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[bisonboone11]

Players are free to transfer and play whereever they want. The only limitations are the NCAA rules governing eligibility and some conference rules.

A player can bascially play four seasons in five years (he may redshirt one year and under some circumstances may receive a hardship that grants him extra years. e.g., injuries (often referred to as medical redshirt although that term doesn't actually exist) or players that go on religous missions.) There may also be other exceptional circumstances (military service etc.). Typically, a player that transfers between teams at the same level (FBS to FBS or FCS to FCS) must sit out a year. If they have a redshirt year available, they can use it during that year. If not, they lose a year of eligibility. If the player has graduated from his current institution, he can transfer and play at another institution without sitting out if that institution has a Master's program his former institution doesn't offer.

If a player drops down a level they typically do not have to sit out a year. Under a recent rule change, a player cannot drop from FBS to FCS with only one year of eligibility remaining. He can drop down to lower levels such as DII or DIII (example is Montana transferring this year with one year left).

As far as transferring to NAIA, NAIA basically lets a player complete 4 years regardless of when he starts. There are many examples of a player sitting several years and then coming back and playing at an NAIA school. Even players in their 60's have done so in recent years. There are rules on tranferring in NAIA (which I am completely unfamiliar with) but in general a player gets 4 years to play and can do so at any NAIA institution.

Now, whether a player can be on scholarship and transfer to another instituion and be on scholarship is also limited by conference rules (and may depend on the institution itself). If a scholarship player wants to transfer and play at another school on scholarship he has to first be released from his existing scholarship. If the institution will not release him he can still transfer and play (meeting all NCAA rules) but may not receive a scholarship. An example was Jeff George. He wanted to transfer from Purdue but Akers would not release him from his scholarship. Under Big Ten Rules he had to get a release to play at another Big Ten school. He simply chose to transfer to Illinois and walk-on and play.

There are likely many exceptions to above and other loop holes (after all we are talking about the NCAA), but in general this is how it all works.

Wow, you are very thorough. Thank you very much for the information. Very informative.

 

[Ursa Major]

Not that I need to defend my earlier post, but it is not all about football or basketball players. It is about the fact that they are dragging JJ (and it could be any student) threw the mud for accusations made by a Young girl that that was known to have been drinking at the time of the incident.

She made a bad decision by put her self in that position by inviting him in her room.

Now no one seems to question whether she is just a vindictive bitch that has started something with her mouth and shouldn't have. No one has made her accountable for her accusations. Maybe she wanted a sexual relationship and JJ said he didn't want a relationship of any kind. So she gets pissed runs her mouth and now she can't turn it around if she wanted too.

If he did something against the law well then he has the punishment coming but it just seams that no one cares what his side of the story is they are just listening to her side and public has become jury, judge, and executioner. with out verifying statements by the accuser. If it is a he said , she said then that is a situation that should be investigated more. With no proof then chalk it up as a learning experience.

just saying how I feel.

You want to destroy a persons carrier, in anything with accusations then you better have some good proof.

And as far as that bitch in the news paper, she is not much better. she does the same thing on a different level every day and gets paid for it.

falsely reports on hear say, rumors etc. I believe if you falsely report a story on a individual, group, business and cause damage then that victim should be able to sue the shit out of her personally and the paper she works for. Screw Florio or who ever that crack is.

Just stop talking.

Brock Landers

 

[jagur1]

Egriz Whackadoodle ratio is at an all time high as of late.

 

[grizcountry420]

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and counting..................

 

[poorgriz]

Don't get me wrong... Tons of great Griz supporters as well as intelligent posters on this forum. Unfortunately, there are "too many" that have blinders on when it comes to Griz football. That's a perception of most outside of those wearing maroon colored glasses.

There is several on egriz that feel that way, but there are many across the state that are extremely embarrassed by what has gone on there.

First, I can only hope the post was dripping with sarcasim, because I know of a lot of fans with maroon colored glasses and blinders, but not one of them advocates anything along the lines of attempting to do anything like was posted.

Second, you Cat fans and Eagles must not live in glass houses, because be very careful when tossing stones. I am so tired of the attempt to link the Penn State issue and what is going on in Missoula along with the belief that this is only happening in Missoula. First, it has been determined in the Penn State case that there was knowlege of activity and a blind eye was turned and actually through lack of action, one could almost say condoned. The emails for the Griz are out there and there is no indication that a environment was created which allowed for this type of behavior to go on. What hasn't been talked about in the media is that Phlu had the Chief of Police, a Federal judge, and a woman from the University address the team before any of this went down. I am embrassed for what has happened, but it is like having mushrooms in your crawlspace, in that once you find out they are there, you can deal with it and get rid of them, or you just let them go and multiple. Having played from 85 to 89 I can tell you that some unsavory activity occured back then. I know guys who played for the Cats during the same years and crap when on then. Again, as I posted before past behavior does not justify the current situation. The kids playing today need to recoginze the environment and make the needed adjustments. That being said, I had a frank discussion with a current Cat player who was at my house seeing my daughter. I respect Ash and what he has done, and while this individual has no knoweldge of anything like this happening there, he was forthwright and saying there are activities amoung individuals that would be embrassing to the team and MSU should they come to light. I'm sure the same thing can be said of EWU and pretty much every school in the Big Sky.

I am not trying to bring all the other programs down in an attempt to make the issue's at UM look better. You cannot justify the actions that have transpired and you cannot justify it by saying it goes on elsewhere. Rather, this should cause all of the other schools to look in their crawlspaces for mushrooms and deal with them if they have them or not. You should all just hope that nothing is going on and if something is going on it will be dealt with at once.

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

 

[GrizSteve]

:shock:
:clap: good one and we have maroon colored glasses...wow

 

[Bear Axed]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

You are totally full of it!
Ash had a number of players that were recruited and lauded as high caliber players BY HIM!! last year that never saw a down due to the trouble they got in.

 

[tnt]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

You are totally full of it!
Ash had a number of players that were recruited and lauded as high caliber players BY HIM!! last year that never saw a down due to the trouble they got in.

I dunno about less likley to get into trouble, you never really know until they have left Mom and Dads place, but this never seeing a down, what pray tell is that???

 

[SACCAT66]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

You are totally full of it!
Ash had a number of players that were recruited and lauded as high caliber players BY HIM!! last year that never saw a down due to the trouble they got in.

I agree with both of you to some extent. I think that Ash has done a very good job of nipping issues in the bud (or in the pot brownie) when it happens. I also don't think there is ANY way you can tell if someone is going to break the law, until they do. I have talked to a couple of players on the Cats team this year, and they all say the same thing, "playing College Football is a PRIVILEGE." I am not saying just at MSU, but everywhere. You were given a chance to play a sport and get a full education FOR FREE. You gave up certain rights that every other student has, because of this privilege. You also knowingly put yourself in the public eye to do so. Every one of these young men and women know that they are under a huge microscope with every action they take. Fare or not, they signed up for it, and they know what it is all about.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

 

[doebrmn]

"[msu players ]last year that never saw a down due to the trouble they got in."

Isn't that the point. When issues arose they were addressed immediately hence you are not seeing investigations by the NCAA, DOJ and DOE currently going on at MSU.

 

[argh!]

Not that I need to defend my earlier post, but it is not all about football or basketball players. It is about the fact that they are dragging JJ (and it could be any student) threw the mud for accusations made by a Young girl that that was known to have been drinking at the time of the incident.

She made a bad decision by put her self in that position by inviting him in her room.

Now no one seems to question whether she is just a vindictive bitch that has started something with her mouth and shouldn't have. No one has made her accountable for her accusations. Maybe she wanted a sexual relationship and JJ said he didn't want a relationship of any kind. So she gets pissed runs her mouth and now she can't turn it around if she wanted too.

If he did something against the law well then he has the punishment coming but it just seams that no one cares what his side of the story is they are just listening to her side and public has become jury, judge, and executioner. with out verifying statements by the accuser. If it is a he said , she said then that is a situation that should be investigated more. With no proof then chalk it up as a learning experience.

just saying how I feel.

You want to destroy a persons carrier, in anything with accusations then you better have some good proof.

And as far as that bitch in the news paper, she is not much better. she does the same thing on a different level every day and gets paid for it.

falsely reports on hear say, rumors etc. I believe if you falsely report a story on a individual, group, business and cause damage then that victim should be able to sue the shit out of her personally and the paper she works for. Screw Florio or who ever that crack is.

you are a complete piece of shit. it is "carrier" idiots like you and greenie who are polluting college football to the point that young and impressionable athletes believe themselves to be something they are not - worthy of worship.

just saying how i feel.

 

[Bear Axed]

"[msu players ]last year that never saw a down due to the trouble they got in."

Isn't that the point. When issues arose they were addressed immediately hence you are not seeing investigations by the NCAA, DOJ and DOE currently going on at MSU.

Apparently you can't read very well, he says in the customary kitten mantra,
that lily white ash only recruits non-troublers
"I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system."

 

[doebrmn]

Exactly and since it is impossible to be a 100% right as soon as trouble surfaces there is immediately discipine and where needed they are gone, unlike the "we will let the legal system run its course" system being operated at UM over the last decade at least. As I have stated many times, it is not the kids that are the issue. Kids will make mistakes and kids should be given second chances when appropriate, it is the grown-ups that have failed by putting winning ahead of discipline. That has led UM to where it is now and that is what is being remedied. Unfortunately, it has gotten to the point where it may be out of UM's hands on what ultimately is done.

 

[grizcountry420]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

I agree..

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

I agree..

So we should raise the bar instead of lowering it.........................right?

 

[OptimusPrime]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

I agree..

So we should raise the bar instead of lowering it.........................right?

I don't know. As long as I can rest my elbows on the bar and it keeps my beer upright, I think its level is ok.

 

[Growler1]

Not that I need to defend my earlier post, but it is not all about football or basketball players. It is about the fact that they are dragging JJ (and it could be any student) threw the mud for accusations made by a Young girl that that was known to have been drinking at the time of the incident.

She made a bad decision by put her self in that position by inviting him in her room.

Now no one seems to question whether she is just a vindictive bitch that has started something with her mouth and shouldn't have. No one has made her accountable for her accusations. Maybe she wanted a sexual relationship and JJ said he didn't want a relationship of any kind. So she gets pissed runs her mouth and now she can't turn it around if she wanted too.

If he did something against the law well then he has the punishment coming but it just seams that no one cares what his side of the story is they are just listening to her side and public has become jury, judge, and executioner. with out verifying statements by the accuser. If it is a he said , she said then that is a situation that should be investigated more. With no proof then chalk it up as a learning experience.

just saying how I feel.

You want to destroy a persons carrier, in anything with accusations then you better have some good proof.

And as far as that bitch in the news paper, she is not much better. she does the same thing on a different level every day and gets paid for it.

falsely reports on hear say, rumors etc. I believe if you falsely report a story on a individual, group, business and cause damage then that victim should be able to sue the shit out of her personally and the paper she works for. Screw Florio or who ever that crack is.

you are a complete piece of shit. it is "carrier" idiots like you and greenie who are polluting college football to the point that young and impressionable athletes believe themselves to be something they are not - worthy of worship.

just saying how i feel.

Totally agree!

 

[poorgriz]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

No, you're not getting my point. Rob Ash is one of if the most "Character First" mentality football coaches in the country. He and his recruiting staff do much more due diligence of players before bringing into the program, and have much higher standards than most other schools in terms of player conduct. Additionally, they stress the importance of character in practice, team meetings, in the community, etc. much more than most programs. Yes, kids will still make mistakes... but they'll make them a lot less at MSU than most other schools, due to the focus Ash puts on that.

 

[jagur1]

I know what you're trying to say... and yes these are college age kids and they will make mistakes. However, I will also state my opinion that the players on the Montana State University Football team are less likely to get in trouble than any other school in the Big Sky, and probably 95% of all other college football teams out there. Rob Ash's philosophy of "High caliber person first, playing ability second", is by far his number one priority and that permeates all throughout the system.

Uh, no...In the end, they are all kids, and kids get in trouble no matter where they go, who recruited them, or whatever. Don't be so naive.

No, you're not getting my point. Rob Ash is one of if the most "Character First" mentality football coaches in the country. He and his recruiting staff do much more due diligence of players before bringing into the program, and have much higher standards than most other schools in terms of player conduct. Additionally, they stress the importance of character in practice, team meetings, in the community, etc. much more than most programs. Yes, kids will still make mistakes... but they'll make them a lot less at MSU than most other schools, due to the focus Ash puts on that.

Those are stong words. May be true. I remember the same things being said about a certain gentelman that lost 111 games yesterday. You may know, you may think you know, but you never know.