Haslam possibly to Utah State!

[HelenaHandBasket]

Seems they struggled to replace him last time.

Ummmm, Pflu was a pretty damn good replacement.

And yet, he didn't last and the coaches continued.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Ummmm, Pflu was a pretty damn good replacement.

And yet, he didn't last and the coaches continued.

I am still bitter about it.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Yes they did because they had to deal with the scandal and sanctions that he left behind. Did Stitt’s offense ever put up 114 total yards?

I remember praying to get into the playoffs and getting our asses kicked by the cats a few times

 

[kemajic]

Yes they did because they had to deal with the scandal and sanctions that he left behind. Did Stitt’s offense ever put up 114 total yards?

I remember praying to get into the playoffs and getting our asses kicked by the cats a few times

And allowing opponents 500 yards.

 

[Ursus1]

I can see him wanting to go...he knows this Bobby 2.0 thing is not working and he has no control over it so get out before the implosion

 

[MikeyGriz]

What's the pay difference? That might have a little to do with it.

 

[Griz til I die]

I can see him wanting to go...he knows this Bobby 2.0 thing is not working and he has no control over it so get out before the implosion

We would be 7-1 and contending for the conference title right now with a healthy LJ. Nothing Bobby can do about him getting cheap shotted!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I can see him wanting to go...he knows this Bobby 2.0 thing is not working and he has no control over it so get out before the implosion

I don't think Kent believes "this Bobby 2.0 thing" isn't working. Some people are so fickle.

 

['68griz]

I can see him wanting to go...he knows this Bobby 2.0 thing is not working and he has no control over it so get out before the implosion

We would be 7-1 and contending for the conference title right now with a healthy LJ. Nothing Bobby can do about him getting cheap shotted!

But the whole success of the offense can't depend on one guy, and, in this case, it appears to do so. FWIW, the offense under LJ wasn't that glittery in the first place.

 

[Bok_Choi]

We would be 7-1 and contending for the conference title right now with a healthy LJ. Nothing Bobby can do about him getting cheap shotted!

Best of luck to Kent if he's the guy. Or wasn't this what this thread is about?

 

[SoldierGriz]

What's the pay difference? That might have a little to do with it.

I couldn't find the salary, but did find the assistant AD made over 300k.

Looks like he makes just over 200k with Griz.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

We would be 7-1 and contending for the conference title right now with a healthy LJ. Nothing Bobby can do about him getting cheap shotted!

But the whole success of the offense can't depend on one guy, and, in this case, it appears to do so. FWIW, the offense under LJ wasn't that glittery in the first place.

I think it is less about depending on LJ and more that it can't depend on KB.

 

[Ursus1]

I can see him wanting to go...he knows this Bobby 2.0 thing is not working and he has no control over it so get out before the implosion

I don't think Kent believes "this Bobby 2.0 thing" isn't working. Some people are so fickle.

So you think all is well in Grizville according to Kent? You think he sees no need to deal with 5 years of continued oline issues and QB issues? You don't think Kent cringes when Bobby acts like an ass to the media ( which was a major red flag by many when he got hired back that Kent was made well aware it but some boosters claimed Bobby had supposedly matured since the first time around and wouldn't treat the press the way he had so now knows he was fooled? You don't think Kent was sick of the emails about the #37 debacle, all brought on by one person and allowed to fester for weeks? You don't think he is sick of the emails about how Bobby handled the Crews situation by local people that know the true story? You don't think he reads, or hears the dissatisfaction on social media that has exploded teh last 3 weeks?

This year for many reasons it is not looking like it will end the way it was predicted (remember rose colored Griz fans thought this was the championship year, and apparently nation wide the idea was not out of sight)....and now we have 5 years and the promised RTD has not happened. Looking at about finishing around 5th place in the conference if things go well here on out....if they lose to the Cats and have 4 conference losses with one of them to MSU the masses will freak. The last time he witnessed that many pissed off fans was with a Stitt team with about the same record (but actually better in conference) , and after a Cat loss.....Stitt was fired. Do I think Bobby should be fired after a possible Cat loss if it happens NO, but if he doesn't make changes there will be a lot of Griz nation that will want that outcome. And Kent knows he is stuck with Bobby regardless how season ends, or what changes he does or doesn't make, he hired him and he has no control over him.

Of course he knows there are issues and that he effectively has no control over Bobby. Management 101....Any "boss" that isn't higher in the food chain than their subordinates is in big trouble management wise. Leaders need to lead, not follow or they are no longer the leader. Not a place I would want to work when things are not going great....especially when the biggest competitor (MSU) is gaining steam in so many ways. Pretty common that an AD's longevity / approval rating is based on his football hires. He sure isn't getting daily emails about the tennis coach, or their losing streak etc. Money talks, and there are a lot of donors that are starting to hold on to their checkbooks a little tighter already due to many of these issues and not as willing to spend money if there isn't a product the are happy with.....If AD's don't raise enough money they are in big trouble. Check out survival rate of AD;s when football programs underachieve in eyes of fans, it isn't favorable even though they never call a play, or recruit a player. That is why Bobby had to get rid of assistants at UNLV, the AD pushed to save his own neck, the difference here is Kent is a neutered puppy and he knows that.

I guess we will know more after about 3 weeks how this will all go into the offseason and how great of a job Kent thinks he has. My guess is he will leave if he gets a chance and would be smart to do so and maybe will learn next time to hire who he wants not necessarily who the power boosters push him to if he has reservations. He made his bed, now knows he has to sleep in it...or he can move and get a new bed.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't think Kent believes "this Bobby 2.0 thing" isn't working. Some people are so fickle.

So you think all is well in Grizville according to Kent? You think he sees no need to deal with 5 years of continued oline issues and QB issues? You don't think Kent cringes when Bobby acts like an ass to the media ( which was a major red flag by many when he got hired back that Kent was made well aware it but some boosters claimed Bobby had supposedly matured since the first time around and wouldn't treat the press the way he had so now knows he was fooled? You don't think Kent was sick of the emails about the #37 debacle, all brought on by one person and allowed to fester for weeks? You don't think he is sick of the emails about how Bobby handled the Crews situation by local people that know the true story? You don't think he reads, or hears the dissatisfaction on social media that has exploded teh last 3 weeks?

This year for many reasons it is not looking like it will end the way it was predicted (remember rose colored Griz fans thought this was the championship year, and apparently nation wide the idea was not out of sight)....and now we have 5 years and the promised RTD has not happened. Looking at about finishing around 5th place in the conference if things go well here on out....if they lose to the Cats and have 4 conference losses with one of them to MSU the masses will freak. The last time he witnessed that many pissed off fans was with a Stitt team with about the same record (but actually better in conference) , and after a Cat loss.....Stitt was fired. Do I think Bobby should be fired after a possible Cat loss if it happens NO, but if he doesn't make changes there will be a lot of Griz nation that will want that outcome. And Kent knows he is stuck with Bobby regardless how season ends, or what changes he does or doesn't make, he hired him and he has no control over him.

Of course he knows there are issues and that he effectively has no control over Bobby. Management 101....Any "boss" that isn't higher in the food chain than their subordinates is in big trouble management wise. Leaders need to lead, not follow or they are no longer the leader. Not a place I would want to work when things are not going great....especially when the biggest competitor (MSU) is gaining steam in so many ways. Pretty common that an AD's longevity / approval rating is based on his football hires. He sure isn't getting daily emails about the tennis coach, or their losing streak etc. Money talks, and there are a lot of donors that are starting to hold on to their checkbooks a little tighter already due to many of these issues and not as willing to spend money if there isn't a product the are happy with.....If AD's don't raise enough money they are in big trouble. Check out survival rate of AD;s when football programs underachieve in eyes of fans, it isn't favorable even though they never call a play, or recruit a player. That is why Bobby had to get rid of assistants at UNLV, the AD pushed to save his own neck, the difference here is Kent is a neutered puppy and he knows that.

I guess we will know more after about 3 weeks how this will all go into the offseason and how great of a job Kent thinks he has. My guess is he will leave if he gets a chance and would be smart to do so and maybe will learn next time to hire who he wants not necessarily who the power boosters push him to if he has reservations. He made his bed, now knows he has to sleep in it...or he can move and get a new bed.

I don't think you have an accurate read on the situation.

 

[41>37]

I don't think Kent believes "this Bobby 2.0 thing" isn't working. Some people are so fickle.

So you think all is well in Grizville according to Kent? You think he sees no need to deal with 5 years of continued oline issues and QB issues? You don't think Kent cringes when Bobby acts like an ass to the media ( which was a major red flag by many when he got hired back that Kent was made well aware it but some boosters claimed Bobby had supposedly matured since the first time around and wouldn't treat the press the way he had so now knows he was fooled? You don't think Kent was sick of the emails about the #37 debacle, all brought on by one person and allowed to fester for weeks? You don't think he is sick of the emails about how Bobby handled the Crews situation by local people that know the true story? You don't think he reads, or hears the dissatisfaction on social media that has exploded teh last 3 weeks?

This year for many reasons it is not looking like it will end the way it was predicted (remember rose colored Griz fans thought this was the championship year, and apparently nation wide the idea was not out of sight)....and now we have 5 years and the promised RTD has not happened. Looking at about finishing around 5th place in the conference if things go well here on out....if they lose to the Cats and have 4 conference losses with one of them to MSU the masses will freak. The last time he witnessed that many pissed off fans was with a Stitt team with about the same record (but actually better in conference) , and after a Cat loss.....Stitt was fired. Do I think Bobby should be fired after a possible Cat loss if it happens NO, but if he doesn't make changes there will be a lot of Griz nation that will want that outcome. And Kent knows he is stuck with Bobby regardless how season ends, or what changes he does or doesn't make, he hired him and he has no control over him.

Of course he knows there are issues and that he effectively has no control over Bobby. Management 101....Any "boss" that isn't higher in the food chain than their subordinates is in big trouble management wise. Leaders need to lead, not follow or they are no longer the leader. Not a place I would want to work when things are not going great....especially when the biggest competitor (MSU) is gaining steam in so many ways. Pretty common that an AD's longevity / approval rating is based on his football hires. He sure isn't getting daily emails about the tennis coach, or their losing streak etc. Money talks, and there are a lot of donors that are starting to hold on to their checkbooks a little tighter already due to many of these issues and not as willing to spend money if there isn't a product the are happy with.....If AD's don't raise enough money they are in big trouble. Check out survival rate of AD;s when football programs underachieve in eyes of fans, it isn't favorable even though they never call a play, or recruit a player. That is why Bobby had to get rid of assistants at UNLV, the AD pushed to save his own neck, the difference here is Kent is a neutered puppy and he knows that.

I guess we will know more after about 3 weeks how this will all go into the offseason and how great of a job Kent thinks he has. My guess is he will leave if he gets a chance and would be smart to do so and maybe will learn next time to hire who he wants not necessarily who the power boosters push him to if he has reservations. He made his bed, now knows he has to sleep in it...or he can move and get a new bed.

This is spot on! I know the truth hurts for all the Bobby worshipers out there.

 

[kemajic]

My guess is he will leave if he gets a chance and would be smart to do so and maybe will learn next time to hire who he wants

Thats how we wound up with Stitt. I don't think he wants to do that again.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yes they did because they had to deal with the scandal and sanctions that he left behind. Did Stitt’s offense ever put up 114 total yards?

I remember praying to get into the playoffs and getting our asses kicked by the cats a few times

Bobby has the exact same record against the ‘scats this time around as Stitt did through 3 games. FYI.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So you think all is well in Grizville according to Kent? You think he sees no need to deal with 5 years of continued oline issues and QB issues? You don't think Kent cringes when Bobby acts like an ass to the media ( which was a major red flag by many when he got hired back that Kent was made well aware it but some boosters claimed Bobby had supposedly matured since the first time around and wouldn't treat the press the way he had so now knows he was fooled? You don't think Kent was sick of the emails about the #37 debacle, all brought on by one person and allowed to fester for weeks? You don't think he is sick of the emails about how Bobby handled the Crews situation by local people that know the true story? You don't think he reads, or hears the dissatisfaction on social media that has exploded teh last 3 weeks?

This year for many reasons it is not looking like it will end the way it was predicted (remember rose colored Griz fans thought this was the championship year, and apparently nation wide the idea was not out of sight)....and now we have 5 years and the promised RTD has not happened. Looking at about finishing around 5th place in the conference if things go well here on out....if they lose to the Cats and have 4 conference losses with one of them to MSU the masses will freak. The last time he witnessed that many pissed off fans was with a Stitt team with about the same record (but actually better in conference) , and after a Cat loss.....Stitt was fired. Do I think Bobby should be fired after a possible Cat loss if it happens NO, but if he doesn't make changes there will be a lot of Griz nation that will want that outcome. And Kent knows he is stuck with Bobby regardless how season ends, or what changes he does or doesn't make, he hired him and he has no control over him.

Of course he knows there are issues and that he effectively has no control over Bobby. Management 101....Any "boss" that isn't higher in the food chain than their subordinates is in big trouble management wise. Leaders need to lead, not follow or they are no longer the leader. Not a place I would want to work when things are not going great....especially when the biggest competitor (MSU) is gaining steam in so many ways. Pretty common that an AD's longevity / approval rating is based on his football hires. He sure isn't getting daily emails about the tennis coach, or their losing streak etc. Money talks, and there are a lot of donors that are starting to hold on to their checkbooks a little tighter already due to many of these issues and not as willing to spend money if there isn't a product the are happy with.....If AD's don't raise enough money they are in big trouble. Check out survival rate of AD;s when football programs underachieve in eyes of fans, it isn't favorable even though they never call a play, or recruit a player. That is why Bobby had to get rid of assistants at UNLV, the AD pushed to save his own neck, the difference here is Kent is a neutered puppy and he knows that.

I guess we will know more after about 3 weeks how this will all go into the offseason and how great of a job Kent thinks he has. My guess is he will leave if he gets a chance and would be smart to do so and maybe will learn next time to hire who he wants not necessarily who the power boosters push him to if he has reservations. He made his bed, now knows he has to sleep in it...or he can move and get a new bed.

I don't think you have an accurate read on the situation.

What aspects of the situation do you think he’s misreading, and why do you think that?

 

[Allezchat]

Well if I thought we could hire somebody that would have the balls and administrative support to stand up to both BH and TDC I would hope the short list only has his name on it. Sadly those two would probably head up a new recruitment committee. Somedays it can just seem hopeless. Certainly a package deal to Utah State would cheer me up but I'm not getting my hopes up as we know the credibility and/or sadistic cruelty of the person who brought that up..

What's wrong with Decuire? He's a great guy and a good coach. Not sure why you're unhappy with him.

As far as Bobby, we're lucky to have him. I know people are always quick to blame the coach when things aren't going well (some warranted, some not) however let's put this into perspective for a minute. We were a blown call away from beating the #2 team in the country on the road in a game where our starting QB was knocked out of the game. Then one week later, you stay out on the road taking on the #5 team in the country who was coming off a really humiliating loss themselves with a backup QB who can't punch his way out of a paper bag, and only lose by 3. You have your starting QB in both of those games, you run away with both of them easily IMO. Now granted, I disagree with Bobby's decision to stick with KB at backup QB, but I don't think the O-line has been anywhere near as bad as several posters on this board have proclaimed it to be. We will literally have 4 starters returning to the team next year on the line (assuming they all stay). Now as for assistant coaches screaming at the players, I personally don't have a problem with that depending on the scope and severity of it. I had a Basketball coach who used to scream all the time, and nobody ever quit because of it. Now if they scream more in the sense that it's verbal abuse, then that's a completely different story and should be addressed.

Now for Kent. If this is his dream job, then he should take it. Logan is home for him, his family is there, and I would not blame him if he wanted this job. That said, this does not feel like a step up. Feels much more like a lateral move. USU does not have anywhere near as good of facilities, fan base, tradition, and even programs as good as UM, but in Haslam's eyes there are lots of other reasons to take this job.

As for UM, I know Greg Sundberg just got promoted to Deputy AD in the Spring. Whether or not he would want the job I don't know, but I will say that he's got a great personality, he's extremely well like by the staff and boosters, and that man can flat out fundraise. If he were to want the job, I think he'd be a great choice, but I would also be open to bringing in a new voice with new perspective and new leadership. I think that could do us a lot of good, and I think Bodnar could do a pretty good job of hiring someone potentially young and energetic that could really take the department to new heights.

We'll have to see how it all shakes out.

Also little know fact about Greg. His wife was a cheerleader at CMR. Cool story they have been together thay Ling.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't think you have an accurate read on the situation.

What aspects of the situation do you think he’s misreading, and why do you think that?

All I will say is Ken was in the know on quite a few of the items and that the relationship is not anywhere as grave as Ursus wants to believe.