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[ORGUNGRIZ]

Wow ol Dillon trying single handily block Hauck as coach. Have a read of his article!

So Dillion I suggest you complete the same in-depth research on all the Griz coaching candidates at all jobs they have. If you believe they all smell like roses your wrong Dillon.

Also please be fair Dillon and research what legal troubles Hauck teams got into at UNLV as well. While you at it do the same at SDSU as he is associate head coach there!

So, are you saying the things mentioned did not occur? What's wrong with the truth?

Not saying they didn’t happen! But if Dillon is going to do that type of an article the same research should be done on all the other candidates as well. Let’s keep it on an even level here.

My point is more that I am certain all programs across American have issues of some sort. I think more importantly is how they get dealt with. Brushed under the rug or the players held accountable and punished.

 

[PlayerRep]

What is? The story or all of the examples cited in the article? Most of you seem to forget (or are just ignorant of) the off field issues that took place under Hauck. I hope the Schnozz gets rehired. This ought to be fun.

The parts he included between 2010 and 2013 when Hauck was long gone from this place. Like, why would he include Jordan Johnson, Hauck had nothing to do with that guy.

I can't find anything about Jordan Johnson in his article. Was it updated?

Ummm.... It is in paragraph on Pat Williams

Speaking of Williams, the article omitted quotes like this that the author presumably was aware of, given what he linked. Note that Williams later apologized for his comments and backed away from them to some extent.

"Williams sent a letter, distributed to senators, apologizing that his comments about some UM football players “were so easily taken out of context.”

Senators said they had received several thousand messages from Montanans for or against Williams’ confirmation.

But Lewis said he couldn’t believe Williams as a regent made the “thug” comment, published in the New York Times and picked up by local media, when a jury was being selected in the rape trial of UM quarterback Jordan Johnson. A jury found Johnson not guilty.

“That showed to me that he was not thinking clearly or he would not have said that,” Lewis said. “That’s not acting in the way we’d expect a regent to act. I think it’s time to make a change.”

Sen. John Brenden, R-Scobey, said the critical event for him was when Williams’ former congressional chief of staff, Jim Foley, opposed his former employer’s confirmation.

“When the former chief of staff for Pat Williams came up here and testified against Pat Williams, that to me was the telling statement,” Brenden said. “People he was affiliated with are saying no.”

 

[get'em_griz]

Lmao I posted a comment directly on the article last night to say how bad of an article it was (in the nicest way possible) and they deleted the comment.

:roll:

 

[dupuyer griz]

Lmao I posted a comment directly on the article last night to say how bad of an article it was (in the nicest way possible) and they deleted the comment.

:roll:

How 1984 of them. The truth is what they say it is. It always has been. Don’t question them. Don’t make them look bad. The first amendment only applies to them and people they agree with. If we had written an article so devoid of middle ground about kato or florio it would be reported to the police as hate speech.


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[tnt]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

 

[NativeGriz]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

The only thing I don't like about the Hauck hire is the boosters involved in picking coach. This should be the ADs choice, entirely IMO. But wasn't Carlson a high school coach or something equiv. Hauck has proven himself and as others have pointed out, many past players of concern were dealt with properly. The current players better get ready for work. You might see a bit more puking during conditioning.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Lol...refusing to talk to a reporter is not a crime Dillhole.

 

[1972]

And they wonder why Bobby wouldn't give them the time of day? Sense of entitlement anyone!!

Therein lies the rub. Don't give them access, and they will crucify you. Give them all access, and they will find a way to crucify you. You have to earn their trust. Get to know them. Get them to like you. Invite some of them to a charity scramble or a pancake breakfast. Control the info. Give them some "inside info" they can publish that paints you in a positive light. Play them without them realizing they are being played. It's a brilliant dance that few are able to pull off.

I don't think it would matter what Bobby did, or how nice he was to the Missoulian, there are a few there that could care less, and wouldn't ever do Bobby any favors. Look at all of the misinformation in that article. No wonder Fake News is such a hot topic anymore. Lots of it in that article, I don't think they even care. Anything to sell a paper.

You're looking aft. Look forward. Forward to a place where the Missoulian can think it's relevant in reporting Griz Football. Forward to a place where the Missoulian gets its news from a coach that gives them something. To a place where they get a few tidbits on which PWO might get a scholarship if he keeps it up, or inconsequential nuggets regarding what the new coach is planning against Idaho. To a place where the Missoulian reporters feel wanted and appreciated. That's the thing they want. That's the thing that will get the new guy in good graces.

I agree thats what they should want. They sure have a terrible way of saying that, horrible article, all negative. Door swings both ways.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

I think it could also work the opposite way tho....surely Hauck remembers and learned from his past mistakes.....it seems like he has with the two jobs hes had since leaving Montana.

Older and wiser is my guess....

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It is understandable that the Missoulian would do whatever it takes to block Haucks hiring.....but lets not mistake that reasoning being because the Missoulian is a steward of great citizenship and all that is right with man.....

Its because theyre coverage would become even shittier with a coach that doesnt like them....

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[The.Real.2506]

If BH is selected, his first presser is going to be a riot :thumb:
I cant wait to watch the press burn him at the stake, Oh it will be fun to watch him lose to the Cats too :shock:

 

[SoldierGriz]

If BH is selected, his first presser is going to be a riot :thumb:
I cant wait to watch the press burn him at the stake, Oh it will be fun to watch him lose to the Cats too :shock:

News flash: The press is not what it once was.

Anyone (everyone) with phone can have a blog and call themselves a "journalist." Many of them post here frequently. Some are very good at it.

Get ready for a new streak to commence.

 

[Jaredkuehn]

Wow, this article is the front page headline this morning. The Missoulian is really pushing their narrative!

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Wow ol Dillon trying single handily block Hauck as coach. Have a read of his article!

So Dillion I suggest you complete the same in-depth research on all the Griz coaching candidates at all jobs they have. If you believe they all smell like roses your wrong Dillon.

Also please be fair Dillon and research what legal troubles Hauck teams got into at UNLV as well. While you at it do the same at SDSU as he is associate head coach there!

So, are you saying the things mentioned did not occur? What's wrong with the truth?

The problem here is that a significant portion of the article is not "truth" or even "reporting" -- it is opinion. Mr. Kato (or Ms. Florio) want to express the hypothesis that Hauck is responsible for all bad behavior of Griz football players, even years after he departed and the events involved players he did not recruit. If the Missoulian put it on the editorial page, I think it would be fine. But opinion is not "news" and the Missoulian is justifiably criticized for this crap.

 

[tnt]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

The only thing I don't like about the Hauck hire is the boosters involved in picking coach. This should be the ADs choice, entirely IMO. But wasn't Carlson a high school coach or something equiv. Hauck has proven himself and as others have pointed out, many past players of concern were dealt with properly. The current players better get ready for work. You might see a bit more puking during conditioning.

Gene Carlson was a high school coach at GFHS. At the time HS ball was a much bigger deal than either MSU or UM and was considered an "offensive genius" he was recruited for UM to bring his "I formation" here and when the work study scandal hit was reluctantly made head coach ( he was succeeded at GFHS by Mick Delaney) under pressure from the Boosters.

 

[Ringneck]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Really well said, Jared.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

..missoulian libs trying to take out Bobby..this should get good!

Do you know who owns the Missoulian? The same "libs" that endorsed Gianforte prior to him beating the shit out of a reporter. By the way, I too though the article was slanted and fervently hope Hauck is the next new Griz head coach.

Gianforte didn't beat the shit out of the reporter. The reporter bumped his elbow when they went to the floor. And, I'm told that what GG and his media guy said is what happened. The reporter pulled them down. GG said what he said later in the statement/settlement just to get the issue behind him, and settle any potential claim and/or long drawn out thing. The Fox News people had their backs to GG/reporter, and didn't see how it started. Just saw the guys on the ground.

"Libs" like yourself ought to be more accurate and honest.

Gianforte pled guilty to assault, which requires a knowing and voluntary admission in open court to committing the elements of the crime. A judge will not accept a guilty plea without such an admission.

You consistently defend UM players because they did not admit to guilt, or the charges were dropped, or the accused prevailed after trial. Your asssertions in this regard are well-taken.

Gianforte, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the State of Montana because of his actions and his guilty plea. Maybe he should have chosen to go to trial in order to try to clear his name, as did some former athletes. I doubt he would have a had a snowball's chance in hell, but it would have been fun to watch him try.

 

[MTGRZ]

No need to get negative about Mr. Kato, he's a reporter. Leave him alone. Bringing negativity to him will only embolden those who still think the Griz and their fans are just "thugs." He reported it, now leave it up to others to interpret. Or write your own piece explaining your views and submit it to the Missoulian.

Feel free to point out the "negative" about Mr. Kato. You can't back up what you just said, because there was nothing negative. Unlike what Mr. Kato wrote, which has mistakes, what I wrote about him is factual and from his Facebook and Twitter.

I already wrote my own "piece" for egriz. Mr. Kato is welcome to do his own piece on egriz defending his piece.

You sharing information about Mr. Kato carries an undertone of negativity. You are only interested in him because he shared (some bad, some accurate) information about past teams. I do not like that it was done. I wish he hadn't, and I hope fans see past the bias. But....focusing on him will only make Griz fans look bad.

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

 

[Raider]

......paging getgrizzy.

I know you are lurking and ready to pounce................

 

[PlayerRep]

..missoulian libs trying to take out Bobby..this should get good!

Do you know who owns the Missoulian? The same "libs" that endorsed Gianforte prior to him beating the shit out of a reporter. By the way, I too though the article was slanted and fervently hope Hauck is the next new Griz head coach.

Gianforte didn't beat the shit out of the reporter. The reporter bumped his elbow when they went to the floor. And, I'm told that what GG and his media guy said is what happened. The reporter pulled them down. GG said what he said later in the statement/settlement just to get the issue behind him, and settle any potential claim and/or long drawn out thing. The Fox News people had their backs to GG/reporter, and didn't see how it started. Just saw the guys on the ground.

"Libs" like yourself ought to be more accurate and honest.

Gianforte pled guilty to assault, which requires a knowing and voluntary admission in open court to committing the elements of the crime. A judge will not accept a guilty plea without such an admission.

You consistently defend UM players because they did not admit to guilt, or the charges were dropped, or the accused prevailed after trial. Your asssertions in this regard are well-taken.

Gianforte, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the State of Montana because of his actions and his guilty plea. Maybe he should have chosen to go to trial in order to try to clear his name, as did some former athletes. I doubt he would have a had a snowball's chance in hell, but it would have been fun to watch him try.

People plead guilty all the time to things they don't think they did, often because they are advised to do so under the circumstances or they want to put things behind them. Also, the question being addressed was how the physical part of the incident began, not whether assault occurred. Some witnesses, i.e. the Fox reporters, reported that they saw some punches thrown. I Assume those were when the guys were on the ground. That's also assault. The Fox woman also backed away from her original story and said she didn't know if GG had put his hands arounds the reporter's neck. You may want to get the facts straight, and note the inconsistencies. Go look through the records of the interviews. Yes, I understand inconsistencies in what GG has said. However, that doesn't mean the one you want to believe, is the correct. I think it's probably the other one, which was told to the police in the first interview. Obviously, neither one of us can know for sure.