has.

Prukop is the 8th leading runner in the conference, and is leading in rushing TD's. Only 3 running backs have more carries, and one of them has only 1 more carry. You may think he is superhuman, but I don't.

While I have only seen parts of several Cat games, my Bozeman friends, including my family, parents of several Cat players, and a former Griz player living in Bozeman, have all said that they believe Prukop will get hurt if he continues playing like he has.

McGhee did in fact get hurt. His injuries severely impacted his season last year, as well as the Cats' season. It was also rumored that he had significant nagging injuries in prior years, which also impacted him. I don't buy your argument of: ya, he got hurt as many predicted, but he didn't get hurt as quickly as you thought he would. He got hurt, and it had a huge impact on him and the Cats. And he got hurt running, and running hard.

The Griz don't have JJ running this year. You obviously haven't watched any games, or weren't paying attention. Even the few times he has run zone read, he hasn't kept the ball. JJ is too valuable to lose. His recent injury came on a flagged late hit following a pass, not on a run or scramble.

Injuries are a risk to football players. Star players are not at greater risk, unless they take more chances or are targeted (which I don't think happens often). Quarterbacks who are reckless consistently generally get hurt more. Some of more susceptible than others.

Prukop is listed at 195. I don't believe he is that rare qb who is built to take hits, like some are. I love qb's who run hard and put their head downs to pick up yardage or just run over defenders. However, over time, I've realized that it's better for the team and the qb to run out of bounds, slide, and not take chances except in rare situations.

We'll see what happens. We'll see how "hilarious" you think it is if Prukop gets hurt.

 

[Jerry Punch]

I think it is hilarious that you think he won't last the season because you've said it before and it didn't work out like you expected. When Denarius was a freshman, you expressed concern that his running style would get him hurt. Ultimately, the Cats won in Missoula and went to the playoffs before he got knocked out by the slowly building train that became NDSU. Denarius getting hurt isn't why the Cats lost to NDSU. The Cats lost to NDSU because they were not good enough to compete with them.

I don't buy your argument that Dakota won't last the season because I haven't seen any indication that he's hurt or slowed by any nagging injuries, much like Denarius was last year. The kid was recruited as a corner by Big 12 schools because he has good open field speed. His between the tackles running is different. He isn't getting his yards 3-4 at a time; rather he's getting them in 30 and 40 yard spurts once he gets into the open field.

Ultimately, this is all hilarious because YOU have said in the past that Denarius made the Cats what they were last season, both when he played and didn't play. Supposedly, the end of Denarius was the end of the Cats success. The gloom and doom has not played out in line with your predictions. New players come through programs all of the time. Sometimes you're lucky to have them for 3-4 years, like the Griz with Jordy and the Cats with Denarius. But, eventually programs have to move on. The Cats did. Thank you for your concern though, PR.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think it is hilarious that you think he won't last the season because you've said it before and it didn't work out like you expected. When Denarius was a freshman, you expressed concern that his running style would get him hurt. Ultimately, the Cats won in Missoula and went to the playoffs before he got knocked out by the slowly building train that became NDSU. Denarius getting hurt isn't why the Cats lost to NDSU. The Cats lost to NDSU because they were not good enough to compete with them.

I don't buy your argument that Dakota won't last the season because I haven't seen any indication that he's hurt or slowed by any nagging injuries, much like Denarius was last year. The kid was recruited as a corner by Big 12 schools because he has good open field speed. His between the tackles running is different. He isn't getting his yards 3-4 at a time; rather he's getting them in 30 and 40 yard spurts once he gets into the open field.

Ultimately, this is all hilarious because YOU have said in the past that Denarius made the Cats what they were last season, both when he played and didn't play. Supposedly, the end of Denarius was the end of the Cats success. The gloom and doom has not played out in line with your predictions. New players come through programs all of the time. Sometimes you're lucky to have them for 3-4 years, like the Griz with Jordy and the Cats with Denarius. But, eventually programs have to move on. The Cats did. Thank you for your concern though, PR.

Feel free to find any posts where I said McGhee wouldn't last thru his frosh year. I was actually pretty supportive and appreciative of McGhee's play. Grew to believe he was a terrific player. I suppose I could have made an offhand comment or crack a few times, but most of my posts were supportive of McGhee.

My recollection is that I didn't say much or anything about McGhee's durability until 2013, when Cat posters started saying he was going to run more. I think I actually disagreed a time or two with Growler, who said McGhee wasn't durable, and I said there was no evidence of that. I once said McGhee was a bit of a pussy, because he slid alot, but also said that maybe the coaches made him do that and maybe that's why he hadn't been seriously hurt. So, again by recollection, I said McGhee might get hurt in 2013, and he did.

 

[getgrizzy]

j.j. has been hurt significantly three different times. the first came around the 33rd run of his career. he was dinged up against n.a.u. last year, but didn't miss a game, got concussed and missed a game this year and is staring at another missed game due to his ankle. mcghee had about 325 carries before he got hurt and missed a game. adams has had 260 carries. prikop has 91 carries and been sacked 11 times.

some players frames are just more durable than others. that's a bigger factor than how often someone runs it. but you never know and can't predict when someone will get hurt. they're all bound to at some point though.

one thing is for certain. when you start predicting a player on an opposing team will get hurt, it comes off as you're wishing he gets hurt whether that's your intention or not.

 

[Umista]

Prukop is a damn good QB. Most will agree on that point. If he stays healthy the cats will do quite well until they do the now famous "msu meltdown" towards the end of the season.
Yes indeed I like watching him as he slings the ball to every player on the team including the center and various linemen. Then if he finds only a few open receivers he takes off and runs like the wind.

Prukop is all that msu has, if he stays healthy they will do great. If on the other hand he gets injured..... msu won't have to wait for the usual melt down, they will simply fade away in a slow death and no one will even remember them as the season winds down!

 

[PlayerRep]

j.j. has been hurt significantly three different times. the first came around the 33rd run of his career. he was dinged up against n.a.u. last year, but didn't miss a game, got concussed and missed a game this year and is staring at another missed game due to his ankle. mcghee had about 325 carries before he got hurt and missed a game. adams has had 260 carries. prikop has 91 carries and been sacked 11 times.

some players frames are just more durable than others. that's a bigger factor than how often someone runs it. but you never know and can't predict when someone will get hurt. they're all bound to at some point though.

one thing is for certain. when you start predicting a player on an opposing team will get hurt, it comes off as you're wishing he gets hurt whether that's your intention or not.

Nope. Predicting a player will get hurt doesn't mean you want the player to get hurt. It's just part of the analysis of the game of football. Of course, I know you wouldn't understand that.

 

[statler & waldorf]

Prukop runs too much? He sure as hell can pass the ball. Lets see, what does that remind me of..........hmmm....... :idea: I know! Air Read and Dave Dickenson. Déjà vu?

 

[Chester Cheetah]

JJ has 15 carries for 45 yards. He has had virtually no planned runs this year.

An yet, how much time has JJ missed with injury this year? If I remember correctly it is a game and a half. It sounds like there is a flaw in you logic.

 

[poorgriz]

Well Jeez PR - maybe your coaches should turn JJ loose then and start having him run the ball more. Because if what you say is true, and Prukop is more likely to get hurt because he runs too much, while JJ isn't running much, something isn't working, JJ has been pummeled this year, has left multiple games due to injury. Prukop hasn't missed a play, to my recollection. Maybe you should start implementing more designed runs for JJ so he can get the hell out of harms way.

 

['68griz]

Grizbeer, I think I'm one of the most level-headed and objective posters on this board when it comes to Montana State. I don't let my dislike get in the way of what I truly think about the Cats. Having said that, I think the Cats have a fantastic offense, and actually, the Griz have NEVER had a lock on the talent in the Big Sky. The conference ALWAYS has lots of talented players. Having said that, no matter the Griz struggles right now, the Cats don't have a single player as talented as Ellis Henderson on offense, or a single player as talented as Wags on defense. That's not open for debate.

However, as I've said, I can be objective when it comes to MSU, and the Cats O is flat-out LEGIT. Cramsey's changes have paif BIG dividends and Prukop isn't playing like a soph who never started a college football game before.

Edit: sorry Grizbeer, not you, meant to direct that at the post above.

Well Havfan.....as you know Prukop has just been named National POW after his outstanding performance at Sac St.; do you still stand by the statement "the Cats don't have a single player as talented as Ellis Henderson" or would you rather wait for the all BSC team to be announced (sorry Hendo won't be on it) Would Prukop even make a good backup on the 2014 edition of the Griz? Remember.....you are the "objective" one :mrgreen:

Don't you think the fact that he's sick and has, essentially, not played at all this year could have something to do with that. Get real!

 

[PlayerRep]

JJ has 15 carries for 45 yards. He has had virtually no planned runs this year.

An yet, how much time has JJ missed with injury this year? If I remember correctly it is a game and a half. It sounds like there is a flaw in you logic.

Nope, JJ would likely have missed more time if he had 90 rushes this year.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well Jeez PR - maybe your coaches should turn JJ loose then and start having him run the ball more. Because if what you say is true, and Prukop is more likely to get hurt because he runs too much, while JJ isn't running much, something isn't working, JJ has been pummeled this year, has left multiple games due to injury. Prukop hasn't missed a play, to my recollection. Maybe you should start implementing more designed runs for JJ so he can get the hell out of harms way.

JJ has been hit this year, due to football being a dangerous game, UM's inexperienced o-line, a flagged late hit, and the quality of the defenses UM has played (Wyo., NDSU and ND are good defenses). I hope Prukop avoid injury, but if he gets hurt, feel free to make a post telling me that I was right, again.

 

[getgrizzy]

j.j. has been hurt significantly three different times. the first came around the 33rd run of his career. he was dinged up against n.a.u. last year, but didn't miss a game, got concussed and missed a game this year and is staring at another missed game due to his ankle. mcghee had about 325 carries before he got hurt and missed a game. adams has had 260 carries. prikop has 91 carries and been sacked 11 times.

some players frames are just more durable than others. that's a bigger factor than how often someone runs it. but you never know and can't predict when someone will get hurt. they're all bound to at some point though.

one thing is for certain. when you start predicting a player on an opposing team will get hurt, it comes off as you're wishing he gets hurt whether that's your intention or not.

Nope. Predicting a player will get hurt doesn't mean you want the player to get hurt. It's just part of the analysis of the game of football. Of course, I know you wouldn't understand that.

didn't say it "does" i said it "comes off as" not that you'd know the difference.

 

[getgrizzy]

JJ has 15 carries for 45 yards. He has had virtually no planned runs this year.

An yet, how much time has JJ missed with injury this year? If I remember correctly it is a game and a half. It sounds like there is a flaw in you logic.

Nope, JJ would likely have missed more time if he had 90 rushes this year.

are you saying j.j. is fragile? are you saying adams, mchee and prikup are more durable than j.j.?

 

[Jerry Punch]

Well Jeez PR - maybe your coaches should turn JJ loose then and start having him run the ball more. Because if what you say is true, and Prukop is more likely to get hurt because he runs too much, while JJ isn't running much, something isn't working, JJ has been pummeled this year, has left multiple games due to injury. Prukop hasn't missed a play, to my recollection. Maybe you should start implementing more designed runs for JJ so he can get the hell out of harms way.

JJ has been hit this year, due to football being a dangerous game, UM's inexperienced o-line, a flagged late hit, and the quality of the defenses UM has played (Wyo., NDSU and ND are good defenses). I hope Prukop avoid injury, but if he gets hurt, feel free to make a post telling me that I was right, again.

OK, so what you are saying is that football is a dangerous game but it is more dangerous for Prukop because he runs more, but less dangerous because Jordy doesn't run as much, but Jordy being hurt more than Dakota is solely because the game is dangerous. Your circular logic is nauseating.