Deny that we won? We did. I'm pretty sure it's in the official records that we did. Why would I deny that?
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Let's see your preseason polls
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Monymony
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I am no referee as I’m sure the rest of us aren’t but that sure seems like a defensive holding call.
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ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING
It is a foul for defensive holding if:
- a defensive player tackles or holds any opponent other than a runner, except as permitted in Article 5.
- during a punt, field goal attempt, or Try-kick attempt, B1 grabs and pulls an offensive player out of the way, allowing B2 to shoot the gap (pull-and-shoot) in an attempt to block the kick, except if B1 is advancing toward the kicker.”
HelenaHandBasket
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Which isn't what happened. There are several videos that show it better. I actually know a few people associated with the NDSU program, and on that play, the kid is literally coached to play for a penalty flag if the corner doesn't bite on the end around. Heck, the NDSU kid didn't even try to sell it until the play was over.
I've seen that argument made. Was it a hold or was it a good block? I don't see him holding on to anything. I see a DB keeping his position and a TE losing his footing, but I don't see the DB holding on to anything illegally there.
You've mentioned to me before that you know an offensive lineman that is an FCS level player. Ask him if that was holding. I'm not being snippy, I'd love to hear his thoughts.
Also, if we are all honest, refs could call holding on at least half the plays in a game if they wanted. (this wasn't one of them, though). They try to only do it if it actually effected the play. Go look at Gubner's jersey against SDSU in the national championship. He was obviously being held a LOT or a jersey doesn't tear like that. We aren't out here complaining.
Monymony
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This is my take…
1. UM
Going to be ranked high off of last season but they lost the qb who changed their season, their best OL players, Gubner, and other significant defensive talent. They replaced big time through portal but those players also have question marks. If the gris can use their talented wr core and solid rbs they could be a phenomenal offense but they will need a good qb and a solid OL which have questions.
2. MSU
Didn’t graduate many but lost some of their top talent on OL and DL. I think the portal losses have been replaced but those players can have question marks. Possibly the best OL and best RB core in the FCS should result in a strong run offense but they will need to pass to become the best team. The defense has some question marks but the cats return lots of top defensive players.
3. Davis
4. Idaho
5. Sac
6. NAU
7. Weber
8. Idaho St
9. EW
10. PSU
11. Cal Poly
12. Northern Colorado
1. UM
Going to be ranked high off of last season but they lost the qb who changed their season, their best OL players, Gubner, and other significant defensive talent. They replaced big time through portal but those players also have question marks. If the gris can use their talented wr core and solid rbs they could be a phenomenal offense but they will need a good qb and a solid OL which have questions.
2. MSU
Didn’t graduate many but lost some of their top talent on OL and DL. I think the portal losses have been replaced but those players can have question marks. Possibly the best OL and best RB core in the FCS should result in a strong run offense but they will need to pass to become the best team. The defense has some question marks but the cats return lots of top defensive players.
3. Davis
4. Idaho
5. Sac
6. NAU
7. Weber
8. Idaho St
9. EW
10. PSU
11. Cal Poly
12. Northern Colorado
Monymony
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Yeah I’m no referee but as a biased fan that looked like hold but who knows. I also think if they called this then WaGris might’ve killed the guy. Gub gets held all the time and we all know tons of offensive holding never gets called… but in that case it wouldn’t have changed the game like the NDSU UM holding call would’ve.
Yea, I just don't see the hold. I see good coverage. The DB/LB still has a right to his position, and they were keeping their position without grabbing at all, in my view. They don't just have to move out of the way, the TE needed to make a move and he just didn't even attempt to actually make a move and get open, he just kind of ran into the coverage and fell down.
You're right that we are both biased, though, and that's all good. I definitely am, so no judgement. But I don't think my eyes are lying to me.
Also, WaGriz wouldn't have killed the guy. Just a light beating. Very few weapons. We aren't monsters.
oldrunner
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My wild assed guess is that UM and MSU are clearly the class of the league. After that the water gets a bit murky. After those two, I would say it's a crap shoot between Davis, Weber, Sac and UI. The rest will be scrambling to not finish in the cellar. Clearly ISU and NOCO are teams that showed improvement on the field. Maybe not in the win column, but were much more competitive. Some of the others are just train wrecks.
That's some classic loser bub whining right there. Lil brother strikes again!
It wasn’t holding. The TE was blocking.
You're wasting your time talking basic football to a troll.
Honest to God, he's not trolling. I'm not saying he is right at all, but he believes it. We talked a bit, I know some people he knows and where he is from. Just young and hyper biased.
It was also a free play for Bergen. That was one of the smartest plays of the year. The cats would have put Bergen at qb.
After reading some incredibly weak barbs and some piss poor rationale from the bub faithful, the only conclusion I can make is it takes about 7-8 months for the kittens to either lick their wounds or forget what happened in November. All seem to be feeling themselves a little bit too much after last years failures.
garizzalies
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Yea if anything, it’s OPI.
The TE was the one who tried to rip through and throw Walker down; it just backfired on the TE
Hey, I'm appreciating the weak barbs. I think they are going with the flow of the much chiller egriz scene lately.
Yup.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
I said, at 8-4, the Cats weren't very good last season. Are you saying that 8-4 and loss of the first playoff game at home, is what you consider a good season? However, I had first asked why the Cats would be better this year. You and others have not been able to say why the Cats would be better this season. Someone said new OC/DC's might make them better. I'm not looking for "might" stuff. Explain why the Cats will be better this season, and provide specific support. Otherwise, quit wasting our time.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
Your o-line is small. Do any top FCS teams have o-lines that small?
Why don't you list the number of starts for this o-line group. Figure it out for us, and post it.
I call BS on your statement that this will be the Cats' best o-line for as long as you can remember. Please, don't say dumb stuff like that in this forum.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
You should look at the final FCS poll. That will help you. UM was better than Idaho or MSU. Idaho was better than MSU. All of them, including UM, were better than NAU.
Please don't say dumb things like MSU was better than Idaho. MSU wasn't better. Idaho beat MSU. Idaho was seeded higher than MSU. Idaho ended the season ranked higher than MSU.
What possible argument can you make that MSU was better than Idaho?
