I SUPPORT STITT

[indian-outlaw]

I will continue to support Stitt. I like what he is building, and think a new coach next year will set things back! I will go down with the Stitt ship and if I'm wrong all of you can say Mike Mavity you were one dumb sob supporting Stitt!

Stitt will be retained no matter what his record this season is. I will remind you after a couple more 6-5 or 7-4 seasons that he is on over his head. I honestly don't think he's a bad coach but for those here trying to compare him to Don Read, for gawd sake shut up.

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

 

[kemajic]

I will continue to support Stitt. I like what he is building, and think a new coach next year will set things back! I will go down with the Stitt ship and if I'm wrong all of you can say Mike Mavity you were one dumb sob supporting Stitt!

Stitt will be retained no matter what his record this season is. I will remind you after a couple more 6-5 or 7-4 seasons that he is on over his head. I honestly don't think he's a bad coach but for those here trying to compare him to Don Read, for gawd sake shut up.

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

If that happens a very large portion of booster support disappears. Haslam is not that stupid.

 

[poorgriz]

I will continue to support Stitt. I like what he is building, and think a new coach next year will set things back! I will go down with the Stitt ship and if I'm wrong all of you can say Mike Mavity you were one dumb sob supporting Stitt!

Stitt will be retained no matter what his record this season is. I will remind you after a couple more 6-5 or 7-4 seasons that he is on over his head. I honestly don't think he's a bad coach but for those here trying to compare him to Don Read, for gawd sake shut up.

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

I just find that very hard to believe based on what I've heard from some very powerful boosters, but who knows. Not gonna happen anyway, you won't lost to UNC at home. I'm still sticking with what I've said from day one, you end the season 7-4 (Although 6-5 is more possible than I thought after watching how bad you played at Weber).

 

[PlayerRep]

Stitt will be retained no matter what his record this season is. I will remind you after a couple more 6-5 or 7-4 seasons that he is on over his head. I honestly don't think he's a bad coach but for those here trying to compare him to Don Read, for gawd sake shut up.

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

I just find that very hard to believe based on what I've heard from some very powerful boosters, but who knows. Not gonna happen anyway, you won't lost to UNC at home. I'm still sticking with what I've said from day one, you end the season 7-4 (Although 6-5 is more possible than I thought after watching how bad you played at Weber).

Were you watching the Griz game instead of the Cat game? That's nice of you. UM didn't play bad in the second half against Weber, so my guess is that you didn't in fact watch the game.

 

[Gaeilge1]

At this point I am truly ambivalent on this topic. I am certainly not a fan of Coach Stitt, but am not crazy about the idea of switching coaches so soon.

I have said before that if he wins out he should be given the benefit of the doubt and granted a minimum one year extension. But if he goes 7-4, 6-5 or 5-6, in my mind he will have failed to show significant enough improvement in both overall play and team direction and should not be retained.

Just as a side note, the reason I include 7-4 is because it will in all probability mean losses to both NAU & MSU and no real improvement in the conference despite winning one more game than last year.

 

[CoppernGold]

If Stitt is somehow still here after this seasons' debacle, are fans still going to say" he still needs more time" next season? I say this has been a failed experiment already and it would best serve the student-athletes and fan base if they turn him loose after the Brawl and hire a proven winner. It's been hard to watch this proud program be reduced to a mediocre member of the Big Sky Conference. Even harder to believe that some fans are comfortable with being 7-4 and even 6-5.

 

[poorgriz]

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

I just find that very hard to believe based on what I've heard from some very powerful boosters, but who knows. Not gonna happen anyway, you won't lost to UNC at home. I'm still sticking with what I've said from day one, you end the season 7-4 (Although 6-5 is more possible than I thought after watching how bad you played at Weber).

Were you watching the Griz game instead of the Cat game? That's nice of you. UM didn't play bad in the second half against Weber, so my guess is that you didn't in fact watch the game.

I didn't mean watching in the literal sense - I was enjoying a game in sun drenched Bobcat Stadium! I was texting my griz fan buddies score updates and pretty much across the board they said that game was over at half time and one of them even predicted that Weber would come out flat the 2nd half and let the griz make it look closer than the absolute ass kicking that it was. All my friends said there was zero question who has the better team this year.

All of the is trivial fluff though. Now that you replied to my post what say you? If the griz lose the next three don't you think Stitt is gonzo?

 

[whitefishbear]

It's interesting watching this unfold...
I'm certain if someone dug up the end of season posts form 2016 or beginning of the season this year, how many said "if Stitt can go 7-4 next year he should get another year", and where they are posting now. Does the season suck overall...yes. But there is a chance to go 8-3 or 7-4. My opinion is 7-4 he gets 1 more year, but would be required to make some changes. 6-5, well then obviously that's not going to work.
The Griz have lost their senior starting QB, that honestly, was something special this year. There is no denying what that kid was in the process of doing. GJ is going to be something special, but at any level it's tough for a freshman to understand the game, then come in and see the speed of the game.
Defensively, it's a zoo. Lost a key DT, starting safety, and lack depth at certain positions. I think the coaching has improved, although really only 1 game to look at stats in that regard. Special teams...I'm seriously thinking about calling BH and asking to spend time with him to learn some special teams...and then applying for the job. Holy crap man. I bet northern would run better kick returns than the Griz against the same opponents.
I am a Stitt supporter for 1 more season only...as long as they do not end up 6-5. I think he needs to make important coaching changes in the off season, including getting Andy Thompson here as DC if he doesn't get the HC job at NAU. Let's support these guys through this. Griz Nation is amazing and they feed of the fans. GO GRIZ!

So Phillips, a 5th year senior who started three football games in his career, with two of those starts against body bag teams, and the other one against a solid FBS team in which he could not even score a single point...... gives you the info to state "there is no denying what that kid was in the process of doing"??? Talk about hyperbole!

I have nothing against Phillips as a QB, only against people anointing him as a star with no basis for doing so. He might have ended-up being a great QB, but no reasonable person could say that based upon his body of work.

There was plenty of basis for those who watched the games, the practices, the scrimmages, in fall and spring and even last year when it was clear that he had a great arm even before he learned the offense--and had talked to the coaches. No anointed RP for anything, but it was clear that he was on his way to having a great season for knowledgeable fans who were paying close attention. He also seemed to be developing into a very strong leader.

I thought he had three 3 picks in the Butte scrimmage? Knowledgeable fans understand that practices and scrimmages don't always translate into real-time games.

 

[whitefishbear]

That game was a perfect shit storm from the first 1/4. Stitt did not throw 3 bad INTs. (Jensen finally had his "freshman" game. I don't care. He will be a super Griz QB. I hope he is OK.) Stitt did not fumble twice giving a short field and losing a late score. Stitt did not commit 2 targeting/disqualifying penalties that lost two key players. One who was filling in for the idiot shit Strong did. (Both, IMO, were called correct and completely the fault of the players.) Stitt and Semore put their players in position to make plays for most of the game. "No comment" on the refs. The last three recruiting classes are outstanding. I continue to support this entire staff no matter how the season works out from here.

Yes, but those are mistakes that under prepared and under motivated teams make. They are mistakes that differentiate a 5-6 team from a 9-2 team. I do lay the blame for how the Griz performed in the first half at the hands of the coaches. They had two weeks to prepare and the first two offensive series looked like they had an afternoon to prepare. I will give the coaches credit for the much improved second half performance. If that kind of performance can be carried over in the next 3 games, I will want Stitt to have another year; but if we revert back to that first half performance or the Cat performance of last year, then it will be time to cut bait.

Right.... two weeks to chart offensive plays for the first Weber series. And what do they call against the best rushing defense in the league??? You guessed it..... three runs up the middle and a punt! Very creative, I might add!

 

[PlayerRep]

It's interesting watching this unfold...
I'm certain if someone dug up the end of season posts form 2016 or beginning of the season this year, how many said "if Stitt can go 7-4 next year he should get another year", and where they are posting now. Does the season suck overall...yes. But there is a chance to go 8-3 or 7-4. My opinion is 7-4 he gets 1 more year, but would be required to make some changes. 6-5, well then obviously that's not going to work.
The Griz have lost their senior starting QB, that honestly, was something special this year. There is no denying what that kid was in the process of doing. GJ is going to be something special, but at any level it's tough for a freshman to understand the game, then come in and see the speed of the game.
Defensively, it's a zoo. Lost a key DT, starting safety, and lack depth at certain positions. I think the coaching has improved, although really only 1 game to look at stats in that regard. Special teams...I'm seriously thinking about calling BH and asking to spend time with him to learn some special teams...and then applying for the job. Holy crap man. I bet northern would run better kick returns than the Griz against the same opponents.
I am a Stitt supporter for 1 more season only...as long as they do not end up 6-5. I think he needs to make important coaching changes in the off season, including getting Andy Thompson here as DC if he doesn't get the HC job at NAU. Let's support these guys through this. Griz Nation is amazing and they feed of the fans. GO GRIZ!

So Phillips, a 5th year senior who started three football games in his career, with two of those starts against body bag teams, and the other one against a solid FBS team in which he could not even score a single point...... gives you the info to state "there is no denying what that kid was in the process of doing"??? Talk about hyperbole!

I have nothing against Phillips as a QB, only against people anointing him as a star with no basis for doing so. He might have ended-up being a great QB, but no reasonable person could say that based upon his body of work.

There was plenty of basis for those who watched the games, the practices, the scrimmages, in fall and spring and even last year when it was clear that he had a great arm even before he learned the offense--and had talked to the coaches. No anointed RP for anything, but it was clear that he was on his way to having a great season for knowledgeable fans who were paying close attention. He also seemed to be developing into a very strong leader.

I thought he had three 3 picks in the Butte scrimmage? Knowledgeable fans understand that practices and scrimmages don't always translate into real-time games.

Yes, but no other picks in scrimmages that spring nor, to my recollection, in the scrimmages this fall. So, 3 picks in 6 scrimmages. One bad game. In fact, one bad half. 2 of the picks were by Sandry, both great plays and with great hands, but probably a bit of cheating when he saw what play was developing. I was at the Butte scrimmage. Were you? I talked to RP after the game. He knew had some bad throws/decisions, but wasn't. overly concerned about it.

 

[PlayerRep]

That game was a perfect shit storm from the first 1/4. Stitt did not throw 3 bad INTs. (Jensen finally had his "freshman" game. I don't care. He will be a super Griz QB. I hope he is OK.) Stitt did not fumble twice giving a short field and losing a late score. Stitt did not commit 2 targeting/disqualifying penalties that lost two key players. One who was filling in for the idiot shit Strong did. (Both, IMO, were called correct and completely the fault of the players.) Stitt and Semore put their players in position to make plays for most of the game. "No comment" on the refs. The last three recruiting classes are outstanding. I continue to support this entire staff no matter how the season works out from here.

Yes, but those are mistakes that under prepared and under motivated teams make. They are mistakes that differentiate a 5-6 team from a 9-2 team. I do lay the blame for how the Griz performed in the first half at the hands of the coaches. They had two weeks to prepare and the first two offensive series looked like they had an afternoon to prepare. I will give the coaches credit for the much improved second half performance. If that kind of performance can be carried over in the next 3 games, I will want Stitt to have another year; but if we revert back to that first half performance or the Cat performance of last year, then it will be time to cut bait.

Right.... two weeks to chart offensive plays for the first Weber series. And what do they call against the best rushing defense in the league??? You guessed it..... three runs up the middle and a punt! Very creative, I might add!

Yup. Then 7 passes in a row in the 2d series and start of 3d series.

What's your conclusion now? 7 of 10 passes to start the game. Too few passes, too many passes, too many runs, not enough runs?

Certainly, not enough first downs.

 

[PlayerRep]

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

I just find that very hard to believe based on what I've heard from some very powerful boosters, but who knows. Not gonna happen anyway, you won't lost to UNC at home. I'm still sticking with what I've said from day one, you end the season 7-4 (Although 6-5 is more possible than I thought after watching how bad you played at Weber).

Were you watching the Griz game instead of the Cat game? That's nice of you. UM didn't play bad in the second half against Weber, so my guess is that you didn't in fact watch the game.

I didn't mean watching in the literal sense - I was enjoying a game in sun drenched Bobcat Stadium! I was texting my griz fan buddies score updates and pretty much across the board they said that game was over at half time and one of them even predicted that Weber would come out flat the 2nd half and let the griz make it look closer than the absolute ass kicking that it was. All my friends said there was zero question who has the better team this year.

All of the is trivial fluff though. Now that you replied to my post what say you? If the griz lose the next three don't you think Stitt is gonzo?

A huge hole dug in the first half by UM, but I didn't think the game was over. Again, Weber didn't go conservative on O in the second half until 6:25 to go in the game. I watched the game and looked at the play by play. As the half went on, Weber coach said they went more conservative on D

Losing next 3 games. Gone. Not a close call. If not, Haslam would be run out of town. 7-4 with win over Cats. Renewal offered. Loss to Cats. Huge pressure on Haslam. Win out. Renewal. Easy call. I wouldn't want to be in Haslam's shoes. Losing qb's will have to be factored in.

 

[ranco]

That game was a perfect shit storm from the first 1/4. Stitt did not throw 3 bad INTs. (Jensen finally had his "freshman" game. I don't care. He will be a super Griz QB. I hope he is OK.) Stitt did not fumble twice giving a short field and losing a late score. Stitt did not commit 2 targeting/disqualifying penalties that lost two key players. One who was filling in for the idiot shit Strong did. (Both, IMO, were called correct and completely the fault of the players.) Stitt and Semore put their players in position to make plays for most of the game. "No comment" on the refs. The last three recruiting classes are outstanding. I continue to support this entire staff no matter how the season works out from here.

Yes, but those are mistakes that under prepared and under motivated teams make. They are mistakes that differentiate a 5-6 team from a 9-2 team. I do lay the blame for how the Griz performed in the first half at the hands of the coaches. They had two weeks to prepare and the first two offensive series looked like they had an afternoon to prepare. I will give the coaches credit for the much improved second half performance. If that kind of performance can be carried over in the next 3 games, I will want Stitt to have another year; but if we revert back to that first half performance or the Cat performance of last year, then it will be time to cut bait.

Ranco, I am not disagreeing with you, but if you have time, can you explain why you think the big UM mistakes against Weber were the result of being under prepared or under motivated? Would like to see your analysis. I don't really know where the mistakes came from other than the qb mistakes were from a redshirt frosh, the KO mistakes were from a redshirt frosh, and the 2 targeting penalties were from seniors, one of whom has been here only 2 years. The penalty on the sideline, which I didn't think was much of a penalty, was from a redshirt frosh. I'm not blaming this all on inexperience, by the way.

Its difficult to sum it up on specifics, but I would point to our first two offensive possessions. It really looked like the offense was just going through the motions and there was nothing innovative about the play calling, in fact, it was the opposite of innovative. The first drive lasted for just over a minute and resulted in a short punt. Second drive was worse, going for negative 4 yards, with a shorter punt. That set the early tone for the game and resulted in a 10 point deficit. With the tone set, the mistakes followed. It seemed pretty clear to me that the team lacked the kind of motivation and focus needed for a big game. It may not be fair but I think the coaches are responsible for that. As to preparation, the initial play calling indicated to me that the coaches had failed to identify any particular tendencies of Weber that they could exploit. Conversely, we saw some early innovative plays from Weber that clearly exploited our defense. Weber was better motivated and better prepared.

From a more general perspective, it seems that poorly coached teams make more mistakes than better coached teams and, despite equal talent levels, loose more games. I actually thought that (giving Stitt credit) when we beat Portland State.

 

[kemajic]

That game was a perfect shit storm from the first 1/4. Stitt did not throw 3 bad INTs. (Jensen finally had his "freshman" game. I don't care. He will be a super Griz QB. I hope he is OK.) Stitt did not fumble twice giving a short field and losing a late score. Stitt did not commit 2 targeting/disqualifying penalties that lost two key players. One who was filling in for the idiot shit Strong did. (Both, IMO, were called correct and completely the fault of the players.) Stitt and Semore put their players in position to make plays for most of the game. "No comment" on the refs. The last three recruiting classes are outstanding. I continue to support this entire staff no matter how the season works out from here.

Yes, but those are mistakes that under prepared and under motivated teams make. They are mistakes that differentiate a 5-6 team from a 9-2 team. I do lay the blame for how the Griz performed in the first half at the hands of the coaches. They had two weeks to prepare and the first two offensive series looked like they had an afternoon to prepare. I will give the coaches credit for the much improved second half performance. If that kind of performance can be carried over in the next 3 games, I will want Stitt to have another year; but if we revert back to that first half performance or the Cat performance of last year, then it will be time to cut bait.

Ranco, I am not disagreeing with you, but if you have time, can you explain why you think the big UM mistakes against Weber were the result of being under prepared or under motivated?

There were mistakes, but there was also just bad performance and maybe bad play-calling. When the first four series consisted of 3 3-and-outs (with bad punts) and an interception, does that suggest to you that the offense was well prepared for the start of the game? A hole we were never able to crawl out of.

 

[PlayerRep]

That game was a perfect shit storm from the first 1/4. Stitt did not throw 3 bad INTs. (Jensen finally had his "freshman" game. I don't care. He will be a super Griz QB. I hope he is OK.) Stitt did not fumble twice giving a short field and losing a late score. Stitt did not commit 2 targeting/disqualifying penalties that lost two key players. One who was filling in for the idiot shit Strong did. (Both, IMO, were called correct and completely the fault of the players.) Stitt and Semore put their players in position to make plays for most of the game. "No comment" on the refs. The last three recruiting classes are outstanding. I continue to support this entire staff no matter how the season works out from here.

Yes, but those are mistakes that under prepared and under motivated teams make. They are mistakes that differentiate a 5-6 team from a 9-2 team. I do lay the blame for how the Griz performed in the first half at the hands of the coaches. They had two weeks to prepare and the first two offensive series looked like they had an afternoon to prepare. I will give the coaches credit for the much improved second half performance. If that kind of performance can be carried over in the next 3 games, I will want Stitt to have another year; but if we revert back to that first half performance or the Cat performance of last year, then it will be time to cut bait.

Ranco, I am not disagreeing with you, but if you have time, can you explain why you think the big UM mistakes against Weber were the result of being under prepared or under motivated?

There were mistakes, but there was also just bad performance and maybe bad play-calling. When the first four series consisted of 3 3-and-outs (with bad punts) and an interception, does that suggest to you that the offense was well prepared for the start of the game? A hole we were never able to crawl out of.

I agree on bad performance. However, I truly don't know what caused it, and whether it was preparation or not. Jensen seems to not get off to fast starts in some games. Then, he shakes it off, gets going and guides the O to big yardage, at least most of the time.

I don't know what caused the picks or the fumbles. Or the costly penalties. Assume Stitt and Selle work with Jensen early and often about getting off to better starts, minimizing picks, and taking care of the ball. Can't imagine how under preparation or lack of motivation would cause the KO returner to start fumbling at this point of the season. But would have taken him out after first fumble. The targeting penalties just seemed to happen. Bet those 2 don't do that again.

Can't recall other big defensive goof ups.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Stitt will be retained no matter what his record this season is. I will remind you after a couple more 6-5 or 7-4 seasons that he is on over his head. I honestly don't think he's a bad coach but for those here trying to compare him to Don Read, for gawd sake shut up.

Minor correction. If you guys lose the next three games and end the season 5-6, and the second end of season collapse in as many years - Stitt is 100% gone.

nope, he will get extended even if that happens.

If that happens a very large portion of booster support disappears. Haslam is not that stupid.

Agree completely. If he (Stitt) doesn't show SOME semblance of progress, he's most likely gone.

 

[griznative24]

If Stitt is somehow still here after this seasons' debacle, are fans still going to say" he still needs more time" next season? I say this has been a failed experiment already and it would best serve the student-athletes and fan base if they turn him loose after the Brawl and hire a proven winner. It's been hard to watch this proud program be reduced to a mediocre member of the Big Sky Conference. Even harder to believe that some fans are comfortable with being 7-4 and even 6-5.

UofM can't and won't pay that much for a "proven winner." They don't pay their President a competitive wage, and they don't pay their coaches a competitive wage. The University is losing money and can't figure out their budget, I doubt paying the football coach more is in the cards.

 

[poorgriz]

I just find that very hard to believe based on what I've heard from some very powerful boosters, but who knows. Not gonna happen anyway, you won't lost to UNC at home. I'm still sticking with what I've said from day one, you end the season 7-4 (Although 6-5 is more possible than I thought after watching how bad you played at Weber).

Were you watching the Griz game instead of the Cat game? That's nice of you. UM didn't play bad in the second half against Weber, so my guess is that you didn't in fact watch the game.

I didn't mean watching in the literal sense - I was enjoying a game in sun drenched Bobcat Stadium! I was texting my griz fan buddies score updates and pretty much across the board they said that game was over at half time and one of them even predicted that Weber would come out flat the 2nd half and let the griz make it look closer than the absolute ass kicking that it was. All my friends said there was zero question who has the better team this year.

All of the is trivial fluff though. Now that you replied to my post what say you? If the griz lose the next three don't you think Stitt is gonzo?

A huge hole dug in the first half by UM, but I didn't think the game was over. Again, Weber didn't go conservative on O in the second half until 6:25 to go in the game. I watched the game and looked at the play by play. As the half went on, Weber coach said they went more conservative on D

Losing next 3 games. Gone. Not a close call. If not, Haslam would be run out of town. 7-4 with win over Cats. Renewal offered. Loss to Cats. Huge pressure on Haslam. Win out. Renewal. Easy call. I wouldn't want to be in Haslam's shoes. Losing qb's will have to be factored in.

Ya, figured as much, was pointing that out to Indian Outlaw and he obviously doesn't agree.

 

[kemajic]

If Stitt is somehow still here after this seasons' debacle, are fans still going to say" he still needs more time" next season? I say this has been a failed experiment already and it would best serve the student-athletes and fan base if they turn him loose after the Brawl and hire a proven winner. It's been hard to watch this proud program be reduced to a mediocre member of the Big Sky Conference. Even harder to believe that some fans are comfortable with being 7-4 and even 6-5.

UofM can't and won't pay that much for a "proven winner." They don't pay their President a competitive wage, and they don't pay their coaches a competitive wage. The University is losing money and can't figure out their budget, I doubt paying the football coach more is in the cards.

A winning FB coach pays large dividends to UM. Most in Admin. understand that. Faculty, not so much. Continuing deterioration of the FB program will be seen at the bottom line.

 

[argh!]

A winning FB coach pays large dividends to UM. Most in Admin. understand that. Faculty, not so much. Continuing deterioration of the FB program will be seen at the bottom line.

and what do you base your statement about faculty on, exactly? sure, some may not like it and/or be philosophically opposed, but i'm pretty sure most understand that a winning fb coach does pay dividends to a university.

you really are the classic whiny old man who disparages anyone who you think might not have exactly the same values.