Ferris State

[ElrodGrizzly]

Legitimately not trying to argue with you on this, but get your thoughts. You're totally welcome to your opinion on that. It's subjective, and either of us could be right or wrong.

Real question, though: Where do you think Ferris would be in the FCS? Do you think they are a better team than, say, Western Illinois or Indiana State? I would think that they would be better than those, but would they be a playoff team? Top-30?

Yes. They beat those teams. They are immediately a playoff team...top 15.

That's interesting. I honestly don't know enough about Division II football to judge that. That is kind of surprising to me, but at the same time I know that the weakest teams in the FCS are really just not very good or very well funded.

If they are that good, though, that they would be a playoff team, isn't the upside that we scheduled a tough team that will help get us ready for conference play? I know there is a huge downside, but maybe that will be a good thing for us and that will be the upset.

 

[Alaska Griz]

History lesson: Central Washington at Montana, 2008. Read about it....
https://gogriz.com/news/2008/9/27/Grizzlies_outlast_Central_Washington_38_35
Mike Reilly, a Kalispell product, damn near slew the Griz in WGS. I was one of the 25,326 there. Reilly was amazing.
Anyone who thinks Ferris State couldn't come into WGS and knock off the Griz is a fool. Some of you would have to admit that Growler actually speaks wisdom, at least some of the time. Well, you'd admit it to yourself, anyway. :lol:

I was also at that game, but what does the Griz getting challenged have to do with Growler? Basically everyone is saying Ferris State is going to be a really tough out. Am I missing something?

 

[Paytonlives]

I think we should win this game handily. There is a vast difference between the caliber of players in FCS versus Division II, especially in depth. One advantage Ferris has is that the game is their first of the season, meaning that they should not have injuries to key starters that will occur during the season, which will test their depth.

Griz by 20

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It was all about $$$$...

Why is it about money? I must be missing something. I assumed we paid them to come play us.

Home gate exceeds anything but a sizeable FBS money game. The athletic budget is built on 6 home games.

 

[mthoopsfan]

It helps in multiple ways. Fills the schedule with a game that will attract fans. Will be reasonable competition to prepare for conference play.

How do some of you find so many things to complain about? You must have miserable lives and be miserable to be around. I enjoy being happy every day.

Me too. But, you live in rainbows and unicorns with respect to the Griz.

There is no reason to schedule this game...none. The AD owns this one and it's not one to be proud of.

Could you explain why there is no reason to schedule this game? I like the game. Fairly high quality and some interest because of how they have done, and presumably a lower fee paid to them.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Why is it about money? I must be missing something. I assumed we paid them to come play us.

Home gate exceeds anything but a sizeable FBS money game. The athletic budget is built on 6 home games.

True, but Haslam was going to schedule a home game with someone, no matter what. Home games are money. A home game can be D-I or D-II. Quality D-II is better than bad D-II. Yes, I understand that D-II doesn't qualify as a D-I win for purposes of playoff qualification.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think we should win this game handily. There is a vast difference between the caliber of players in FCS versus Division II, especially in depth. One advantage Ferris has is that the game is their first of the season, meaning that they should not have injuries to key starters that will occur during the season, which will test their depth.

Griz by 20

If you’re giving 20 I’ll take that bet for any amount you’re willing to wager. Seriously

 

[SoldierGriz]

Me too. But, you live in rainbows and unicorns with respect to the Griz.

There is no reason to schedule this game...none. The AD owns this one and it's not one to be proud of.

Could you explain why there is no reason to schedule this game? I like the game. Fairly high quality and some interest because of how they have done, and presumably a lower fee paid to them.

Does zero to propel the Griz to a high seed to generate home playoff games which are key to getting to Frisco.

Home playoff games are worth much more than any "interest" in this game or low fees paid. Home playoff games are the secret sauce for the athletic department, Griz football, Missoula, and Montana.

Now, imagine they somehow beat the Griz...

That is why you don't schedule the game. Zero upside.

 

[bgbigdog]

Could you explain why there is no reason to schedule this game? I like the game. Fairly high quality and some interest because of how they have done, and presumably a lower fee paid to them.

Does zero to propel the Griz to a high seed to generate home playoff games which are key to getting to Frisco.

Home playoff games are worth much more than any "interest" in this game or low fees paid. Home playoff games are the secret sauce for the athletic department, Griz football, Missoula, and Montana.

Now, imagine they somehow beat the Griz...

That is why you don't schedule the game. Zero upside.

The answer to all your questions is money. No, it's not desirable or at all advantageous if you're viewing everything from the lens of the the selection process for the postseason. Being a member of the selection process for the last umpteen seasons, i would suggest Haslam knows this as well as anyone. The money comes from ticket sales for home games if they aren't going to find an FBS game or two regularly. These dance parties require willing participants and when FCS teams are playing two FBS games to help fund their programs, there are fewer regional programs who are willing or able to show up in Missoula for a non-con game. The BSC is one of the two premium conferences in the division. Take care of business when you're playing conference games and the playoffs will take care of themselves.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Could you explain why there is no reason to schedule this game? I like the game. Fairly high quality and some interest because of how they have done, and presumably a lower fee paid to them.

Does zero to propel the Griz to a high seed to generate home playoff games which are key to getting to Frisco.

Home playoff games are worth much more than any "interest" in this game or low fees paid. Home playoff games are the secret sauce for the athletic department, Griz football, Missoula, and Montana.

Now, imagine they somehow beat the Griz...

That is why you don't schedule the game. Zero upside.

A good win helps with getting a seed. D-II’s don’t count for the (sort of) minimum D-I wins to qualify for the playoffs

 

[thirdandlong]

History lesson: Central Washington at Montana, 2008. Read about it....
https://gogriz.com/news/2008/9/27/Grizzlies_outlast_Central_Washington_38_35
Mike Reilly, a Kalispell product, damn near slew the Griz in WGS. I was one of the 25,326 there. Reilly was amazing.
Anyone who thinks Ferris State couldn't come into WGS and knock off the Griz is a fool. Some of you would have to admit that Growler actually speaks wisdom, at least some of the time. Well, you'd admit it to yourself, anyway. :lol:

I was also at that game, but what does the Griz getting challenged have to do with Growler? Basically everyone is saying Ferris State is going to be a really tough out. Am I missing something?

I was at that game too, and Hauck was totally out-coached in the second half. He blew a big halftime lead by becoming really conservative and "trying not to lose" in the second half instead of putting the hammer down on the under-manned Bison. This tactic became the Hauck mantra for future games.
But the ultimate foible for Bobby in this game was his failure to recognize an almost-certain fake Bison FG try, which they ran for the winning TD. Everyone sitting with me in the stands knew they would fake the FG, because time was running-out on them, and they had nothing lose going for the win instead of incurring a close loss, but Bobby failed to defense that fake, and it caused the loss.

Still, even Bobby can not mess-up this Ferris game, and the Griz win by double-digits.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I was also at that game, but what does the Griz getting challenged have to do with Growler? Basically everyone is saying Ferris State is going to be a really tough out. Am I missing something?

I was at that game too, and Hauck was totally out-coached in the second half. He blew a big halftime lead by becoming really conservative and "trying not to lose" in the second half instead of putting the hammer down on the under-manned Bison. This tactic became the Hauck mantra for future games.
But the ultimate foible for Bobby in this game was his failure to recognize an almost-certain fake Bison FG try, which they ran for the winning TD. Everyone sitting with me in the stands knew they would fake the FG, because time was running-out on them, and they had nothing lose going for the win instead of incurring a close loss, but Bobby failed to defense that fake, and it caused the loss.

Still, even Bobby can not mess-up this Ferris game, and the Griz win by double-digits.

You also went ape-shit about how the Griz had no chance of beating the Bison in Stitt's first game, and launched insult after insult towards people who said we might win. Then you disappeared. Another game among many. Still don't get the point. Everyone is saying Ferris State will be a tough team. And?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Does zero to propel the Griz to a high seed to generate home playoff games which are key to getting to Frisco.

Home playoff games are worth much more than any "interest" in this game or low fees paid. Home playoff games are the secret sauce for the athletic department, Griz football, Missoula, and Montana.

Now, imagine they somehow beat the Griz...

That is why you don't schedule the game. Zero upside.

The answer to all your questions is money. No, it's not desirable or at all advantageous if you're viewing everything from the lens of the the selection process for the postseason. Being a member of the selection process for the last umpteen seasons, i would suggest Haslam knows this as well as anyone. The money comes from ticket sales for home games if they aren't going to find an FBS game or two regularly. These dance parties require willing participants and when FCS teams are playing two FBS games to help fund their programs, there are fewer regional programs who are willing or able to show up in Missoula for a non-con game. The BSC is one of the two premium conferences in the division. Take care of business when you're playing conference games and the playoffs will take care of themselves.

Money involving this game is insignificant relative to home playoff games- which this D2 matchup does nothing to enable. Zero...zip...nada.

Any and I mean any FCS team is a better option. Hell, the BSC could mandate league teams schedule other league teams in "non-conference" match-ups.

It's a scheduling error.

I get it - it happens sometimes. It's not the 1st D2 opponent the Griz have played...but, I really hope it is the last.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Money involving this game is insignificant relative to home playoff games- which this D2 matchup does nothing to enable. Zero...zip...nada.

Any and I mean any FCS team is a better option. Hell, the BSC could mandate league teams schedule other league teams in "non-conference" match-ups.

It's a scheduling error.

I get it - it happens sometimes. It's not the 1st D2 opponent the Griz have played...but, I really hope it is the last.

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Money involving this game is insignificant relative to home playoff games- which this D2 matchup does nothing to enable. Zero...zip...nada.

Any and I mean any FCS team is a better option. Hell, the BSC could mandate league teams schedule other league teams in "non-conference" match-ups.

It's a scheduling error.

I get it - it happens sometimes. It's not the 1st D2 opponent the Griz have played...but, I really hope it is the last.

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

Money to UM for home playoff games is tiny. The ncaa gets most of it. The Missoula businesses get another game weekend. The fans are happy.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Money involving this game is insignificant relative to home playoff games- which this D2 matchup does nothing to enable. Zero...zip...nada.

Any and I mean any FCS team is a better option. Hell, the BSC could mandate league teams schedule other league teams in "non-conference" match-ups.

It's a scheduling error.

I get it - it happens sometimes. It's not the 1st D2 opponent the Griz have played...but, I really hope it is the last.

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

And a win at home against Ferris won't shut down your narrative, plain or simple. So yeah, as to you on this Board, there is no upside in this game.

 

[Dillon]

Could you explain why there is no reason to schedule this game? I like the game. Fairly high quality and some interest because of how they have done, and presumably a lower fee paid to them.

Does zero to propel the Griz to a high seed to generate home playoff games which are key to getting to Frisco.

Home playoff games are worth much more than any "interest" in this game or low fees paid. Home playoff games are the secret sauce for the athletic department, Griz football, Missoula, and Montana.

Now, imagine they somehow beat the Griz...

That is why you don't schedule the game. Zero upside.

I would not say Zero upside - I will be glued to the game with excitement and hopefully positive excitement!

 

[Spanky2]

Well, at least Haslam made the decision to play a good Division2 school rather than the cupcake schedule of last year. This game will certainly help the team prepare for conference play. The Griz will win.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

And a win at home against Ferris won't shut down your narrative, plain or simple. So yeah, as to you on this Board, there is no upside in this game.

You sure have become a world-class whiner. You are free to walk by my posts. I don't care.

A win at home against Ferris would make me happy. It is meaningless in the big scheme of things...as it counts for nothing wrt to playoffs or seeds.

A loss however...is a kick in the balls to everyone - fans, players, coaches, the athletic department.

Now, what exactly are you whining about? Is whining your narrative?