I hope those 45 seconds were worth it Jordy

[grizfnz]

I am wondering if the first Step Nurse and the Detective haven't used this girl to advance their agendy?

I questioned the U's June 2012 "Interim SARC Director promotion" of one of the witnesses for the prosecution.

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[spokaneman]

Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward.

This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own.

she took it WAY too far, she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on.

You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts

Please add your name to the Dirtbag list!!!

"Women crying rape is the reason more don't come forward"??.. REALLY you POS?? MOST intelligent people know that more rape is not reported because of scumbags like you writing crap like this on public forums!!

I pity every woman in your life for ever having to know you or put up with your crap on a daily basis!!

 

[spokaneman]

This whole mess would have been avoided if JJ only had a chauffeur.

Yes... or if we had some gosh darned laws that prohibits minors from drinking alcohol in the first place....

 

[putter]

Are you being serious? Ya it wasnt a great move on JJs part...he was playing her...but for you to sympathize with her for crying rape is INSANITY! Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward. For you to call JJ a dirtbag, and say you sympathize with a girl who cried rape, got JJ kicked off the team, Pflu and oday fired is just fkn nutts! This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own. Im not saying JJ was right by playing her, but she took it WAY too far, and is in the late stages of ruining her own life when she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on. You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts....unless i am misunderstanding you, but i dont think i am because they are "your words"

Um, yes. Yes I am being serious. Though I'm trying not to take myself too seriously in the process.

You've actually touched on one part of the story that I find most interesting. I don't believe it was her crying rape as much as it was the incident snowballing after the fact to the point where it was beyond her control.

I don't have the desire to copy and paste any more tweets, but I have read them. If you get a chance read the testimony of the First Step nurse and of the Detective talking about how they assume the allegations are true until evidence proves other wise. Notice how the two women kept texting the girl after the fact and how they were the ones that gleefully notified her about the firings of O'Day and Phlu via congratulatory texts.

When I see all that it doesn't appear that Johnson ever had a chance of this not going to trial.

I agree with the nurse from Florida who said she thought the First Step nurse had moved beyond neutral support to victims advocate. I think it was beyond the girl's control at that point.

The fact was there were people that wanted/needed to have a head on the wall to redeem the image of university and the local police departments in the eyes of the NCAA and the DOJ is important to note. City and University leadership saw an opportunities to get a big time trophy by taking down the the kid that was arguably the face of Grizzly football in an effort to vindicate themselves and their institutions. And it appears that's exactly what they did.

So it was out of her control, thats what you think? She lied to the first step nurse. This has always been in her control, she could stand up right now and say "your honor i wasnt raped".....and you yourself even said you dont believe this is a rape. She has had the control during this entire mess. Its just hard to listen to you say blah blah blah about JJ and how big of a dirt bag he is when you actually believe this girl is lying about a rape that has totally changed peoples lives for worse. Remember what you said about JJ not having the balls to tell this girl he wasnt into her? You said something along those lines, correct? Well she had the power to end all this, but didnt have the guts to stand up and say she was not raped (your words, you dont believe she was raped)

How can you sit and call a man a dirt bag for playing a girl yet sympathize with a girl for saying she was raped when she was not? Lying about rape is without a doubt the worse of these two awful acts.

Unfortunately the hole is so deep I don't think, even she believes, there is any going back. I hope she was not raped for her sake and JJ's but it could also be the "I thought he really liked me and he thought it was just a one night stand...."

 

[Grisly Fan]

I am wondering if the first Step Nurse and the Detective haven't used this girl to advance their agendy?

More so Gwen.

I think it was a bit of a "perfect storm". A lot of (i.e. too many) people lying in wait ready to strike at the football program based on the way they perceived it was being run. This incident with this particular alleged victim (a malleable personality) to serve as their vehicle from which to attack. Each of them came from a slightly different angle and worked hard to prep her for her role.

Possibly the biggest problem is that so many in positions of power felt alienated enough to overlook the cold hard truth and have somehow managed to rationalize that convicting JJ would serve the greater good. At the very least, there are fences to mend -- BUT -- make no mistake that there is a contingent that would rejoice at nothing other than UM dropping football no matter the cost. Regardless of the outcome of JJ's trial, the "war" is not over.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

.....so I asked her "do you love me"? she said "no but thats a really nice ski mask'!

 

[Griz2k]

Women like her crying rape are the reason rape is sometimes not taken seriously or why some women dont want to come forward.

This story is tragic because she willingly had sex with jordan, then decided to ruin his life and the lives of others, including her own.

she took it WAY too far, she should have taken it as a lesson and moved on.

You sir have some very dangerous and disturbing thoughts

Please add your name to the Dirtbag list!!!

"Women crying rape is the reason more don't come forward"??.. REALLY you POS?? MOST intelligent people know that more rape is not reported because of scumbags like you writing crap like this on public forums!!

I pity every woman in your life for ever having to know you or put up with your crap on a daily basis!!

Ya, cause rape victims spend lots of time on football message boards. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Your village called, they want their idiot back.

 

[Grisly Fan]

...Seriously, what is wrong with you? Your village called, they want their idiot back.

Look, don't call him an idiot. It is very unkind to true idiots.

 

[stubbins]

.....so I asked her "do you love me"? she said "no but thats a really nice ski mask'!

she said something about me not listening...I don't know, I wasn't really paying attention.

 

[Geddes]

.....so I asked her "do you love me"? she said "no but thats a really nice ski mask'!

she said something about me not listening...I don't know, I wasn't really paying attention.

You chauvinistic animals!

Does this smell like chloroform?

Forgive me father, for I have sinned..

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

.....so I asked her "do you love me"? she said "no but thats a really nice ski mask'!

she said something about me not listening...I don't know, I wasn't really paying attention.

You chauvinistic animals!

Does this smell like chloroform?

Forgive me father, for I have sinned..

dont talk to the Father, the choir boys are hunting him down :lol:

 

[go4two]

Oooops...posted in wrong thread. Disregard.

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

@MiningCityGrizFan - How many seat you got & what section? Your post is an embarrassment to yourself!

 

[Griz Time]

Assuming MiningCityGrizFan's statement is true, that Jordy simply led her on and used her, which is far from the absolute truth, he feels he can never support a guy who led a girl on but fails to see ANY wrong with a girl who accused a man of rape simply out of spite??? Haha, yeah, that's a good one.

:clap: THIS

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

So it was out of her control, thats what you think? She lied to the first step nurse. This has always been in her control, she could stand up right now and say "your honor i wasnt raped".....and you yourself even said you dont believe this is a rape. She has had the control during this entire mess. Its just hard to listen to you say blah blah blah about JJ and how big of a dirt bag he is when you actually believe this girl is lying about a rape that has totally changed peoples lives for worse. Remember what you said about JJ not having the balls to tell this girl he wasnt into her? You said something along those lines, correct? Well she had the power to end all this, but didnt have the guts to stand up and say she was not raped (your words, you dont believe she was raped)

How can you sit and call a man a dirt bag for playing a girl yet sympathize with a girl for saying she was raped when she was not? Lying about rape is without a doubt the worse of these two awful acts.

If I remember correctly, the First Step nurse prompted her to file a police report. She said something about telling the girl there were other victims so the alleged victim would be doing it for them. That was a lot of tweets ago, but maybe someone can find it and confirm.

The way I read it the nurse could tell the girl was on the fence and was convinced by the nurse that making a police report based off an exam that didn't really prove rape was somehow a noble thing.

That's when I believe it snowballed. Like Grisly Fan said, it was the perfect storm...First Step Nurse, the SARC counselor, Detective, Asst. Dean, all rallied behind her. Then O'Day, Pflu, and all the national media that followed.

The testimony today by the dean of students was telling on this point too. Her asking about the other victims that apparently didn't exist put the girl into tears. I think the girl knew she had been manipulated by the First Step Nurse.

Which could easily explain her anxiety. If she was emotional or showing signs of PTSD, all of it could have been explained by the stress she was under as a result of knowing that the basis of her story was untrue.

There is also the possibility of her identity being leaked. I'm not sure what the law is if Johnson is found not guilty, but if and when that happens all of her dirty laundry, all of the stuff that wasn't admitted during the trial, it will all be aired on twitter, Facebook, eGriz and probably some national media outlets -- Good Morning America was in the court room today.

Does that make her actions okay? No. Not at all. I don't condone or excuse her making a false accusation.

I can at least understand her motivations, but I can't understand Johnson's. As far as I can tell she was good to him. She liked him. He knew it. And he used that to his own advantage; be that free rides or sex.

I think Putter nailed it, she thought it was something far more than just sex.

I know he helped those kids in Mexico and all, but his testimony today doesn't change my original opinion.

- He knew he didn't want a relationship with the girl the night of the ball (Just a friend)
- He initiated the texting with the girl on day after the ball
- He made arrangements for her to pick him up that night (Why not Kelly?)
- He went there knowing sex was a possibility (Why no condom? What about Kelly?)
- He takes of his shoes, watch, gets on her bed and then spoons with her for 20 minutes (Just friends?)
- He gives her the business, doesn't wear a condom, and doesn't even make sure she finished
- He blows his load on her blanket and then stops talking to her and no longer goes near her physically
- He decided to not tell the girl he likes that he had sex with the other girl
- He cuts off all communication doesn't even ask for his watch back
- He deletes all his messages from his phone to hide it from the girl he actually likes
- He is not honest with the girl he likes until the night before the story went public

I hate to keep saying it, but his actions are the actions of a dirt bag. And you know what? I think he would agree with me.

He was ashamed of himself in the court room, especially when his dad was on the stand. His dad appears to be a truly honorable man. I think that's why Jordan had his face covered and was crying through most of his father's testimony.

He was ashamed because he knows he was a dirt bag.

No matter what, I hope all parties affected by this make it through okay. This is especially true for the families of the to two people at the center of this story.

 

[BDizzle]

If I remember correctly, the First Step nurse prompted her to file a police report. She said something about telling the girl there were other victims so the alleged victim would be doing it for them. That was a lot of tweets ago, but maybe someone can find it and confirm.

The way I read it the nurse could tell the girl was on the fence and was convinced by the nurse that making a police report based off an exam that didn't really prove rape was somehow a noble thing.

That's when I believe it snowballed. Like Grisly Fan said, it was the perfect storm...First Step Nurse, the SARC counselor, Detective, Asst. Dean, all rallied behind her. Then O'Day, Pflu, and all the national media that followed.

The testimony today by the dean of students was telling on this point too. Her asking about the other victims that apparently didn't exist put the girl into tears. I think the girl knew she had been manipulated by the First Step Nurse.

Which could easily explain her anxiety. If she was emotional or showing signs of PTSD, all of it could have been explained by the stress she was under as a result of knowing that the basis of her story was untrue.

There is also the possibility of her identity being leaked. I'm not sure what the law is if Johnson is found not guilty, but if and when that happens all of her dirty laundry, all of the stuff that wasn't admitted during the trial, it will all be aired on twitter, Facebook, eGriz and probably some national media outlets -- Good Morning America was in the court room today.

Does that make her actions okay? No. Not at all. I don't condone or excuse her making a false accusation.

I can at least understand her motivations, but I can't understand Johnson's. As far as I can tell she was good to him. She liked him. He knew it. And he used that to his own advantage; be that free rides or sex.

I think Putter nailed it, she thought it was something far more than just sex.

I know he helped those kids in Mexico and all, but his testimony today doesn't change my original opinion.

- He knew he didn't want a relationship with the girl the night of the ball (Just a friend)
- He initiated the texting with the girl on day after the ball
- He made arrangements for her to pick him up that night (Why not Kelly?)
- He went there knowing sex was a possibility (Why no condom? What about Kelly?)
- He takes of his shoes, watch, gets on her bed and then spoons with her for 20 minutes (Just friends?)
- He gives her the business, doesn't wear a condom, and doesn't even make sure she finished
- He blows his load on her blanket and then stops talking to her and no longer goes near her physically
- He decided to not tell the girl he likes that he had sex with the other girl
- He cuts off all communication doesn't even ask for his watch back
- He deletes all his messages from his phone to hide it from the girl he actually likes
- He is not honest with the girl he likes until the night before the story went public

I hate to keep saying it, but his actions are the actions of a dirt bag. And you know what? I think he would agree with me.

He was ashamed of himself in the court room, especially when his dad was on the stand. His dad appears to be a truly honorable man. I think that's why Jordan had his face covered and was crying through most of his father's testimony.

He was ashamed because he knows he was a dirt bag.

No matter what, I hope all parties affected by this make it through okay. This is especially true for the families of the to two people at the center of this story.

I agree with everything you just said. But that would really make you cancel your season tickets because the QB is a dirtbag? The reality of life is, most college aged guys and girls are "dirtbags". I think you are overreacting just a little.

 

[grizfnz]

If I remember correctly, the First Step nurse prompted her to file a police report. She said something about telling the girl there were other victims so the alleged victim would be doing it for them. That was a lot of tweets ago, but maybe someone can find it and confirm.

The way I read it the nurse could tell the girl was on the fence and was convinced by the nurse that making a police report based off an exam that didn't really prove rape was somehow a noble thing.

That's when I believe it snowballed. Like Grisly Fan said, it was the perfect storm...First Step Nurse, the SARC counselor, Detective, Asst. Dean, all rallied behind her. Then O'Day, Pflu, and all the national media that followed.

The testimony today by the dean of students was telling on this point too. Her asking about the other victims that apparently didn't exist put the girl into tears. I think the girl knew she had been manipulated by the First Step Nurse.

Which could easily explain her anxiety. If she was emotional or showing signs of PTSD, all of it could have been explained by the stress she was under as a result of knowing that the basis of her story was untrue.

There is also the possibility of her identity being leaked. I'm not sure what the law is if Johnson is found not guilty, but if and when that happens all of her dirty laundry, all of the stuff that wasn't admitted during the trial, it will all be aired on twitter, Facebook, eGriz and probably some national media outlets -- Good Morning America was in the court room today.

Does that make her actions okay? No. Not at all. I don't condone or excuse her making a false accusation.

I can at least understand her motivations, but I can't understand Johnson's. As far as I can tell she was good to him. She liked him. He knew it. And he used that to his own advantage; be that free rides or sex.

I think Putter nailed it, she thought it was something far more than just sex.

I know he helped those kids in Mexico and all, but his testimony today doesn't change my original opinion.

- He knew he didn't want a relationship with the girl the night of the ball (Just a friend)
- He initiated the texting with the girl on day after the ball
- He made arrangements for her to pick him up that night (Why not Kelly?)
- He went there knowing sex was a possibility (Why no condom? What about Kelly?)
- He takes of his shoes, watch, gets on her bed and then spoons with her for 20 minutes (Just friends?)
- He gives her the business, doesn't wear a condom, and doesn't even make sure she finished
- He blows his load on her blanket and then stops talking to her and no longer goes near her physically
- He decided to not tell the girl he likes that he had sex with the other girl
- He cuts off all communication doesn't even ask for his watch back
- He deletes all his messages from his phone to hide it from the girl he actually likes
- He is not honest with the girl he likes until the night before the story went public

I hate to keep saying it, but his actions are the actions of a dirt bag. And you know what? I think he would agree with me.

He was ashamed of himself in the court room, especially when his dad was on the stand. His dad appears to be a truly honorable man. I think that's why Jordan had his face covered and was crying through most of his father's testimony.

He was ashamed because he knows he was a dirt bag.

No matter what, I hope all parties affected by this make it through okay. This is especially true for the families of the to two people at the center of this story.

I agree with everything you just said. But that would really make you cancel your season tickets because the QB is a dirtbag? The reality of life is, most college aged guys and girls are "dirtbags". I think you are overreacting just a little.

It does seem like overreaction, but maybe there is a single mother or dirtbag/deadbeat father somewhere in his or a close family friends history that has influenced his views.

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[Buttegrizzle]

Or maybe the 20 year old (or whatever his age is exactly) just made a bad choice. I suspect all of what he said is exactly true. He didn't go there expecting sex - but she made sex available and he capitalized on it in the heat of the moment. Immediately afterwards, he had regrets and so did she obviously. Hmmm. This sounds like a place I found myself in when I was in college....We live and learn. Most of us didn't get caught up in a political / judicial maelstrom over our bad choices however.

After acquittal I personally would love to see JJ stay at UM, play football, and use his obvious leadership skills to address all new UM athletes and students about choices and consequences. He could really be a powerful messenger and perhaps save some others from making mistakes.

 

[EverettGriz]

Or maybe the 20 year old (or whatever his age is exactly) just made a bad choice. I suspect all of what he said is exactly true. He didn't go there expecting sex - but she made sex available and he capitalized on it in the heat of the moment. Immediately afterwards, he had regrets and so did she obviously. Hmmm. This sounds like a place I found myself in when I was in college....We live and learn. Most of us didn't get caught up in a political / judicial maelstrom over our bad choices however.

After acquittal I personally would love to see JJ stay at UM, play football, and use his obvious leadership skills to address all new UM athletes and students about choices and consequences. He could really be a powerful messenger and perhaps save some others from making mistakes.

Excellent post. Agree completely with the leadership and counsel that JJ can provide to younger student athletes about the ramifications of their choices.

 

[spokaneman]

He didn't go there expecting sex .

Do you HONESTLY believe this to be true?... He does not have conversation with her for weeks

Then, the night after..., when drunk she blurts out a dumb comment HE initiates contact and sets up a "date"??...

All while nurturing a budding romance with a gal her REALLY cares for...

Supposedly he does not drink much, but that night he drank 4-6 beers in 45 min prior to his scheduled "date"...

How many times do YOU take off your watch if you are simply watching a movie at a "friends" house?...

'cmon - I KNOW people from Butte are smarter than that... Perhaps he did not rape her, but at least admit he knew that plans that night included sex....