Missoulians Dillon K

[StittHappened]

I went to high school with Dillon. Dude never played a lick of sports in his life & I would guess he has no interest in watching them either. He also worked at the Kaimin when Bobby was trashing them so I'm sure he doesn't hold a grudge

 

[PlayerRep]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

That perception is not correct and is not based on the facts. Even the story had multiple mistakes and omissions. If it in fact this is the perception of some people, then it is in UM's best interests to work to correct the facts and the (incorrect) perception and set the record straight.

Much of the perception problem was created by biased stories, some with incorrect information, pushed by the media, including the Missoulian, in my view. Some of them were so biased and had such an agenda, that they were wiling and able to create false perception, which was not consistent with the facts. Why should the Missoulian be allowed to publish biased and incorrect information that hurts the "perception" of the university.

I don't think this issue is causing "the delay". And, there really isn't any delay, to my knowledge. The process is proceeding.

In work and in life, I have found it very important to work to set records straight and to not allow incorrect information and incorrect perceptions to dictate or influence what people, companies, clients, universities, etc. do. It is important to stand up for what is right.

 

[MTGRZ]

This why Bobby Hauck is a risky hire for UM, or at the very least a polarizing hire. Fair or not, this article represents Bobby Hauck to a lot of Missoulians that are not football fans. We, as football fans, follow the team and follow players after these events occur. The vast majority of Montanans and alumni likely only read the headlines and form opinions based a snap judgment. The risk you run is alienating a lot of residents and alumni who are not football fans and DO get their news from the Missoulian.

I fear that a Hauck hire could be a PR disaster for UM at a critical moment in its history. It sounds like it’s as good as done, so I hope I’m wrong...but it could be bumpy ride.

Just not Missoulians, but perspective students as well, but you are dead on. My guess is this is part of the delay. Not to mention, the last time I saw the big boosters this involved in picking the new coach, we got Gene Carlson.

That perception is not correct and is not based on the facts. Even the story had multiple mistakes and omissions. If it in fact this is the perception of some people, then it is in UM's best interests to work to correct the facts and the (incorrect) perception and set the record straight.

Much of the perception problem was created by biased stories, some with incorrect information, pushed by the media, including the Missoulian, in my view. Some of them were so biased and had such an agenda, that they were wiling and able to create false perception, which was not consistent with the facts. Why should the Missoulian be allowed to publish biased and incorrect information that hurts the "perception" of the university.

I don't think this issue is causing "the delay". And, there really isn't any delay, to my knowledge. The process is proceeding.

In work and in life, I have found it very important to work to set records straight and to not allow incorrect information and incorrect perceptions to dictate or influence what people, companies, clients, universities, etc. do. It is important to stand up for what is right.

Totally agree with you PR. So how does UM go about correcting that perception?

 

[signedbewildered]

It starts with Bodnar. Engstrom never did develop a pair.

 

[PlayerRep]

Feel free to point out the "negative" about Mr. Kato. You can't back up what you just said, because there was nothing negative. Unlike what Mr. Kato wrote, which has mistakes, what I wrote about him is factual and from his Facebook and Twitter.

I already wrote my own "piece" for egriz. Mr. Kato is welcome to do his own piece on egriz defending his piece.

You sharing information about Mr. Kato carries an undertone of negativity. You are only interested in him because he shared (some bad, some accurate) information about past teams. I do not like that it was done. I wish he hadn't, and I hope fans see past the bias. But....focusing on him will only make Griz fans look bad.

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

Sorry, we don't agree. I believe in providing information and have discussions. Others posted on the writer's possible or likely bias, not me. I just posted a few things from his public bio.

I also believe in defending people against false statements and false information. I do my homework. I read the articles. People provide info to me at times. I then do posts on the subject On legal issues, I have been correct virtually every time that I defended a player. In fact, the only one I got wrong is when I knew the kid and said my instincts said that he didn't do it (or the allegation wouldn't stick). That was my instinct at the time. I was wrong. When I have looked at the record and gotten info, I believe I have been right every single time, or at least materially correct.

Lastly, I also believe UM needs to stand up to the Missoulian. UM let the BS go on too long last time, and that just allowed the Missoulian and media to create a bigger false narrative. This hurt UM and Missoula. Eventually, UM started talking to the Missoulian editors and withdrawing dollars for advertising, I was told.

 

[MTGRZ]

For what it's worth, Robby Hauck just tweeted: "Defamation."

 

['68griz]

For what it's worth, Robby Hauck just tweeted: "Defamation."

And he is 100% accurate.

 

[signedbewildered]

For what it's worth, Robby Hauck just tweeted: "Defamation."

Ha! And so it begins.....again.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Do you know who owns the Missoulian? The same "libs" that endorsed Gianforte prior to him beating the shit out of a reporter. By the way, I too though the article was slanted and fervently hope Hauck is the next new Griz head coach.

Gianforte didn't beat the shit out of the reporter. The reporter bumped his elbow when they went to the floor. And, I'm told that what GG and his media guy said is what happened. The reporter pulled them down. GG said what he said later in the statement/settlement just to get the issue behind him, and settle any potential claim and/or long drawn out thing. The Fox News people had their backs to GG/reporter, and didn't see how it started. Just saw the guys on the ground.

"Libs" like yourself ought to be more accurate and honest.

Gianforte pled guilty to assault, which requires a knowing and voluntary admission in open court to committing the elements of the crime. A judge will not accept a guilty plea without such an admission.

You consistently defend UM players because they did not admit to guilt, or the charges were dropped, or the accused prevailed after trial. Your asssertions in this regard are well-taken.

Gianforte, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the State of Montana because of his actions and his guilty plea. Maybe he should have chosen to go to trial in order to try to clear his name, as did some former athletes. I doubt he would have a had a snowball's chance in hell, but it would have been fun to watch him try.

People plead guilty all the time to things they don't think they did, often because they are advised to do so under the circumstances or they want to put things behind them. Also, the question being addressed was how the physical part of the incident began, not whether assault occurred. Some witnesses, i.e. the Fox reporters, reported that they saw some punches thrown. I Assume those were when the guys were on the ground. That's also assault. The Fox woman also backed away from her original story and said she didn't know if GG had put his hands arounds the reporter's neck. You may want to get the facts straight, and note the inconsistencies. Go look through the records of the interviews. Yes, I understand inconsistencies in what GG has said. However, that doesn't mean the one you want to believe, is the correct. I think it's probably the other one, which was told to the police in the first interview. Obviously, neither one of us can know for sure.

If "neither one of us can know for sure", I suggest you refrain from questioning the "honesty" of those who disagree with you. The record shows that Gianforte did assault the reporter and he admitted it.

 

[bigsky33]

Feel free to point out the "negative" about Mr. Kato. You can't back up what you just said, because there was nothing negative. Unlike what Mr. Kato wrote, which has mistakes, what I wrote about him is factual and from his Facebook and Twitter.

I already wrote my own "piece" for egriz. Mr. Kato is welcome to do his own piece on egriz defending his piece.

You sharing information about Mr. Kato carries an undertone of negativity. You are only interested in him because he shared (some bad, some accurate) information about past teams. I do not like that it was done. I wish he hadn't, and I hope fans see past the bias. But....focusing on him will only make Griz fans look bad.

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

I agree with you MTGRIZ. By going after the reporter people are just re-enforcing of the "win at all costs" culture. Hiring Hauck will bring to attention all the negatives that happened during his last stint whether right or wrong. His hiring will make Bodnar's job tougher. While if hired it will make those on EGRIZ happy, it is going to be a negative with a lot of people around the State. People are saying "here we go again"!

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Overall I think most people will perceive this as a biased agenda driven article full of half truths. It seems it was written to sabotage Hauck's hiring but I think in large part it may be harming the Missoulian more. It should have been written with both sides of the story i.e. what discipline was handed out in those situations and why. What was the final decision on what the misbehavior was and the punishment that went with it. Furthermore, how silly will they look when Hauck is hired (if he is) and they have to approach him for articles or not cover the football team. I wouldnt blame Hauck for having animosity toward them which they would deserve but I bet Bobby would be the bigger person and be professional. Hopefully the Missoulian would be too.

 

[The.Real.2506]

If BH is selected, his first presser is going to be a riot :thumb:
I cant wait to watch the press burn him at the stake, Oh it will be fun to watch him lose to the Cats too :shock:

News flash: The press is not what it once was.

Anyone (everyone) with phone can have a blog and call themselves a "journalist." Many of them post here frequently. Some are very good at it.

Get ready for a new streak to commence.

I am not making any argument about the validity of the story, but it is the main sports story today, If you think bloggers will overcome the negativity, remember there will be bloggers against BH every step of the way. You have seen that there are forces already beginning the attack on him. Do you think it will stop when he is hired? How do you think they will react for every player that steps out of line no matter how minor the infraction?

These forces aligned against BH are the same ones that went after your program before, you finally have it cooled down and you are lighting the fires again. Does your program really need the distractions.

I am not saying it is fair, just that this is the world we live in today.

 

[The.Real.2506]

You sharing information about Mr. Kato carries an undertone of negativity. You are only interested in him because he shared (some bad, some accurate) information about past teams. I do not like that it was done. I wish he hadn't, and I hope fans see past the bias. But....focusing on him will only make Griz fans look bad.

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

I agree with you MTGRIZ. By going after the reporter people are just re-enforcing of the "win at all costs" culture. Hiring Hauck will bring to attention all the negatives that happened during his last stint whether right or wrong. His hiring will make Bodnar's job tougher. While if hired it will make those on EGRIZ happy, it is going to be a negative with a lot of people around the State. People are saying "here we go again"!

Why do they not see this?
I think hiring BH will be the final nail in the coffin of fizz football. God I hope they are that stupid.

 

[PlayerRep]

Gianforte didn't beat the shit out of the reporter. The reporter bumped his elbow when they went to the floor. And, I'm told that what GG and his media guy said is what happened. The reporter pulled them down. GG said what he said later in the statement/settlement just to get the issue behind him, and settle any potential claim and/or long drawn out thing. The Fox News people had their backs to GG/reporter, and didn't see how it started. Just saw the guys on the ground.

"Libs" like yourself ought to be more accurate and honest.

Gianforte pled guilty to assault, which requires a knowing and voluntary admission in open court to committing the elements of the crime. A judge will not accept a guilty plea without such an admission.

You consistently defend UM players because they did not admit to guilt, or the charges were dropped, or the accused prevailed after trial. Your asssertions in this regard are well-taken.

Gianforte, on the other hand, is an embarrassment to the State of Montana because of his actions and his guilty plea. Maybe he should have chosen to go to trial in order to try to clear his name, as did some former athletes. I doubt he would have a had a snowball's chance in hell, but it would have been fun to watch him try.

People plead guilty all the time to things they don't think they did, often because they are advised to do so under the circumstances or they want to put things behind them. Also, the question being addressed was how the physical part of the incident began, not whether assault occurred. Some witnesses, i.e. the Fox reporters, reported that they saw some punches thrown. I Assume those were when the guys were on the ground. That's also assault. The Fox woman also backed away from her original story and said she didn't know if GG had put his hands arounds the reporter's neck. You may want to get the facts straight, and note the inconsistencies. Go look through the records of the interviews. Yes, I understand inconsistencies in what GG has said. However, that doesn't mean the one you want to believe, is the correct. I think it's probably the other one, which was told to the police in the first interview. Obviously, neither one of us can know for sure.

If "neither one of us can know for sure", I suggest you refrain from questioning the "honesty" of those who disagree with you. The record shows that Gianforte did assault the reporter and he admitted it.

Below is what GG told the police, and it is what I said in this thread, in response to your saying, incorrectly, that he "beat the shit out of a reporter". He didn't, and you have zero basis for saying that. Again, my point was not about whether assault occurred or not; it was about how it started. Let the record show that I was correct in what I said, and you were wrong. I said nothing about anyone's honestly, but your posts and inaccuracies are starting to move in that direction.

"I reached out for his phone…he grabbed my wrist, he spun and we ended up on the floor…so he pulled me down on top of him.” From police recording of interview with GG following the incident.

 

[bigsky33]

Overall I think most people will perceive this as a biased agenda driven article full of half truths. It seems it was written to sabotage Hauck's hiring but I think in large part it may be harming the Missoulian more. It should have been written with both sides of the story i.e. what discipline was handed out in those situations and why. What was the final decision on what the misbehavior was and the punishment that went with it. Furthermore, how silly will they look when Hauck is hired (if he is) and they have to approach him for articles or not cover the football team. I wouldnt blame Hauck for having animosity toward them which they would deserve but I bet Bobby would be the bigger person and be professional. Hopefully the Missoulian would be too.

I think you are wrong. Most people are aware these things happened and that the bottom line in each case pointed out by the Missoulian that overall it was not good for the University. I think people will agree with the Missoulian that there were too many incidents that happened under Haucks term and bringing him back is not a good thing for a University that is really struggling financially due in a large part because of these negatives.

 

[PlayerRep]

You sharing information about Mr. Kato carries an undertone of negativity. You are only interested in him because he shared (some bad, some accurate) information about past teams. I do not like that it was done. I wish he hadn't, and I hope fans see past the bias. But....focusing on him will only make Griz fans look bad.

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

I agree with you MTGRIZ. By going after the reporter people are just re-enforcing of the "win at all costs" culture. Hiring Hauck will bring to attention all the negatives that happened during his last stint whether right or wrong. His hiring will make Bodnar's job tougher. While if hired it will make those on EGRIZ happy, it is going to be a negative with a lot of people around the State. People are saying "here we go again"!

Oh, BS. No one is going to listen to the Missoulian this time. Bodnar has heard many positive things about Hauck, including from me.

 

[PlayerRep]

If BH is selected, his first presser is going to be a riot :thumb:
I cant wait to watch the press burn him at the stake, Oh it will be fun to watch him lose to the Cats too :shock:

News flash: The press is not what it once was.

Anyone (everyone) with phone can have a blog and call themselves a "journalist." Many of them post here frequently. Some are very good at it.

Get ready for a new streak to commence.

I am not making any argument about the validity of the story, but it is the main sports story today, If you think bloggers will overcome the negativity, remember there will be bloggers against BH every step of the way. You have seen that there are forces already beginning the attack on him. Do you think it will stop when he is hired? How do you think they will react for every player that steps out of line no matter how minor the infraction?

These forces aligned against BH are the same ones that went after your program before, you finally have it cooled down and you are lighting the fires again. Does your program really need the distractions.

I am not saying it is fair, just that this is the world we live in today.

Who cares about some "bloggers" who don't know what they are talking about? Most people are perfectly happy or fine with having Hauck return.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Awesome thread. Keep up the great work.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, my posting of public info from his Facebook/Twitter does not carry any negative tone at all, and nothing negative was said. I am just pointing out info that I read about him. You have no knowledge of why I posted it, or what I think of him, but you are right that he posted incorrect information. That's crappy reporting, in my view. Yours too?

You are biased and wrong, and have misanalysed this situation.

Posting public info is not "focusing" on him. Posting pubic info will not make Griz fans look bad. You are just making yourself look biased, and bad, is my view.

Looks like you are Helena, so assume you are not Kato's dad. Are you a relative?

I have no relation to Kato. I am just pointing out truths that you apparently do not want to hear. I am a lifelong Griz fan, a graduate from the University of Montana, and a former student athlete at UM. What you do not seem to understand is that by focusing on the writer of the story, and the newspapers that publish the story-instead of some of the poor choices by former football players-you are reinforcing the negative views of the team that so many Missoulians already have.

They see things like what you have posted and automatically think you favor the team over justice.They think you are making excuses for the players poor choices. I am not accusing you of that. I too love the Griz, and I strongly believe they get an unfair reputation in Missoula. I am simply pointing out that an entrenched, combative attitude towards those who do not like the football team will only create more distrust and animosity from them towards the University.

You are correct-I don't have knowledge of why you posted the information, or what you think of Mr. Kato. But I do believe that in 2017 most people don't care. They already have their opinions and when they see people getting upset over what a reporter has written, they will assume you don't think the players are at fault, and they will assume you would rather see wins than student athletes with good character.

Again, I do not believe them, I do not believe this was good journalism, and I believe you have good intentions and probably some good information. But I think giving any shred of attention to the writer of this piece will only create more distrust and bad relations between the team and the city of Missoula.

I agree with you MTGRIZ. By going after the reporter people are just re-enforcing of the "win at all costs" culture. Hiring Hauck will bring to attention all the negatives that happened during his last stint whether right or wrong. His hiring will make Bodnar's job tougher. While if hired it will make those on EGRIZ happy, it is going to be a negative with a lot of people around the State. People are saying "here we go again"!

Why do they not see this?
I think hiring BH will be the final nail in the coffin of fizz football. God I hope they are that stupid.

Ha, ha. Real funny, Troll.

 

[The.Real.2506]

If BH is selected, his first presser is going to be a riot :thumb:
I cant wait to watch the press burn him at the stake, Oh it will be fun to watch him lose to the Cats too :shock:

News flash: The press is not what it once was.

Anyone (everyone) with phone can have a blog and call themselves a "journalist." Many of them post here frequently. Some are very good at it.

Get ready for a new streak to commence.

I am not making any argument about the validity of the story, but it is the main sports story today, If you think bloggers will overcome the negativity, remember there will be bloggers against BH every step of the way. You have seen that there are forces already beginning the attack on him. Do you think it will stop when he is hired? How do you think they will react for every player that steps out of line no matter how minor the infraction?

These forces aligned against BH are the same ones that went after your program before, you finally have it cooled down and you are lighting the fires again. Does your program really need the distractions.

I am not saying it is fair, just that this is the world we live in today.

Who cares about some "bloggers" who don't know what they are talking about? Most people are perfectly happy or fine with having Hauck return.

The poster I replied referenced the bloggers.

you can go back in the corner now :thumb: