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More trouble for Mr. Donaldson

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wbtfg said:
I saw the missoulian article stated that Donaldson would not receive the same legal counsel as tru and kemp. It basically said he was on his own....I thought that was curious.
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Tru and Kemp did not get legal counsel paid for by the University. That would be a clear NCAA violation. They simply went to Foley and O'Day the morning after to fess up and get advice on how to handle the situation moving forward from their end.

The University did not pay for Tru and Kemp's legal fees, and have never payed for players legal fees.
 
'68griz said:
wbtfg said:
I saw the missoulian article stated that Donaldson would not receive the same legal counsel as tru and kemp. It basically said he was on his own....I thought that was curious.
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Makes you think, perhaps, there is more evidence of Donaldson's wrongdoing in this case than there was in the Johnson and Kemp incident. I have no idea ... just stating a thought.
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UM does NOT hire attorneys for athletes. They can't. It would be an ncaa violation. On occasion, UM had facilitated the hiring of counsel for athletes and faculty (according to what Foley said in the original article). UM actually shouldn't sit in on meetings between anyone and his legal counsel, as that would cause the discussions to not be protected by the attorney-client privilege. Donaldson is from Missoula. He and his family can locate counsel for him.
 
The article actually says no university personnel will be involved in any meetings with Donaldson's attorney. It does not say he will not have the same attorney as Johnson and Kemp. It also does not say the U chose, provided, or paid for Johnson's and Kemp's attorneys, though it tries hard to insinuate this. I do agree that Foley's comment about university personnel not attending meetings with Donaldson's attorney looks a little chilly and odd. It may be that because the charge is so much more serious than the Johnson/Kemp charge, the lawyer doesn't want anyone in those meetings whose presence might waive privilege.
 
Triwest said:
christo said:
If true, this is terrible for all involved (victim obviously, families, Beau, Griz community, etc). There is no excuse for this, period. The court process will hopefully take care of this appropriately.

On the other hand, the coaching staff, athletic department, and administration needs to get this stuff figured out. I'm sure that none of the recruiters could've foretold any of these legal issues when they recruited a kid....but something has got to be done soon to avoid this stuff from happening once the kids get here. Too much bad publicity from athletes in the Griz community. As a UM grad, I'm ashamed. Each time stuff like this happens, it gets harder to whole-heartedly recommend UM for my family's or friends' kids to attend. I will always recommend, but it gets more difficult to do it without some reservations.

And if Beau did this, I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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I agree we need prosecute all involved. The football team needs to be cleaned up. With that said I fear the team may just be the tip of an ice berg, the part that is visable easist to address, while the bigger part is harder to see and deal with. The morals and values in our society right now scare me and Montana is not isolated and insulated from the bad (inspite of the opinion posted in the Missoulian). The shock that many of us feel or felt in the past is not there for many when they hear of or see things happening now. Maybe desensitized by the daily news reports, video games, movies, TV shows, the mass spread of anything on the internet, I don't know, maybe it is all starting to seem normal that it is just part of life and what people do. More and more our society and the world is becoming more egocentric. Self is all that matters. Listen to your kids talk to their friends. Many do not trust anyone and think everyone is out to do bad. They really do not like others and are more and more isolated. (Maybe from being Bullied in school. The Boys will be Boys or it is what middle school and high school Girls do attitude as a down play of behavior is not good.) From our Male side we are suppose to look out for our Ladies. But it seems to be becoming a lost value. How can they learn it when they sit on their beds, with headphones and mics on their head, and their social contact is through a violent video game. (This was my son and his friends the same age as Beau). Sex to many is not a big deal and not really something special. It should be.

To defend someone by saying they are a good person is weak at best. How do we know what is really inside the minds of another. How many major criminals when caught have had people who knew them shocked by what they did. The football team needs to be cleaned up.....but the bigger job will take much longer and needs to address much more parts of our community and society.
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Well said Triwest & spot on!
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
I hardly see it as irony but more like a good swat to the back of your head for doing something completely inappropriate and uncalled for. I hope you enjoy the FCS Championship game today.
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I will enjoy it! Thanks!
 
wbtfg said:
I saw the missoulian article stated that Donaldson would not receive the same legal counsel as tru and kemp. It basically said he was on his own....I thought that was curious.
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Seems very black and white to me.......why do you think its so curious?
 
I am not going to begin to guess whether someone is guilty or innocent, that is what jurors do after seeing all evidence. He may, or may not be guilty. Everyone needs to let this run it's course.

What I do know is "good guys" don't resort to using any date rape drugs, and no means no. If the accused are guilty, then punish them according to the law.

For you bobcat fans that are getting woodies because it isn't your school this time, you are a pretty sick asshole if you are more excited a Griz is in trouble over a cat player. What about the victims you POS? I cannot believe ho warped the thought process is from some of you. This should have NOTHING to do with a football rivalry.
 
wbtfg said:
I saw the missoulian article stated that Donaldson would not receive the same legal counsel as tru and kemp. It basically said he was on his own....I thought that was curious.
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its because he is a Montana "white" kid ?
 
SAVAGE PAW said:
grizindabox said:
Stupidity if dang funny. PlayerRep, Savage, and Growler are top notch comics. :thumb:
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I wish it were a joke but its a sad fact of life.
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I don't have anything to add here. Just that I wanted to capture this moment when savage agreed that he is stupid and a comic.
 
Player, the fact that his bond was set at $100,000 is suggestive of one of two things: that 1) Donaldson is a threat to the community or 2) he is a flight risk. Because Donaldson is a local boy, I think we can rule out the possibility of him running from the authorities. A six figure bond is significant, and whatever attorney swore to those facts in the charging document must have reasonable cause to believe that they could be proven in court.

I will take the sworn statement of an attorney based on an investigation and subsequent factual description of the event any day of the week before Player's "instincts" that Donaldson didn't do this. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent, but a $100,000 bond suggests to me that there is significant factual material to prove this case.
 
If this is part of the broader investigation of alleged gang rape then this could bounce Beau Donaldsons way in the event of multiple arrest. The first in custody is often times the least guilty if their is such a thing and most likely to co-operate or testify for a reduced sentence.
 
Noches de Passion said:
Player, the fact that his bond was set at $100,000 is suggestive of one of two things: that 1) Donaldson is a threat to the community or 2) he is a flight risk. Because Donaldson is a local boy, I think we can rule out the possibility of him running from the authorities. A six figure bond is significant, and whatever attorney swore to those facts in the charging document must have reasonable cause to believe that they could be proven in court.

I will take the sworn statement of an attorney based on an investigation and subsequent factual description of the event any day of the week before Player's "instincts" that Donaldson didn't do this. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent, but a $100,000 bond suggests to me that there is significant factual material to prove this case.
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While I don't know the Missoula procedure, I assume the bail was set from a bail schedule, not by a judge. The arrest was after 5pm on Friday, so the judges would have been gone. I assume bail will be revisited at the appearance on Monday (see the arrest record). Thus, I don't think anything should be read into the bail amount. Nationally, bail for rape arrests varies widely, but bail is often higher than $100,000, according to what I understand.

You should take more out of the arrest than from my instinct. However, you should also recognize that stats on the internet say that over 50% of rape arrests end up in dismissal or acquittal. And you should be aware that rape charges can be brought without even talking to the person arrested. I would think that the percentage of date/acquaintance rape, which I assume but don't know this is, that results in conviction (or admission) is even lower than the rate for all rape.

While I know nothing of the circumstances of this arrest and the timing, note that arrests sometimes occur after the close of the courts on Friday, so that there are no judges around to lower bail and the person arrested will have to sit in jail for the weekend. Again, not saying or indicating that that was done in this situation.

If you have specific knowledge of the bail or other relevant practices in Missoula, please let us know.
 
SAVAGE PAW said:
If this is part of the broader investigation of alleged gang rape then this could bounce Beau Donaldsons way in the event of multiple arrest. The first in custody is often times the least guilty if their is such a thing and most likely to co-operate or testify for a reduced sentence.
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True, but my reading of Foley's quote made me think this may not related to what's been in the media in the past several weeks.
 
bigsky33 said:
You can say want you want about the Cat's, but the fact is the program has been realtively clean since Coach Ash came on board. Also, the minor things that have happened were met with swift action. On the other hand the UM program has had one incident after another and most relating to more serious incidents that have resulted in extensive damaging press coverage. No matter what the outcome of the cases against the individuals, they have been damaging to the University and our State from a public relations standpoint. You have to admit when you wake up in the morning and see something like this in the paper it makes you sick. The university and athletic dept. needs to do a complete review of the program and figure out why these things are happening. You can slam me on this, but reality is the reputation of your institiution has been damaged. This latest case is downright serious!
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You are exactly right. But notice the lack of Griz fans agreeing with your post? It sickens me that so many Griz fans are willing to accept the level of criminal activity within the football program just because we win. My question each and every one of them is this..........would you remain silent if our football team failed to make the playoffs this season, and the same crimal acts were committed? I think we all know the answer to that one.

I urge all Griz fans to engage in some self-reflection considering their tolerance to winning at all costs, and sweeping problems under the rug to win at all costs.
 
christo said:
If true, this is terrible for all involved (victim obviously, families, Beau, Griz community, etc). There is no excuse for this, period. The court process will hopefully take care of this appropriately.

On the other hand, the coaching staff, athletic department, and administration needs to get this stuff figured out. I'm sure that none of the recruiters could've foretold any of these legal issues when they recruited a kid....but something has got to be done soon to avoid this stuff from happening once the kids get here. Too much bad publicity from athletes in the Griz community. As a UM grad, I'm ashamed. Each time stuff like this happens, it gets harder to whole-heartedly recommend UM for my family's or friends' kids to attend. I will always recommend, but it gets more difficult to do it without some reservations.

And if Beau did this, I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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+1
 
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