More trouble for Mr. Donaldson

[PlayerRep]

No, this is what I said: "I know good kids can get caught up with date rape-type things too,"

Then they would no longer be good kids.[/quote]

LOL. I can't believe what PR is trying to say. Good kids don't get caught up with rape scenarios, good kids stay out of trouble. End of story.[/quote]

Nope, not accurate. Look at some of the other posts in the thread. How do you explain the stat that over 50% of rape charges get dismissed or the accused is acquitted. We'd like to hear your explanation.

 

[GrizLA]

Is it just a coincidence that I read in the Butte paper that Bannock/Virginia City are recreating the Vigilante hanging of Plummer today? How great is that?

 

[PTGrizzly]

No, this is what I said: "I know good kids can get caught up with date rape-type things too,"

Then they would no longer be good kids.

LOL. I can't believe what PR is trying to say. Good kids don't get caught up with rape scenarios, good kids stay out of trouble. End of story.[/quote]

Nope, not accurate. Look at some of the other posts in the thread. How do you explain the stat that over 50% of rape charges get dismissed or the accused is acquitted. We'd like to hear your explanation.[/quote]

First off, the only person you are speaking for is yourself. You want to hear my explanation, don't speak for other people if you don't know what they want.

I'm of the opinion that if you're putting yourself in the position where you can get accused of rape, then you're not a good person. I don't give a damn what the stats say, "good" kids don't get accused of rape.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, this is what I said: "I know good kids can get caught up with date rape-type things too,"

Then they would no longer be good kids.

LOL. I can't believe what PR is trying to say. Good kids don't get caught up with rape scenarios, good kids stay out of trouble. End of story.

Nope, not accurate. Look at some of the other posts in the thread. How do you explain the stat that over 50% of rape charges get dismissed or the accused is acquitted. We'd like to hear your explanation.[/quote]

First off, the only person you are speaking for is yourself. You want to hear my explanation, don't speak for other people if you don't know what they want.

I'm of the opinion that if you're putting yourself in the position where you can get accused of rape, then you're not a good person. I don't give a damn what the stats say, "good" kids don't get accused of rape.[/quote]

Then we don't and will never agree. Lots of good people get falsely accused of bad things, or make mistakes. You are one of those judgmental types. It will catch up with you someday. And by the way, i was speaking for more than myself. You sure seem to be wanting to talk about stuff that you know nothing about. I still think you must be a Bobcat. I did some checking at the UM PT school, and you don't appear to exist.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

The article actually says no university personnel will be involved in any meetings with Donaldson's attorney. It does not say he will not have the same attorney as Johnson and Kemp. It also does not say the U chose, provided, or paid for Johnson's and Kemp's attorneys, though it tries hard to insinuate this. I do agree that Foley's comment about university personnel not attending meetings with Donaldson's attorney looks a little chilly and odd. It may be that because the charge is so much more serious than the Johnson/Kemp charge, the lawyer doesn't want anyone in those meetings whose presence might waive privilege.

It means the UM is afraid at the very least of a civil suit, based on the Barz report, and at most of criminal liability for UM staff members for not reporting in a timely manner. There is no reason for UM personnel to talk to Donaldson at this point, and they should be trying to cut ties with him ASAP.

Open your eyes, people. This is just the beginning. :shock:

 

[PlayerRep]

The article actually says no university personnel will be involved in any meetings with Donaldson's attorney. It does not say he will not have the same attorney as Johnson and Kemp. It also does not say the U chose, provided, or paid for Johnson's and Kemp's attorneys, though it tries hard to insinuate this. I do agree that Foley's comment about university personnel not attending meetings with Donaldson's attorney looks a little chilly and odd. It may be that because the charge is so much more serious than the Johnson/Kemp charge, the lawyer doesn't want anyone in those meetings whose presence might waive privilege.

It means the UM is afraid at the very least of a civil suit, and at most of criminal liability.

Open your eyes, people. This is just the beginning. :shock:

A civil lawsuit from who or what? You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

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A civil lawsuit from who or what? You don't know what you're talking about.

Why don't you get on the phone with the Timmers, you big phony. Read the Barz Report.

God, you're such a freaking joke. The "lawyer" who admittedly has no clue what Missoula County bail protocol is, yet still speaks "presumably" as an expert while flapping his ass cheeks.

I thought a man with your connections would be able to clear up the bail issue, and not wait for "a judge" to decide on Monday.

YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH UM ATHLETICS.

 

[PlayerRep]

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A civil lawsuit from who or what? You don't know what you're talking about.

Why don't you get on the phone with the Timmers, you big phony. Read the Barz Report.

God, you're such a freaking joke. The "lawyer" who admittedly has no clue what Missoula County bail protocol is, yet still speaks "presumably" as an expert while flapping his ass cheeks.

I thought a man with your connections would be able to clear up the bail issue, and not wait for "a judge" to decide on Monday.

YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH UM ATHLETICS.

I read the Barz report. I understand what's going on. You don't. No civil lawsuit there. I understand the bail system. You don't. Bail gets set by judges. Haha on Timmers. Best friends for almost 25 years. You are the joke and an idiot. You always have been on the board.

 

[big kahuna]

If the arrest was based on a warrant, the bail amount was set by a judge prior to the warrant being served. That's typical in rape cases, or other serious crimes, that take some time and investigation before prosecutors decide to move forward with actual charges. Obviously, we will know more Monday, including what specific actions prosecutors have alleged. Until then, to say this isn't serious because more than half of rape charges get dismissed (my guess is that they are reduced to lesser charges) is just a bunch of hogwash. We shouldn't jump to persecute this young man, but we certainly shouldn't be running to his defense, either.

 

[GoGrizOpponents]

In most if not all cases people are arrested for a reason.

Why bother with any sort of trial string every person arrested up and save us all the time and money.

Rape or Attempted is a charge that is very vague often and hard to prove or disprove. No one on this board really knows any details on this case nor should they till it all comes out in court. Then everyone can spew their usual bullshit that comes from all sides on this board. It is likely something has happend to trigger the initial accusation true, but was it rape? How the hell do you know unless you were there?

You and other cat fans talk shit when you have murderous drug runners in your program in the very recent past so please STFU.

Its very easy for all the internet tough guys to spew their usuall kill this guy or that guy hes guilty if accused of anything period. In real life the Univeristy has to actually follow our laws and respect the innocent until PROVEN guilty system for ALL STUDENTS in and out of state, black, white, yellow, red, etc...

All lot of the supposed anger you self righteous asshats come accross with is really misdirected. These young men and women involved in recent incidents are NOT CHILDREN! They are mostly in their early to mid 20s for christ sake! Thats a GROWN man or woman who needs to make better decisions or suffer the consequences not some 12 year olds who the teacher didnt watch carefully enough and keep in line.

Blaming the University of Montana is ridiculous for 95% of what you guys or gals talk about. Blame the men and women who created this situation in the first place. They are not CHILDREN!

As for the Montana State Internet troll asshooles and the select self righteous UM fans will not wait but will drivel on and on and on about their self annointed holiness before any real details and actual judicial process clarifies anything. MSU fans often, at least the trolls here, want to somehow feel better about themselves by attacking UM itself when grown adults who go to school here make mistakes. As for the self righteous annointed UM fans they just feel they are better than everyone else in the universe but fail to see themselves as part of the brown stuck on the bottom of the collective shoe of humanity.

That said I am not diminishing the seriousness of accusations posted just saying EVERYONE needs to let this process fully play out before anyone can form a half serious opinion. The missoulian reporter Gwen Florio really has created issues in this investigation that hopefully dont impair justice being served for any potential accused or victims. And the pitchfork mentality by real UM fans and trolling MSU assholes doesnt add a single bit of value to the outcome of this either. If you actually want to add something positive then Teach Your Own children right from wrong and stop expecting someone else to keep them in line.

did you not read my comment? Its not like I want this to happen or anything, I just find that there is a lot of hypocrisy in this board... and you are pretty biased. as i stated before, this is beyond rivalry... This is a bad mark for the state of Montana


and IMO it could easily be in most cases "guilty until proven innocent"

its a pretty rare occasion when there is falsely rape accusations (but it does happen, and its only the horror stories you hear about)and isnt the statistic like 50% of all rapes go unreported? We'll have to see how this one pans out, but you might be eating your words if there is any truth to this... the cops typically dont go around arresting random ppl on rape charges.

but its all good man take all your anger out on MSU fans... I havent been trolling at all, just been saying its a shame and pisses me off that there has been a lot of crime in the past decade between BOTH schools..

 

[PlayerRep]

If the arrest was based on a warrant, the bail amount was set by a judge prior to the warrant being served. That's typical in rape cases, or other serious crimes, that take some time and investigation before prosecutors decide to move forward with actual charges. Obviously, we will know more Monday, including what specific actions prosecutors have alleged. Until then, to say this isn't serious because more than half of rape charges get dismissed (my guess is that they are reduced to lesser charges) is just a bunch of hogwash. We shouldn't jump to persecute this young man, but we certainly shouldn't be running to his defense, either.

Thanks for info.

Did you see anyone suggest that this arrest/matter isn't "serious"?

Why don't you provide us with better stats, instead of speculating?

 

[PlayerRep]

There are various stats cited on the web indicating there are relatively few falsely reported rape allegations. However, here's a study to the contrary, showing an astounding number of false allegations.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's another false report article. It's written by a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To be clear, my provision of these articles is not any indication that the Donaldson claim is false. I'm just doing some web research and calling attention to some articles and stats.

 

[Tanker]

Ok Player I will bite. A more interesting stat would be only 8% of reported sexual assaults are falsely reported and there is some discussion that this is even a little high due to the police not believing the report. I have not been able to confirm your 54% being dropped, but it is fairly obvious why. Many people, blame the victim and so the victim is more on trial than the defendent. A common tactic of lawyers like yourself. So the victims who already are ashamed prefer to not go through the pain and be victimized again.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ok Player I will bite. A more interesting stat would be only 8% of reported sexual assaults are falsely reported and there is some discussion that this is even a little high due to the police not believing the report. I have not been able to confirm your 54% being dropped, but it is fairly obvious why. Many people, blame the victim and so the victim is more on trial than the defendent. A common tactic of lawyers like yourself. So the victims who already are ashamed prefer to not go through the pain and be victimized again.

Note that the 54% figure is merely something i ran across multiple times on the web earlier today. All the references seemed to site back to a single article/study.

Look at the second article i just linked above.

 

[grizpsych]

There are various stats cited on the web indicating there are relatively few falsely reported rape allegations. However, here's a study to the contrary, showing an astounding number of false allegations.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's another false report article. It's written by a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To be clear, my provision of these articles is not any indication that the Donaldson claim is false. I'm just doing some web research and calling attention to some articles and stats.

Holy crap, fox news and some dude that can't get published in a peer-reviewed journal. It must be true.

 

[Cats2506]

Ok Player I will bite. A more interesting stat would be only 8% of reported sexual assaults are falsely reported and there is some discussion that this is even a little high due to the police not believing the report. I have not been able to confirm your 54% being dropped, but it is fairly obvious why. Many people, blame the victim and so the victim is more on trial than the defendent. A common tactic of lawyers like yourself. So the victims who already are ashamed prefer to not go through the pain and be victimized again.

Note that the 54% figure is merely something i ran across multiple times on the web earlier today. All the references seemed to site back to a single article/study.

Look at the second article i just linked above.

In other words PR doesn't have a link because he just made it up :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

The conviction rates in the UK and Sweden are incredibly low. i didn't know that.

Here's a quote from a Washington Post article from 2008. "Around the world, rapists are rarely punished. In the United States, 13 percent of rape reports end in a conviction." The quote is on p. 4 of the 5-page article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/28/AR2008052803583.html?sid=ST2008052803640" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[catzz]

Innocent until proven guilty... It seams most people including the Missoulian take the stance that your are GUILTY until proven innocent. Rape is a very sticky situation. Only 2 people will ever know exactly what happened during the incident. Unfortunately with the role alcohol can play in some situations the 2 people may not know/remember what exactly happened in that room during the so call incident.. With excessive drinking amongst college kids, not remembering what happened the night before is becoming way too normal... For anyone saying that "GOOD KIDS DO NOT GET CHARGED OF RAPE" can flat out be wrong... SEVERAL times during college I recall both males and females telling me they do not remember what he/she did/didn't do with the other person the night before.. Unfortunately that is what a lot of college atmospheres have come too and also the reason I hope I never have have daughters and perhaps boys now after the risk of rape charges.
It is very plausible(and happens way too often) that a female/male get very intoxicated at a party, are all over each other throughout the night with plenty of contact and making out, the night comes to an end and they head home together and get in bed... They continue making out, touching each other and eventually leads to close off and intercourse.. He/She wakes up in the morning and doesn't recall anything after that last shot/beer bong they took at 12:30.. OMG they are laying next to a naked guy/girl and don't remember what happened.. Did they have sec? Why are they naked? What happened........ Did I go along with the sex? Was I passed out? Were they passed out? Oh Shit, was I raped? Did I rape them? Should I tell someone? Should I go to the police? ...................... Unfortunately situations like the one above do happen, and all to often.. All it takes is a situation like that for someones life to be in great jeopardy of rape charges.. Even though a video of the incident would have shown 2 people all drunkenly over each other, and both individuals wanting the sex to take place.

Rape is an extremely horrible thing.. There are no excuses for and it and I believe someone charged with rape should be punished to the full extent of the law and then some! However, situations like the one above should be looked at much different then the ones where a guy jumps out of the bushes and grabs a young women out on a walk and rapes her..... However, both are charged with the same thing...RAPE

I hope everyone slows and doesn't go all Missoulian on this situation. Let it play out. If Beau did rape the girl then he deserves to serve the time. However, if he didn't I hope people realize that his life will forever be blemished.. This is a bad situation for everyone involved and the media has only made it worse for both parties...

 

[PlayerRep]

Ok Player I will bite. A more interesting stat would be only 8% of reported sexual assaults are falsely reported and there is some discussion that this is even a little high due to the police not believing the report. I have not been able to confirm your 54% being dropped, but it is fairly obvious why. Many people, blame the victim and so the victim is more on trial than the defendent. A common tactic of lawyers like yourself. So the victims who already are ashamed prefer to not go through the pain and be victimized again.

Note that the 54% figure is merely something i ran across multiple times on the web earlier today. All the references seemed to site back to a single article/study.

Look at the second article i just linked above.

In other words PR doesn't have a link because he just made it up :lol:

The link was posted above, when the figure and quote were first used and cited. You're just too dumb and lazy to look.

 

[PlayerRep]

There are various stats cited on the web indicating there are relatively few falsely reported rape allegations. However, here's a study to the contrary, showing an astounding number of false allegations.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's another false report article. It's written by a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To be clear, my provision of these articles is not any indication that the Donaldson claim is false. I'm just doing some web research and calling attention to some articles and stats.

Holy crap, fox news and some dude that can't get published in a peer-reviewed journal. It must be true.

Okay, then look at the 13% conviction rate cited in the Wash Post article, linked above, and in many other articles.