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[PlayerRep]

Without defending 692002's post, why do some of you assume it's football-related--as opposed to guy related? It doesn't say anything about football or needing him to play qb.

I understand that in the US an accuser's name is generally kept confidential in sexual assault and most of the media honors that, but that is not the case in many other countries. In some, both names are not disclosed. In some, the accuser's name isn't keep confidential.

really, if JJ wasn't the QB you wouldn't care what happened to him. Of course his post was FB related.

I would care about any person who was being unfairly and wrongly treated by the university, whether male or female or an athlete or not. I believe in principles. Fairness and due process are very important principles. My views on fairness, due process and sexual assault are not dependent on whether someone is an athlete. Giving your history of posting, it's not surprising that you can't understand that.

 

[dupuyer griz]

The thing I want to know about the most is the Saudi (I think it was Saudi) student that was informed of what was up that got to leave the country. Some of the higher ups should have their heads rolling over this and I'm sure other instances that we don't even know about.

 

[br fan]

This "deal" smells of Main Hall or BOR. What a way out of their pickle. I hope he doesn't let them off the hook.

If the rumor's accurate I'm sure it deals with the school proceeding, not any criminal charge. UM failed to amend the honor code when directed to do so in April 2011, and when JJ's situation arose UM was in a pickle. If UM proceeded against JJ using the old honor code they're not complying with DOE requirements because they're not using the lower standard for the burden of proof. If UM proceeded against JJ using the new honor code they're not complying with DOE requirements if JJ is not given due process. UM chose the latter feeling they had more wiggle room, and got called on it.

UM and the BOD would love for this situation to go away, and I agree with kemajic that this thing smells of Main Hall or BOR.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Either way, I wish JJ the best. I cannot stand Portland State, wish he would go anywhere, but there, if he leaves Montana.

As for the case, this really does not make a lot of sense to me, and makes me question the accuser some.
So, if he leaves the area, he is not guilty enough to pursue a case? If he stays, he is guilty enough to pursue a case? WTF! Granted, I do not know the victim, but I am thinking, no matter what, she would want someone guilty of rape, to be found guilty, and serve time. Why even give the accused an out?
Either way, it is still rape. Sorry, I just do not understand this thinking, by her, or any lawyer representing the accuser.

If I were JJ, I would fight for my name, and innocence. Out of curiosity, if this is an option, does this make JJ's case stronger for his attorney?

Why don't you like PSU? Was he recruited by the Vikes out of high school? If he's going to take a red shirt year would he consider a PAC12 team?

Yeah the Vikes recruited the Oregon Offensive Player of the Year, they just knew they had an uphill recruiting battle.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

He could redshirt here or there still (then have two seasons left)......Delaney better get a dropdown signed fast

I;m not worried about landing a drop down, McKinney is a stud. SSH brings a lot to the table as well.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

Don't get me wrong... Tons of great Griz supporters as well as intelligent posters on this forum. Unfortunately, there are "too many" that have blinders on when it comes to Griz football. That's a perception of most outside of those wearing maroon colored glasses.

There is several on egriz that feel that way, but there are many across the state that are extremely embarrassed by what has gone on there.

First, I can only hope the post was dripping with sarcasim, because I know of a lot of fans with maroon colored glasses and blinders, but not one of them advocates anything along the lines of attempting to do anything like was posted.

Second, you Cat fans and Eagles must not live in glass houses, because be very careful when tossing stones. I am so tired of the attempt to link the Penn State issue and what is going on in Missoula along with the belief that this is only happening in Missoula. First, it has been determined in the Penn State case that there was knowlege of activity and a blind eye was turned and actually through lack of action, one could almost say condoned. The emails for the Griz are out there and there is no indication that a environment was created which allowed for this type of behavior to go on. What hasn't been talked about in the media is that Phlu had the Chief of Police, a Federal judge, and a woman from the University address the team before any of this went down. I am embrassed for what has happened, but it is like having mushrooms in your crawlspace, in that once you find out they are there, you can deal with it and get rid of them, or you just let them go and multiple. Having played from 85 to 89 I can tell you that some unsavory activity occured back then. I know guys who played for the Cats during the same years and crap when on then. Again, as I posted before past behavior does not justify the current situation. The kids playing today need to recoginze the environment and make the needed adjustments. That being said, I had a frank discussion with a current Cat player who was at my house seeing my daughter. I respect Ash and what he has done, and while this individual has no knoweldge of anything like this happening there, he was forthwright and saying there are activities amoung individuals that would be embrassing to the team and MSU should they come to light. I'm sure the same thing can be said of EWU and pretty much every school in the Big Sky.

I am not trying to bring all the other programs down in an attempt to make the issue's at UM look better. You cannot justify the actions that have transpired and you cannot justify it by saying it goes on elsewhere. Rather, this should cause all of the other schools to look in their crawlspaces for mushrooms and deal with them if they have them or not. You should all just hope that nothing is going on and if something is going on it will be dealt with at once.

 

[emilsson_2000]

So back to the original topic of this thread....when do we find out if JJ flys the coop or not? I hope he stays, but if not then let's move on already.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Without defending 692002's post, why do some of you assume it's football-related--as opposed to guy related? It doesn't say anything about football or needing him to play qb.

I understand that in the US an accuser's name is generally kept confidential in sexual assault and most of the media honors that, but that is not the case in many other countries. In some, both names are not disclosed. In some, the accuser's name isn't keep confidential.

I agree

 

[Cats2506]

Don't get me wrong... Tons of great Griz supporters as well as intelligent posters on this forum. Unfortunately, there are "too many" that have blinders on when it comes to Griz football. That's a perception of most outside of those wearing maroon colored glasses.

There is several on egriz that feel that way, but there are many across the state that are extremely embarrassed by what has gone on there.

First, I can only hope the post was dripping with sarcasim, because I know of a lot of fans with maroon colored glasses and blinders, but not one of them advocates anything along the lines of attempting to do anything like was posted.

Second, you Cat fans and Eagles must not live in glass houses, because be very careful when tossing stones. I am so tired of the attempt to link the Penn State issue and what is going on in Missoula along with the belief that this is only happening in Missoula. First, it has been determined in the Penn State case that there was knowlege of activity and a blind eye was turned and actually through lack of action, one could almost say condoned. The emails for the Griz are out there and there is no indication that a environment was created which allowed for this type of behavior to go on. What hasn't been talked about in the media is that Phlu had the Chief of Police, a Federal judge, and a woman from the University address the team before any of this went down. I am embrassed for what has happened, but it is like having mushrooms in your crawlspace, in that once you find out they are there, you can deal with it and get rid of them, or you just let them go and multiple. Having played from 85 to 89 I can tell you that some unsavory activity occured back then. I know guys who played for the Cats during the same years and crap when on then. Again, as I posted before past behavior does not justify the current situation. The kids playing today need to recoginze the environment and make the needed adjustments. That being said, I had a frank discussion with a current Cat player who was at my house seeing my daughter. I respect Ash and what he has done, and while this individual has no knoweldge of anything like this happening there, he was forthwright and saying there are activities amoung individuals that would be embrassing to the team and MSU should they come to light. I'm sure the same thing can be said of EWU and pretty much every school in the Big Sky.

I am not trying to bring all the other programs down in an attempt to make the issue's at UM look better. You cannot justify the actions that have transpired and you cannot justify it by saying it goes on elsewhere. Rather, this should cause all of the other schools to look in their crawlspaces for mushrooms and deal with them if they have them or not. You should all just hope that nothing is going on and if something is going on it will be dealt with at once.

evidently, reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours

 

[BWahlberg]

So back to the original topic of this thread....when do we find out if JJ flys the coop or not? I hope he stays, but if not then let's move on already.

August 6th for sure - the start of fall camp

 

[bisonboone11]

Maybe this has already been discussed, but are players allowed to transfer schools within the same conference? I thought the only way this could occur was if the player in question had graduated and the other school offered a masters program that the original school didn't.

 

[spsyk]

Just curious, the way things appear around college athletics today, how many school would be willing to take an athlete will rape charge not settled.

Hopefully JJ will see this thru, forget about football, and clear up his name for himself and his parents.





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[Bengal96]

Maybe this has already been discussed, but are players allowed to transfer schools within the same conference? I thought the only way this could occur was if the player in question had graduated and the other school offered a masters program that the original school didn't.

We have seen players transfer from one Big Sky school to another before. One that comes to mind is Erik Stoll who played his freshman year at Idaho State then transferred to Montana. He redshirted a year before playing his final 3 years with the Griz.

 

[Grizincatland]

Infiltrator is definitely an "insider". Just the fact that he posted this information leads me to believe that he has an in somewhere. Not sure how this will all pan out but I belive the situation described by infiltrator is accurate.

Infiltrator - any other news regarding UM QB's?

 

[griz692002]

Not that I need to defend my earlier post, but it is not all about football or basketball players. It is about the fact that they are dragging JJ (and it could be any student) threw the mud for accusations made by a Young girl that that was known to have been drinking at the time of the incident.

She made a bad decision by put her self in that position by inviting him in her room.

Now no one seems to question whether she is just a vindictive bitch that has started something with her mouth and shouldn't have. No one has made her accountable for her accusations. Maybe she wanted a sexual relationship and JJ said he didn't want a relationship of any kind. So she gets pissed runs her mouth and now she can't turn it around if she wanted too.

If he did something against the law well then he has the punishment coming but it just seams that no one cares what his side of the story is they are just listening to her side and public has become jury, judge, and executioner. with out verifying statements by the accuser. If it is a he said , she said then that is a situation that should be investigated more. With no proof then chalk it up as a learning experience.

just saying how I feel.

You want to destroy a persons carrier, in anything with accusations then you better have some good proof.

And as far as that bitch in the news paper, she is not much better. she does the same thing on a different level every day and gets paid for it.

falsely reports on hear say, rumors etc. I believe if you falsely report a story on a individual, group, business and cause damage then that victim should be able to sue the shit out of her personally and the paper she works for. Screw Florio or who ever that crack is.

 

[George Ferguson]

ARE SOME OF YOU EDUCATED AT ALL...DO SOME OF YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ?? seriously. Jordan Johnson does not have an unsettled rape charge against him. He's never been arrested and other than a TRO has never been involved in the Missoula County legal system in any way shape or form. His matters are NOT OF A CRIMINAL NATURE OF ANY KIND AT THIS POINT SO UNTIL THAT DAY COMES, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY, STOP EFFING POSTING LIES AND WRONG INFORMATION.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

What did your husband do to you to make you hate women so bad?






P.S. We all need to chip in and buy this chick some flannel shirts and new logging boots to cheer her up

 

[doebrmn]

Players are free to transfer and play whereever they want. The only limitations are the NCAA rules governing eligibility and some conference rules.

A player can bascially play four seasons in five years (he may redshirt one year and under some circumstances may receive a hardship that grants him extra years. e.g., injuries (often referred to as medical redshirt although that term doesn't actually exist) or players that go on religous missions.) There may also be other exceptional circumstances (military service etc.). Typically, a player that transfers between teams at the same level (FBS to FBS or FCS to FCS) must sit out a year. If they have a redshirt year available, they can use it during that year. If not, they lose a year of eligibility. If the player has graduated from his current institution, he can transfer and play at another institution without sitting out if that institution has a Master's program his former institution doesn't offer.

If a player drops down a level they typically do not have to sit out a year. Under a recent rule change, a player cannot drop from FBS to FCS with only one year of eligibility remaining. He can drop down to lower levels such as DII or DIII (example is Montana transferring this year with one year left).

As far as transferring to NAIA, NAIA basically lets a player complete 4 years regardless of when he starts. There are many examples of a player sitting several years and then coming back and playing at an NAIA school. Even players in their 60's have done so in recent years. There are rules on tranferring in NAIA (which I am completely unfamiliar with) but in general a player gets 4 years to play and can do so at any NAIA institution.

Now, whether a player can be on scholarship and transfer to another instituion and be on scholarship is also limited by conference rules (and may depend on the institution itself). If a scholarship player wants to transfer and play at another school on scholarship he has to first be released from his existing scholarship. If the institution will not release him he can still transfer and play (meeting all NCAA rules) but may not receive a scholarship. An example was Jeff George. He wanted to transfer from Purdue but Akers would not release him from his scholarship. Under Big Ten Rules he had to get a release to play at another Big Ten school. He simply chose to transfer to Illinois and walk-on and play.

There are likely many exceptions to above and other loop holes (after all we are talking about the NCAA), but in general this is how it all works.

 

[spsyk]

ARE SOME OF YOU EDUCATED AT ALL...DO SOME OF YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ?? seriously. Jordan Johnson does not have an unsettled rape charge against him. He's never been arrested and other than a TRO has never been involved in the Missoula County legal system in any way shape or form. His matters are NOT OF A CRIMINAL NATURE OF ANY KIND AT THIS POINT SO UNTIL THAT DAY COMES, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY, STOP EFFING POSTING LIES AND WRONG INFORMATION.

If you are correct, then please, explain to me, why JJ has been expelled from the UM, and why is this conversation of J J. Not being the starting QB.

I'll admit I'm not educated, and can't read to well, so please help me understand

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

ARE SOME OF YOU EDUCATED AT ALL...DO SOME OF YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ?? seriously. Jordan Johnson does not have an unsettled rape charge against him. He's never been arrested and other than a TRO has never been involved in the Missoula County legal system in any way shape or form. His matters are NOT OF A CRIMINAL NATURE OF ANY KIND AT THIS POINT SO UNTIL THAT DAY COMES, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY, STOP EFFING POSTING LIES AND WRONG INFORMATION.

If you are correct, then please, explain to me, why JJ has been expelled from the UM, and why is this conversation of J J. Not being the starting QB.

I'll admit I'm not educated, and can't read to well, so please help me understand

JJ wasn't expelled because of criminal charges against him. As havgrizfan pointed out, there have not been any criminal charges filed. JJ was expelled because the student board of conduct deemed his actions, criminal charges or not, to be in violation of the student conduct code. No criminal activity is required to be in violation of the code. Whether he will ever be actually charged with a crime remains to be seen.