Griz Fans Accept Mediocrity Now

[tnt]

The point is the RE made the decision to fire the guys. He didn't have to fire them. He didn't even have good reason to fire them, in my view (and the view of many others). The several criminal things didn't force him to fire them. Except at Penn St, no president in the history of ncaa football has fired both the coach and AD at the same time. I assume you don't think UM's situation was the 2d worst criminal situation in the history of college sports.

RE over-reacted and made a huge mistake. UM is paying for that and other of his many mistakes. Their firings shouldn't, and I say can't, be blamed on some players. RE make the huge mistake.
His poor thinking and analysis was 90% plus of the mistake, compared to a relatively low percentage by the players. Note that of all the sexual assault (from rumors to major incidents), only 1 person went to jail (or was convicted or plead guilty). Only 1 other was even charged. They were the only 2 named in the police blotter (if JJ is included), in terms of sexual assault. Just a huge over-reaction. No player who was "charged" by UM for sexual assault and got a lawyer to fight the charges, was ever tossed out of school (I was told on good authority).

That might all be true but unfortunately except in the court system public opinion isn't put on hold, perception is not on hold and action needed taken. Hell even Jarred got fired from Subway based on public opinion and association WELL before it hit the legal system. He was of far greater value than either JOD or Phlugrad. While I believe JOD should have been the only one fired in the Athletic Department along with Jim Foley, he saved time getting rid of Phlugrad. Its Phlus mouth that got him trouble here and it was his PERFORMANCE and his mouth that ended his career after ISU. Had he kept his mouth shut and fallen on his sword, he'd be coaching today.

 

[PlayerRep]

People/leaders who can't evaluate and stand up to public opinion, are not real leaders and shouldn't be in the job in the first place.

What are you talking about with Pflu? ISU? He didn't ever coach there? His mouth/performance didn't cause him to not have a job in WSU either, where he did coach in year 2. The WSU head coach took another job, and the assistants lost their jobs (which is the way the coaching world works). And Pflu's career isn't over. It's been severely impacted by RE firing him, but he's currently coaching.

 

[Hammer]

Wow. This thread is a refresher as to why I don't visit or post on this board as much as I used to. Talk about a lot of people with WAY too much time on their hands!!! :roll:

 

[jodcon]

Wow. This thread is a refresher as to why I don't visit or post on this board as much as I used to. Talk about a lot of people with WAY too much time on their hands!!! :roll:

Seems kinda mediocre to me.

 

[tnt]

Excuse me Weber state.

But where is he coaching? last I heard he was "consulting"

 

[statler & waldorf]

RE is the problem. Three and a half years later he's still in place. How to get him OUT is the question. EGriz mobilized when Schweitzer nominated Pat Williams to the BOR. Is there a possibility of channelling efforts to dump Royce?

 

[IdaGriz01]

... What are you talking about with Pflu? ISU? He didn't ever coach there? His mouth/performance didn't cause him to not have a job in WSU either, where he did coach in year 2. The WSU head coach took another job, and the assistants lost their jobs (which is the way the coaching world works). And Pflu's career isn't over. It's been severely impacted by RE firing him, but he's currently coaching.

"Severely impacted" might be under-stating the situation:

Robin Pflugrad, who was the tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator at WSU from 2001-05, is the lead assistant and offensive coordinator at Phoenix College. Pflugrad was hired by Phoenix head coach Dan Cozzetto, a longtime Pac-10/12 assistant, who was hired to rebuild the junior college program in January. Pflugrad spent this past year out of coaching, serving as a football consultant for a number of college programs and doing some broadcasting work. He also penned some wildly popular "Coach's Chalkboard" columns on Cougfan.com this past season. The 2015 campaign will be his 30th season coaching.

Phoenix College is, BTW, in Phoenix (obviously) with about 12 thousand students. For all intents and purposes, the disaster (for him) at UM ended Pflugrad's career. Hopefully, he's managed his finances well enough to enter a reasonably comfortable retirement after playing out the string. While he might have hopes, at his age, he's not likely to be getting any top opportunities. Sad.

 

[ordigger]

I don't understand your analogy. Spoons and guns are tools. They don't have free will as players do. That is one of the both wonderful and dangerous things about human beings. I'm sure there are many coaches that wish their players could be used as a tool to do with what they want. One caveat: RE IS a TOOL.

The point is the RE made the decision to fire the guys. He didn't have to fire them. He didn't even have good reason to fire them, in my view (and the view of many others). The several criminal things didn't force him to fire them. Except at Penn St, no president in the history of ncaa football has fired both the coach and AD at the same time. I assume you don't think UM's situation was the 2d worst criminal situation in the history of college sports.

RE over-reacted and made a huge mistake. UM is paying for that and other of his many mistakes. Their firings shouldn't, and I say can't, be blamed on some players. RE make the huge mistake.
His poor thinking and analysis was 90% plus of the mistake, compared to a relatively low percentage by the players. Note that of all the sexual assault (from rumors to major incidents), only 1 person went to jail (or was convicted or plead guilty). Only 1 other was even charged. They were the only 2 named in the police blotter (if JJ is included), in terms of sexual assault. Just a huge over-reaction. No player who was "charged" by UM for sexual assault and got a lawyer to fight the charges, was ever tossed out of school (I was told on good authority).

Agreed. You stand behind your people until all the facts are in. RE was covering his ancient and boney ass. But the spoon thing was confusing.

Spooning and Asses sort of come together though.

 

[tnt]

RE is the problem. Three and a half years later he's still in place. How to get him OUT is the question. EGriz mobilized when Schweitzer nominated Pat Williams to the BOR. Is there a possibility of channelling efforts to dump Royce?

So long as he continues to bring in the grant$ and develops research and academic growth as a result he will be awfully hard to replace. Whether or not he had ANYTHING to do with the massive facility improvements (for athletics) or not it happened under his watch. The hires in the athletic department are going to have to completely flame out to show any failure there...........

As far as enrollment, he need to quit graduating what he has......

 

[CV Griz Fan]

People/leaders who can't evaluate and stand up to public opinion, are not real leaders and shouldn't be in the job in the first place.

What are you talking about with Pflu? ISU? He didn't ever coach there? His mouth/performance didn't cause him to not have a job in WSU either, where he did coach in year 2. The WSU head coach took another job, and the assistants lost their jobs (which is the way the coaching world works). And Pflu's career isn't over. It's been severely impacted by RE firing him, but he's currently coaching.

I have said this a couple of times on this board. PR is on the right side of THIS issue IMO. RE displayed poor leadership in how he handled
this whole crisis. He got "weak in the knees" pure and simple. Pflu showed his backbone by standing up for JJ who was proven not guilty. O'Day probably showed his backbone by not firing Pflu when RE demanded it. Sometimes integrity is more important than a job. RE has proven he is a poor leader on other issues too..... In any event, the causation argument saying that the "police blotter" got Pflu/O'Day fired, doesn't hold water IMO. But I agree with some posters that this sad chapter in the history of Griz nation must be "moved on" from.

 

[tnt]

As far Jody Sears at WSU, he was fired. He didn't willingly take a big step "down" as you insinuate PR. In fact after going 4 -19 he was fired after year 2 of his 3 year contract contract. A losing Football Proram is not really a big deal to Weber. Image is. There was no small amount of consternation about Pflus comments following his NCAA suspension and "return to Montana." No program wants a coaches name in the paper especially an assistant coach when its in a bad light or sour grapes. If Pflu had said with gritted teeth, that a fresh start is what Montana needed and he understood why his contract was not renewed. He would have been in a MUCH better position.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't understand your analogy. Spoons and guns are tools. They don't have free will as players do. That is one of the both wonderful and dangerous things about human beings. I'm sure there are many coaches that wish their players could be used as a tool to do with what they want. One caveat: RE IS a TOOL.

The point is the RE made the decision to fire the guys. He didn't have to fire them. He didn't even have good reason to fire them, in my view (and the view of many others). The several criminal things didn't force him to fire them. Except at Penn St, no president in the history of ncaa football has fired both the coach and AD at the same time. I assume you don't think UM's situation was the 2d worst criminal situation in the history of college sports.

RE over-reacted and made a huge mistake. UM is paying for that and other of his many mistakes. Their firings shouldn't, and I say can't, be blamed on some players. RE make the huge mistake.
His poor thinking and analysis was 90% plus of the mistake, compared to a relatively low percentage by the players. Note that of all the sexual assault (from rumors to major incidents), only 1 person went to jail (or was convicted or plead guilty). Only 1 other was even charged. They were the only 2 named in the police blotter (if JJ is included), in terms of sexual assault. Just a huge over-reaction. No player who was "charged" by UM for sexual assault and got a lawyer to fight the charges, was ever tossed out of school (I was told on good authority).

No one that I know of is arguing the point that RE overreacted.

But overreacted to WHAT, might I ask?

Oh, that's right. PLAYERS IN THE POLICE BLOTTER EVERY OTHER FUCKING WEEK. Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Or, maybe you don't. I'm not sure whether you're just trolling here or really DON'T see the difference between this and your spoon/fat analogy.

 

[Umista]

I was starting to feel good after a long absence from football...until the past got played over and over on this post.

RE did wrong. He was way to close to radicals like Pat Williams and he fired people BEFORE he thought it out.
He needed to take action but what he did was stupid. Atlanta was right in stating the result as he put us miles behind and cost us years of XXXX. Mediocrity was caused by RE. Period. Luck on the grants was just that, right place at the right time. Washington's dislike him but gave anyway for other people and issues.

Now? I'd like to see Royce leave. I'd love to see our athletic program rise to the top. And I sure as hell want to enjoy the game next saturday!

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't understand your analogy. Spoons and guns are tools. They don't have free will as players do. That is one of the both wonderful and dangerous things about human beings. I'm sure there are many coaches that wish their players could be used as a tool to do with what they want. One caveat: RE IS a TOOL.

The point is the RE made the decision to fire the guys. He didn't have to fire them. He didn't even have good reason to fire them, in my view (and the view of many others). The several criminal things didn't force him to fire them. Except at Penn St, no president in the history of ncaa football has fired both the coach and AD at the same time. I assume you don't think UM's situation was the 2d worst criminal situation in the history of college sports.

RE over-reacted and made a huge mistake. UM is paying for that and other of his many mistakes. Their firings shouldn't, and I say can't, be blamed on some players. RE make the huge mistake.
His poor thinking and analysis was 90% plus of the mistake, compared to a relatively low percentage by the players. Note that of all the sexual assault (from rumors to major incidents), only 1 person went to jail (or was convicted or plead guilty). Only 1 other was even charged. They were the only 2 named in the police blotter (if JJ is included), in terms of sexual assault. Just a huge over-reaction. No player who was "charged" by UM for sexual assault and got a lawyer to fight the charges, was ever tossed out of school (I was told on good authority).

No one that I know of is arguing the point that RE overreacted.

But overreacted to WHAT, might I ask?

Oh, that's right. PLAYERS IN THE POLICE BLOTTER EVERY OTHER f***[*] WEEK. Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Or, maybe you don't. I'm not sure whether you're just trolling here or really DON'T see the difference between this and your spoon/fat analogy.

No, I don't get it. Feel free to list all of the players that were in the police plotter every other week before the two were fired, what they were in the blotter for, and what the result of their incident was. I know you can't because shat you are saying is just plain not supported by the facts.

No, I don't see the difference between the spoon/fat/gun analogy and this. You, of all people, should understand. You make the exact same argument every day, that I made in this thread. I caught you in a mistake or being hypocritical, and you either don't understand or won't admit it. I look forward to any response. I will fight you to the death (yours not mine) on this one.

 

[PlayerRep]

As far Jody Sears at WSU, he was fired. He didn't willingly take a big step "down" as you insinuate PR. In fact after going 4 -19 he was fired after year 2 of his 3 year contract contract. A losing Football Proram is not really a big deal to Weber. Image is. There was no small amount of consternation about Pflus comments following his NCAA suspension and "return to Montana." No program wants a coaches name in the paper especially an assistant coach when its in a bad light or sour grapes. If Pflu had said with gritted teeth, that a fresh start is what Montana needed and he understood why his contract was not renewed. He would have been in a MUCH better position.

TNT, you don't know what you're talking about. Virtually everything you just said is wrong.

Feel free to point out any comments that Pflu made after the ncaa stuff. Feel free to point out any mistakes that you think Pflu made that lead to the ncaa sanctions. You're just making stuff up, as you frequently do.

The Weber president and AD liked Pflu. That's why they hired him.

Weber has won 4 games in the two years since Sears was there. They would have won more games had they kept him.

And what I said about Sears is "he took another job", which he did. I said nothing about how he left. I didn't say he took a lessor job, and he didn't. Sac St has been a much better team than Weber in recent years. Sac St was a step up from Weber. Here's a link to an article about how Sears left Weber: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865591380/Weber-States-Jody-Sears-relieved-of-duties-as-Wildcats-head-football-coach.html?pg=all

 

[PlayerRep]

I was starting to feel good after a long absence from football...until the past got played over and over on this post.

RE did wrong. He was way to close to radicals like Pat Williams and he fired people BEFORE he thought it out.
He needed to take action but what he did was stupid. Atlanta was right in stating the result as he put us miles behind and cost us years of XXXX. Mediocrity was caused by RE. Period. Luck on the grants was just that, right place at the right time. Washington's dislike him but gave anyway for other people and issues.

Now? I'd like to see Royce leave. I'd love to see our athletic program rise to the top. And I sure as hell want to enjoy the game next saturday!

Yup. Surprising that some of these jokers can see or admit this.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't understand your analogy. Spoons and guns are tools. They don't have free will as players do. That is one of the both wonderful and dangerous things about human beings. I'm sure there are many coaches that wish their players could be used as a tool to do with what they want. One caveat: RE IS a TOOL.

The point is the RE made the decision to fire the guys. He didn't have to fire them. He didn't even have good reason to fire them, in my view (and the view of many others). The several criminal things didn't force him to fire them. Except at Penn St, no president in the history of ncaa football has fired both the coach and AD at the same time. I assume you don't think UM's situation was the 2d worst criminal situation in the history of college sports.

RE over-reacted and made a huge mistake. UM is paying for that and other of his many mistakes. Their firings shouldn't, and I say can't, be blamed on some players. RE make the huge mistake.
His poor thinking and analysis was 90% plus of the mistake, compared to a relatively low percentage by the players. Note that of all the sexual assault (from rumors to major incidents), only 1 person went to jail (or was convicted or plead guilty). Only 1 other was even charged. They were the only 2 named in the police blotter (if JJ is included), in terms of sexual assault. Just a huge over-reaction. No player who was "charged" by UM for sexual assault and got a lawyer to fight the charges, was ever tossed out of school (I was told on good authority).

No one that I know of is arguing the point that RE overreacted.

But overreacted to WHAT, might I ask?

Oh, that's right. PLAYERS IN THE POLICE BLOTTER EVERY OTHER f***[*] WEEK. Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Or, maybe you don't. I'm not sure whether you're just trolling here or really DON'T see the difference between this and your spoon/fat analogy.

No, I don't get it. Feel free to list all of the players that were in the police plotter every other week before the two were fired, what they were in the blotter for, and what the result of their incident was. I know you can't because shat you are saying is just plain not supported by the facts.

No, I don't see the difference between the spoon/fat/gun analogy and this. You, of all people, should understand. You make the exact same argument every day, that I made in this thread. I caught you in a mistake or being hypocritical, and you either don't understand or won't admit it. I look forward to any response. I will fight you to the death (yours not mine) on this one.

That's already been explained. A spoon is an inanimate object. A person has free will. That's why we're at the top of the food chain. And you're right, I can't list all the players that were in the police blotter every other week because I already said that's an exaggeration. You should read slower.

 

[PlayerRep]

Oops, wrong thread. My bad.

 

[NDSUSR]

Griz will be back on top within 10 years. Fact.
Sorry to disagree with all the Griz fans.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I was starting to feel good after a long absence from football...until the past got played over and over on this post.

RE did wrong. He was way to close to radicals like Pat Williams and he fired people BEFORE he thought it out.
He needed to take action but what he did was stupid. Atlanta was right in stating the result as he put us miles behind and cost us years of XXXX. Mediocrity was caused by RE. Period. Luck on the grants was just that, right place at the right time. Washington's dislike him but gave anyway for other people and issues.

Now? I'd like to see Royce leave. I'd love to see our athletic program rise to the top. And I sure as hell want to enjoy the game next saturday!

Yup. Surprising that some of these jokers can see or admit this.

People can't admit it because it would be too simple. Pflu got the Griz to the quarter finals. RE over reacts to the rape allegations and fires him mid stream. The Griz program stumbles for a few years. Now people have to answer for the decision. It makes people feel uncomfortable because of the clear demarcation line...Nobody wants to be reminded of the outcome. People go into denial mode. Rinse and repeat....