Loser of the Brawl out?

[OlPonyQB]

Winner In....Loser Out.... because Griz and SUU didn't play head to head.

 

[get'em_griz]

What I find hysterical is that some people think if we beat the Cats, we will get a seed (which is probably accurate) but if we lose, we are out. How in the world do you go from getting a seed to not being in the playoffs?!

This is like :dead: . The Griz are in the playoffs no matter what now. Conference record doesn't matter. It's the overall record, and there are not enough teams in the top 25 that will have a better record than the Griz to keep them out.

 

[stubbins]

What I find hysterical is that some people think if we beat the Cats, we will get a seed (which is probably accurate) but if we lose, we are out. How in the world do you go from getting a seed to not being in the playoffs?!

This is like :dead: . The Griz are in the playoffs no matter what now. Conference record doesn't matter. It's the overall record, and there are not enough teams in the top 25 that will have a better record than the Griz to keep them out.

It's not so much about the scats, as it is about suu result. This could've all been put to bed had the scats taken care of business...
Then a win or loss against the scats wouldn't have mattered.

 

[uofmman1122]

What I find hysterical is that some people think if we beat the Cats, we will get a seed (which is probably accurate) but if we lose, we are out. How in the world do you go from getting a seed to not being in the playoffs?!

This is like :dead: . The Griz are in the playoffs no matter what now. Conference record doesn't matter. It's the overall record, and there are not enough teams in the top 25 that will have a better record than the Griz to keep them out.

It's not so much about the scats, as it is about suu result. This could've all been put to bed had the scats taken care of business...
Then a win or loss against the scats wouldn't have mattered.

But it still doesn't.

All SUU did was make it easier for them to make it in over the Cats.

Win or lose, UM is in the playoffs.

Period.

 

[Eriul]

God why are people using suus outcome to determine whether the griz get in. The only way the griz doesn't get in is if we get beat by like a zillion and then engstrom shoots our qb. There is nooooo way the griz aren't locked in and for all you regards out there who think 5 big sky teams can't get in are dumb. Sports network wrote about this very likely possibility last week.

 

[marceagfan5]

What I find hysterical is that some people think if we beat the Cats, we will get a seed (which is probably accurate) but if we lose, we are out. How in the world do you go from getting a seed to not being in the playoffs?!

This is like :dead: . The Griz are in the playoffs no matter what now. Conference record doesn't matter. It's the overall record, and there are not enough teams in the top 25 that will have a better record than the Griz to keep them out.

It's not so much about the scats, as it is about suu result. This could've all been put to bed had the scats taken care of business...
Then a win or loss against the scats wouldn't have mattered.

But it still doesn't.

All SUU did was make it easier for them to make it in over the Cats.

Win or lose, UM is in the playoffs.

Period.

I think the Griz are in no matter what with a loss, but here is the argument.

If SUU and MSU win, both possibilities as they are playing at home, that leaves the Griz in 5th place in the Big Sky

EWU would be 3-0 vs the top 5
MSU would be 2-1 vs the top 5
NAU would be 1-2 vs the top 5
SUU would be 2-1 vs the top 5
GRIZ would be 0-3 vs the top 5

The argument would be MSU and NAU would be in over the Griz due to head to head wins and a better conference record.

Not saying its going to happen, but there is an argument to be made. NAU was left out with only 3 losses last year including an FBS win. I know 4 more teams are in the playoffs this year, but I believe that accommodates 1 or 2 more conferences with an autobid.

Take Care of business Saturday and it doesn't matter...

 

[Eriul]

They won't look at our standings in conference when deciding which teams get in.

 

['68griz]

They won't look at our standings in conference when deciding which teams get in.

This. Conference standings do nothing but determine the AQ's. After that, it's overall records. Anyway, that's how it's been in the past. Even if the Griz were to lose (which I don't think is going to happen), I can't image the NCAA bypassing the 9-3 record and the good crowd(s) they would get for playoff game(s) at Montana.

 

[Potomac Griz]

True the conference record really doesn't matter. I also agree that the Griz always drawing well probably does help...even if the committee doesn't want to admit it. However if we end up with 5 teams from the Big Sky that have good arguments for being included in the tournament (if SUU and the Cats win) who gets left out?

I agree with Havgrizfan earlier that they won't take 5 teams from the Big Sky.

Now don't get me wrong... I think it's unlikely the Griz will be left out. I'm bolding that part because people will jump my shit for even hinting about it making it sound like I think the Griz will be left out. I don't think they'll be left out! I'm just saying that it is a slight possibility and the best way to make sure that doesn't happen is to beat the Cats

How is it a possibility?

EWU is in of course.
SUU would be 9-3 with 1 FBS loss, an FBS win and a win over the Cats.
NAU would be 8-3 with an FBS loss and a win over the Griz and a win over SUU.
MSU would be 8-4 with an FBS loss, a win over the Griz, and a win over NAU.
The Griz would be 9-3 with no FBS win or loss, no wins over "top" teams, and the best win being over Cal Poly.

Who gets left out? I don't think there's a chance in hell they take all 5 Big Sky teams. So lets say they take 4 (it's possible the only take 3!). SUU and EWU get in. That leaves 2 slots left for NAU/MSU/Griz Which one of those 3 gets the snub?

If I had to guess, I'd guess MSU. Their bad loss to SFA might be a killer for them. Combine that with their blowout loss to EWU and losing at home to SUU and you have a team that finished the season on a down note.

We do have to remember the committee sometimes makes decisions that make people wonder WTF though.... Like NAU's snub last year when they were 8-3 with an FBS win and an FBS loss. Or like Richmond who got snubbed last year in the CAA at 8-3 (with an FBS loss). They had a win over Villanova (8-3) who got into the playoffs with the auto-bid and finished the season winning 4 in a row.

Best way to make sure there's not even a slight chance of being snubbed like that is to take care of business on Saturday! Then we can sit back and relax...or at least relax somewhat as we wait to see if we have a first round bye or not. Much rather be wondering about that than wondering about even a 5% chance of a snub.

 

[PlayerRep]

True the conference record really doesn't matter. I also agree that the Griz always drawing well probably does help...even if the committee doesn't want to admit it. However if we end up with 5 teams from the Big Sky that have good arguments for being included in the tournament (if SUU and the Cats win) who gets left out?

I agree with Havgrizfan earlier that they won't take 5 teams from the Big Sky.

Now don't get me wrong... I think it's unlikely the Griz will be left out. I'm bolding that part because people will jump my shit for even hinting about it making it sound like I think the Griz will be left out. I don't think they'll be left out! I'm just saying that it is a slight possibility and the best way to make sure that doesn't happen is to beat the Cats

How is it a possibility?

EWU is in of course.
SUU would be 9-3 with 1 FBS loss, an FBS win and a win over the Cats.
NAU would be 8-3 with an FBS loss and a win over the Griz and a win over SUU.
MSU would be 8-4 with an FBS loss, a win over the Griz, and a win over NAU.
The Griz would be 9-3 with no FBS win or loss, no wins over "top" teams, and the best win being over Cal Poly.

Who gets left out? I don't think there's a chance in hell they take all 5 Big Sky teams. So lets say they take 4 (it's possible the only take 3!). SUU and EWU get in. That leaves 2 slots left for NAU/MSU/Griz Which one of those 3 gets the snub?

If I had to guess, I'd guess MSU. Their bad loss to SFA might be a killer for them. Combine that with their blowout loss to EWU and losing at home to SUU and you have a team that finished the season on a down note.

We do have to remember the committee sometimes makes decisions that make people wonder WTF though.... Like NAU's snub last year when they were 8-3 with an FBS win and an FBS loss. Or like Richmond who got snubbed last year in the CAA at 8-3 (with an FBS loss). They had a win over Villanova (8-3) who got into the playoffs with the auto-bid and finished the season winning 4 in a row.

Best way to make sure there's not even a slight chance of being snubbed like that is to take care of business on Saturday! Then we can sit back and relax...or at least relax somewhat as we wait to see if we have a first round bye or not. Much rather be wondering about that than wondering about even a 5% chance of a snub.

The possible flaw in your argument is assuming the committee wouldn't take 5 teams. I'm pretty sure the committee took 5 teams from the CAA in the past (even tho the CAA didn't have 13 teams). In your above scenario, there would be a good case for taking 5 teams, depending, of course, what happened in other conferences. Without the Cat loss to SU, UM probably would have had zero to be concerned about.

 

[stubbins]

They won't look at our standings in conference when deciding which teams get in.

This. Conference standings do nothing but determine the AQ's. After that, it's overall records. Anyway, that's how it's been in the past. Even if the Griz were to lose (which I don't think is going to happen), I can't image the NCAA bypassing the 9-3 record and the good crowd(s) they would get for playoff game(s) at Montana.

I don't see a 9-3 Griz not making it either, and the other fcs schedule how out I think, but I don't know if it's a lock.

 

[Eriul]

Omfg... STOP Asking which team will be left out. The committee will take 13 teams from the big sky if they deserve it. Why must we look at suu when it comes to our bid? Fact of the matter is suu's outcome does not effect our bid

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

My assumption if the Cats beat the Griz...Griz most likely the 4th or 5th BSC team. No way the Griz are picked before EWU (auto), NAU, or MSU in that scenario (lost to all) and not sure when compared to SUU. SUU has a win @ MSU and at a FBS. If SUU beats NAU, Griz could be the 5th team from BSC. Best thing is for the Griz to win.

The Conference records don't mean SHIT except for the autobid...which EWU gets..when are you guys gonna drop this...as soon as your not the Auto bid...it becomes YOU vs every other non conference winner....it doesn't matter if the griz lost to NAU or if they do to MSU..we are in....The committee doesn't get to a point and go ohh shit..well we think the Griz should be here..but oh we already have 4 BSC teams...well I guess we have to put in a 3rd team from the Southland...wake up people.

 

[Eriul]

My assumption if the Cats beat the Griz...Griz most likely the 4th or 5th BSC team. No way the Griz are picked before EWU (auto), NAU, or MSU in that scenario (lost to all) and not sure when compared to SUU. SUU has a win @ MSU and at a FBS. If SUU beats NAU, Griz could be the 5th team from BSC. Best thing is for the Griz to win.

The Conference records don't mean SHIT except for the autobid...which EWU gets..when are you guys gonna drop this...as soon as your not the Auto bid...it becomes YOU vs every other non conference winner....it doesn't matter if the griz lost to NAU or if they do to MSU..we are in....The committee doesn't get to a point and go ohh shit..well we think the Griz should be here..but oh we already have 4 BSC teams...well I guess we have to put in a 3rd team from the Southland...wake up people.

Nah dude were locked in with 4 teams it's impossible to get 5!


But seriously thank you. I'm so tired of people arguing that the #5 ranked team would somehow be left out with 1 more loss to another high ranked team.





24 teams guys! 24! That's a lot!

 

[Fahque]

 

[Brock Landers]

People analyzing the records of the different Big Sky teams need to realize that that doesn't mean shit. You're being compared to the rest of the FCS field, and in that regard, we are a mortal lock because the field is so weak and thin at the top

1) AQ - MVFC (NDSU)
2) AQ - Big Sky (EWU)
3) AQ - Southland (SELU)
4) AQ - Southern (Chatty/Samford/Furman)
5) AQ - CAA (Maine)
6) AQ - MEAC (BCU/SCSU)
7) AQ - Big South (CCU/CSU)
8) AQ - NEC (Sacred Heart/Duquesne)
9) AQ - PL (Lehigh/Lafayette)
10) AQ - PFL (Butler/Marist)
11) AQ - OVC (EIU)
12) Towson (9-2)
13) McNeese State (9-2)
14) Northern Arizona (8-2)
15) Sam Houston State (8-3)
16) Fordham (10-1)
17) Montana (9-2)
18) YSU (8-3)
19) CCU (10-1)/CSU (10-2)
20) Southern Utah (8-3)
21) Chatty (8-3) / Samford (7-4)
22) Tennesse State (9-3)
23) ??
24) ??
25) ??

(that is not representing the seeds)

Possible final additions with 7-8 wins

SDSU, MSU, Delaware, W&M, JMU, UNH, Central Arkansas

Possible final mid-major additions with 8-10 wins

Liberty, Jacksonville State, MEAC 2nd place team,

 

[Grizzlies1982]

People analyzing the records of the different Big Sky teams need to realize that that doesn't mean shit. You're being compared to the rest of the FCS field, and in that regard, we are a mortal lock because the field is so weak and thin at the top

1) AQ - MVFC (NDSU)
2) AQ - Big Sky (EWU)
3) AQ - Southland (SELU)
4) AQ - Southern (Chatty/Samford/Furman)
5) AQ - CAA (Maine)
6) AQ - MEAC (BCU/SCSU)
7) AQ - Big South (CCU/CSU)
8) AQ - NEC (Sacred Heart/Duquesne)
9) AQ - PL (Lehigh/Lafayette)
10) AQ - PFL (Butler/Marist)
11) AQ - OVC (EIU)
12) Towson (9-2)
13) McNeese State (9-2)
14) Northern Arizona (8-2)
15) Sam Houston State (8-3)
16) Fordham (10-1)
17) Montana (9-2)
18) YSU (8-3)
19) CCU (10-1)/CSU (10-2)
20) Southern Utah (8-3)
21) Chatty (8-3) / Samford (7-4)
22) Tennesse State (9-3)
23) ??
24) ??
25) ??

(that is not representing the seeds)

Possible final additions with 7-8 wins

SDSU, MSU, Delaware, W&M, JMU, UNH, Central Arkansas

Possible final mid-major additions with 8-10 wins

Liberty, Jacksonville State, MEAC 2nd place team,

Brock sketched this out well. A conference record means nothing. Though your conference does matter. A 9-3 team from a weak conference is apt to get snubbed. The Big Sky isn't the top ranked conference but it won't hurt a 9-3 team's chances. In essence it comes down to how many wins does the team have. Then how many of those are D1. Also how many wins/losses are versus FBS teams can factor in. With 9 wins our Grizzlies are in the playoffs. Though our guys need another win in Bozeman if we are to have a chance for a first round bye! At this point in the season having that bye week would be huge! Go Griz. :ugeek:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

My assumption if the Cats beat the Griz...Griz most likely the 4th or 5th BSC team. No way the Griz are picked before EWU (auto), NAU, or MSU in that scenario (lost to all) and not sure when compared to SUU. SUU has a win @ MSU and at a FBS. If SUU beats NAU, Griz could be the 5th team from BSC. Best thing is for the Griz to win.

The Conference records don't mean SHIT except for the autobid...which EWU gets..when are you guys gonna drop this...as soon as your not the Auto bid...it becomes YOU vs every other non conference winner....it doesn't matter if the griz lost to NAU or if they do to MSU..we are in....The committee doesn't get to a point and go ohh shit..well we think the Griz should be here..but oh we already have 4 BSC teams...well I guess we have to put in a 3rd team from the Southland...wake up people.

I don't think he means that the Griz would be 5th in the Big Sky by record. I think he means that when comparing the 5 teams, you could come to the conclusion that UM is the 5th best Big Sky team in line for a playoff berth. The conference records would still be used as a comparison tool. It also seems that he does not say 5 BSC teams will not be chosen.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

The committee would take sdsu, liberty, wm, centeral ark before the cats in my personal opinion.

 

[Potomac Griz]

True the conference record really doesn't matter. I also agree that the Griz always drawing well probably does help...even if the committee doesn't want to admit it. However if we end up with 5 teams from the Big Sky that have good arguments for being included in the tournament (if SUU and the Cats win) who gets left out?

I agree with Havgrizfan earlier that they won't take 5 teams from the Big Sky.

Now don't get me wrong... I think it's unlikely the Griz will be left out. I'm bolding that part because people will jump my shit for even hinting about it making it sound like I think the Griz will be left out. I don't think they'll be left out! I'm just saying that it is a slight possibility and the best way to make sure that doesn't happen is to beat the Cats

How is it a possibility?

EWU is in of course.
SUU would be 9-3 with 1 FBS loss, an FBS win and a win over the Cats.
NAU would be 8-3 with an FBS loss and a win over the Griz and a win over SUU.
MSU would be 8-4 with an FBS loss, a win over the Griz, and a win over NAU.
The Griz would be 9-3 with no FBS win or loss, no wins over "top" teams, and the best win being over Cal Poly.

Who gets left out? I don't think there's a chance in hell they take all 5 Big Sky teams. So lets say they take 4 (it's possible the only take 3!). SUU and EWU get in. That leaves 2 slots left for NAU/MSU/Griz Which one of those 3 gets the snub?

If I had to guess, I'd guess MSU. Their bad loss to SFA might be a killer for them. Combine that with their blowout loss to EWU and losing at home to SUU and you have a team that finished the season on a down note.

We do have to remember the committee sometimes makes decisions that make people wonder WTF though.... Like NAU's snub last year when they were 8-3 with an FBS win and an FBS loss. Or like Richmond who got snubbed last year in the CAA at 8-3 (with an FBS loss). They had a win over Villanova (8-3) who got into the playoffs with the auto-bid and finished the season winning 4 in a row.

Best way to make sure there's not even a slight chance of being snubbed like that is to take care of business on Saturday! Then we can sit back and relax...or at least relax somewhat as we wait to see if we have a first round bye or not. Much rather be wondering about that than wondering about even a 5% chance of a snub.

The possible flaw in your argument is assuming the committee wouldn't take 5 teams. I'm pretty sure the committee took 5 teams from the CAA in the past (even tho the CAA didn't have 13 teams). In your above scenario, there would be a good case for taking 5 teams, depending, of course, what happened in other conferences. Without the Cat loss to SU, UM probably would have had zero to be concerned about.

I could definitely be wrong that they wouldn't take 5 teams. I just personally don't think that it has a chance of happening. The Big Sky from what we've seen posted before isn't as highly of a ranked conference as it used to be...so 5 teams would be very unlikely. Who knows though, stranger things have happened. I do agree that in the above scenario it would make a very good case for them taking 5 teams. IF that scenario happened, I'd love to see 5 teams in the playoffs. The more Big Sky teams in the playoffs the better!

I also agree that if the Cats would have taken care of SUU then the Griz would've had very little to be concerned about. That was one of the reasons I was hoping the Cats would win that game.

As for the CAA, you are right. In 2007 UMass, NH, Richmond, JMU and Delaware were all in the playoffs. 3 of them got knocked out by App State. Even the CAA though has had some good deserving teams snubbed lately, like Richmond at 8-3 last year.

Either way, beat the Cats and there's no doubt! With a loss to the Cats and an SUU win there's probably little doubt that we get in the playoffs, but when the decision is in the hands of a bunch of people behind a closed door strange things sometimes happen. Don't want to be this year's Richmond or NAU, so hopefully we'll take care of business!