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Griz Soccer Coach Fired...

AGAAAINNNN.....I think what Haslam did was fine. AGAAAIINNNN have we already forgotten the reasons why our athletic dept. may want to control every narrative that may come about?? Jesus people, how quickly we forget how easily a program can be attacked and shit on.

The way I see it, Haslam, once he had this brought to his attention, did the research, immediately FIRED the coach, possibly preventing a Michigan State scenario....and than just gave limited information about why he was fired, chose to let out very little real info.

I get how that can be frustrating to people not in the know...including myself and basically everyone not involved in the soccer team, but I dont see any reason to go at Haslam for this.
 
I think the biggest issue people are having is that the initial response made it seem like this was just a resignation by the coach and the university accepted it. It seems like they should have made a similar statement like they did with Stitt. We are not renewing the contract or something along those lines. I understand the cover your a** part of it. You don't want to say something that will end up with the coach getting a settlement like Kramer did. If you truly want to control the narrative, put yourself as the one who made the decision, not the coach, but say no other comment at this time.
 
When the news broke on Tuesday, did anyone really think this was a resignation? If so, that’s pretty tone deaf. If you read Haslam between the (legalese) lines, it was so obvious he was fired.

“It was mutually agreed it was time for him to move on”
 
mtgriz said:
When the news broke on Tuesday, did anyone really think this was a resignation? If so, that’s pretty tone deaf. If you read Haslam between the (legalese) lines, it was so obvious he was fired.

“It was mutually agreed it was time for him to move on”

I have to admit that at the time, I didn't see it, but when I look back, I do see it. I think what people have a problem with is the "mutually agreed" part. When it involves misuse of the University cell phone and what appears to be inappropriate contact with his players people wanted to hear something else. Something like the University has decided to move in a different direction, or the coaches contract is terminated and we can not provide any other details at this time.

Perception is reality right now for the University and the perception is that this was not done in a way that had these young women's interests first. I don't think it is true, but it can be perceived that way based on the first 2 pages of this thread.
 
Jeez, what's a poor guy got to do to get laid in Missoula? Take the show on the road and you can't even get a hooker in Vegas? Poor bastard.
 
I think the biggest issue for me is what/how it was stated. One day, the soccer coach has resigned and Kent gives the old "we both discussed it and it was a mutual decision". The next day (literally) the Missoulian reports the guy was fired for texting with escort services in Vegas and for some players coming forward with alleged inappropriate behavior allegations and Kent comes out and says "yes we fired him and I was trying to respect him as an individual and person".

Why not just come out and tell the truth from the jump. Are there legal concerns with what Kent or UM says of the situation? Retaliation or wrongful firing stuff? Maybe PR can shed some light because that's the part that rubbed me wrong.

At the end of the day he was investigated and fired and for that I'm happy with the handling.
 
Ursa Major said:
New rule: no more hiring coaches with names that rhyme with clitorus.

...somewhere in there lies the title of kracks new book...

... :shock: ...
 
HookedonGriz said:
I think the biggest issue for me is what/how it was stated. One day, the soccer coach has resigned and Kent gives the old "we both discussed it and it was a mutual decision". The next day (literally) the Missoulian reports the guy was fired for texting with escort services in Vegas and for some players coming forward with alleged inappropriate behavior allegations and Kent comes out and says "yes we fired him and I was trying to respect him as an individual and person".

Why not just come out and tell the truth from the jump. Are there legal concerns with what Kent or UM says of the situation? Retaliation or wrongful firing stuff? Maybe PR can shed some light because that's the part that rubbed me wrong.

At the end of the day he was investigated and fired and for that I'm happy with the handling.

I don't have anything to add on one, but try anyway. Have no inside info. Generally, it's not a good idea to hammer someone, from a legal or HR point of view, . I suppose it could have been handled a bit different, with Haslam choosing other words. He probably didn't assume that two players were going to spill their view of the beans to the Missoulian right away. If our society has changed so much that it's not enough to take prompt and strong action (at least after it came up recently), and an employer needs to berate someone as they are moved along--in order to make the "victims" feel respected or appreciated, in a fairly minor situation like this--then I don't agree with where society has gone or is going. Sorry, this situation has nothing to do with Mich. St. It appears to be pretty minor to me.

I would be curious to know the views of the other players on the team, other than the two who spoke anonymously to the Missoulian.

I agree with your last sentence. My view too, based on what I read.
 
EverettGriz said:
Coach:

We have a saying that goes something along the lines of, "Once a GRIZ always a GRIZ".

Well, you can go F___ yourself. You were never a GRIZ.


As for Kent, I will bet you $10,000,000 that UM's legal and HR departments wanted to call it a resignation. Believe me, it will save everyone a lot of time and money, although it does suck shit.

Bingo.....
 
grizpack said:
EverettGriz said:
Coach:

We have a saying that goes something along the lines of, "Once a GRIZ always a GRIZ".

Well, you can go F___ yourself. You were never a GRIZ.


As for Kent, I will bet you $10,000,000 that UM's legal and HR departments wanted to call it a resignation. Believe me, it will save everyone a lot of time and money, although it does suck shit.

Bingo.....

That is kind of what I was thinking. I is probably the only thing we ever learned from the school to the east. Let a person go and shut up. The Kramer settlement has resonated in State HR departments ever since.
 
Wasn’t there a top fbs coach that got popped for the exact same thing last year? Can’t think of his name. I seem to recall that dude’s excuse was that the calls were actually accidental (multiple) butt-dials. Which is hilarious on several levels.
I think that’s why Haslem did it that way and kept saying “circumstantial evidence.” Looks horrible but not proven. Always best to get ee to resign, esp in a circumstantial situ
 
HookedonGriz said:
I think the biggest issue for me is what/how it was stated. One day, the soccer coach has resigned and Kent gives the old "we both discussed it and it was a mutual decision". The next day (literally) the Missoulian reports the guy was fired for texting with escort services in Vegas and for some players coming forward with alleged inappropriate behavior allegations and Kent comes out and says "yes we fired him and I was trying to respect him as an individual and person".

Why not just come out and tell the truth from the jump. Are there legal concerns with what Kent or UM says of the situation? Retaliation or wrongful firing stuff? Maybe PR can shed some light because that's the part that rubbed me wrong.

At the end of the day he was investigated and fired and for that I'm happy with the handling.

Hooked, the short answer to your questions is "yes".

Back in my corporate Human Resource executive days, we called these firings "RETPOO's". Whenever we would be in a position to fire someone (generally a mid-manager level or above), we would give them a chance to resign instead, and then we would immediately put out a tersely worded email that they chose to "Resign To Pursue Other Opportunities". Everyone knew what happened, of course, any time a retpoo email went out. They knew it wasn't the employee's decision.

The reason we did that was because any time you fire someone, even if you have just cause, the employee has rights to take action. For example, they can file for unemployment. In this case, UM would deny that claim as they would feel strongly their firing was for just cause. But the coach could appeal that decision, which leads to a hearing and possibly discovery, all of which would be available to the public (press) via a FOIA filing. It's highly doubtful the coach would be successful, but there are certainly reasons (including costs, expenses) why it's best to avoid this.

Likewise, the coach could file suit, again requiring discovery, interrogatories, etc. Again, it's difficult for me to believe he'd prevail, but any action like this keeps the issue in the news cycle and runs up defense costs quickly. In addition, you run the risk of negative publicity. Let's say during discovery that it was determined that others on campus occasionally used their phones for inappropriate/non-state purposes. Now, I doubt that there are too many of them out there ordering up some hookers, but they may be having an affair and texting on that phone to avoid detection from their spouse. Or whatever. Why expose UM to that kind of negative publicity?

Get the offender to resign, carefully craft the wording of his resignation notice in a way that leaves no doubt that he was forced to do so, and you alleviate and prevent all of those potential problems while still letting people know you took appropriate action.
 
EverettGriz said:
HookedonGriz said:
I think the biggest issue for me is what/how it was stated. One day, the soccer coach has resigned and Kent gives the old "we both discussed it and it was a mutual decision". The next day (literally) the Missoulian reports the guy was fired for texting with escort services in Vegas and for some players coming forward with alleged inappropriate behavior allegations and Kent comes out and says "yes we fired him and I was trying to respect him as an individual and person".

Why not just come out and tell the truth from the jump. Are there legal concerns with what Kent or UM says of the situation? Retaliation or wrongful firing stuff? Maybe PR can shed some light because that's the part that rubbed me wrong.

At the end of the day he was investigated and fired and for that I'm happy with the handling.

Hooked, the short answer to your questions is "yes".

Back in my corporate Human Resource executive days, we called these firings "RETPOO's". Whenever we would be in a position to fire someone (generally a mid-manager level or above), we would give them a chance to resign instead, and then we would immediately put out a tersely worded email that they chose to "Resign To Pursue Other Opportunities". Everyone knew what happened, of course, any time a retpoo email went out. They knew it wasn't the employee's decision.

The reason we did that was because any time you fire someone, even if you have just cause, the employee has rights to take action. For example, they can file for unemployment. In this case, UM would deny that claim as they would feel strongly their firing was for just cause. But the coach could appeal that decision, which leads to a hearing and possibly discovery, all of which would be available to the public (press) via a FOIA filing. It's highly doubtful the coach would be successful, but there are certainly reasons (including costs, expenses) why it's best to avoid this.

Likewise, the coach could file suit, again requiring discovery, interrogatories, etc. Again, it's difficult for me to believe he'd prevail, but any action like this keeps the issue in the news cycle and runs up defense costs quickly. In addition, you run the risk of negative publicity. Let's say during discovery that it was determined that others on campus occasionally used their phones for inappropriate/non-state purposes. Now, I doubt that there are too many of them out there ordering up some hookers, but they may be having an affair and texting on that phone to avoid detection from their spouse. Or whatever. Why expose UM to that kind of negative publicity?

Get the offender to resign, carefully craft the wording of his resignation notice in a way that leaves no doubt that he was forced to do so, and you alleviate and prevent all of those potential problems while still letting people know you took appropriate action.

Solid stuff. Love the retpoo acronym. I may have to find a way to utilize that one more but make it my own. Thanks for sharing!

Really entertaining type people over onhere...retpoo.....damn I was close
 
I am not asking for UM to do anything different officially unless it comes out that more went on than has been reported. I sure hope not and I think as it stands now it is best for no more official UM action as effectively the right thing has been done and swiftly as far as I can tell. The players involved can rest assured that between the Missoulian article and the UM statement and actions the public knows that his resignation was the result of his bad behavior rather than voluntary on his part.
 
EverettGriz said:
HookedonGriz said:
I think the biggest issue for me is what/how it was stated. One day, the soccer coach has resigned and Kent gives the old "we both discussed it and it was a mutual decision". The next day (literally) the Missoulian reports the guy was fired for texting with escort services in Vegas and for some players coming forward with alleged inappropriate behavior allegations and Kent comes out and says "yes we fired him and I was trying to respect him as an individual and person".

Why not just come out and tell the truth from the jump. Are there legal concerns with what Kent or UM says of the situation? Retaliation or wrongful firing stuff? Maybe PR can shed some light because that's the part that rubbed me wrong.

At the end of the day he was investigated and fired and for that I'm happy with the handling.

Hooked, the short answer to your questions is "yes".

Back in my corporate Human Resource executive days, we called these firings "RETPOO's". Whenever we would be in a position to fire someone (generally a mid-manager level or above), we would give them a chance to resign instead, and then we would immediately put out a tersely worded email that they chose to "Resign To Pursue Other Opportunities". Everyone knew what happened, of course, any time a retpoo email went out. They knew it wasn't the employee's decision.

The reason we did that was because any time you fire someone, even if you have just cause, the employee has rights to take action. For example, they can file for unemployment. In this case, UM would deny that claim as they would feel strongly their firing was for just cause. But the coach could appeal that decision, which leads to a hearing and possibly discovery, all of which would be available to the public (press) via a FOIA filing. It's highly doubtful the coach would be successful, but there are certainly reasons (including costs, expenses) why it's best to avoid this.

Likewise, the coach could file suit, again requiring discovery, interrogatories, etc. Again, it's difficult for me to believe he'd prevail, but any action like this keeps the issue in the news cycle and runs up defense costs quickly. In addition, you run the risk of negative publicity. Let's say during discovery that it was determined that others on campus occasionally used their phones for inappropriate/non-state purposes. Now, I doubt that there are too many of them out there ordering up some hookers, but they may be having an affair and texting on that phone to avoid detection from their spouse. Or whatever. Why expose UM to that kind of negative publicity?

Get the offender to resign, carefully craft the wording of his resignation notice in a way that leaves no doubt that he was forced to do so, and you alleviate and prevent all of those potential problems while still letting people know you took appropriate action.

Very clearly worded & helpful info. Thanks for the perspectives.
 
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