Ferris State

[3-7-77]

I was also at that game, but what does the Griz getting challenged have to do with Growler? Basically everyone is saying Ferris State is going to be a really tough out. Am I missing something?

On the Growler angle, he has been the Whipping Boy on eGriz long before I ever posted, for a variety of reasons. To me, he is entertaining. I see you started in 2007, long before I even heard of eGriz. You'd be as familiar with his reputation and style as much as most on this board. He doesn't care what anyone thinks, and will post his opinions on whatever topic and not back down. Someone could post, "The sky is blue," and he might argue the point. 'Growler' is a trigger word for many on this board. Like the Military Dog Training Command "Attack." I figured it would evoke a like response from some. It did.
As for Ferris State, being pre-season #1 is a warning. I assume the game was booked well in advance, so you get what you get. Washington did, and you didn't get your post-game Husky tailgate party. I used the CWU game as an example of what COULD happen. The Griz could have gone the ISU route and booked a Frontier Conference game or two, thinking the Montana fans angle. Downsides all around, including the biggie, an upset loss. The scent of the Rose would turn into the smell of the Daisy.
EGriz should be informative and ENTERTAINING, in my view. There is very little information, just opinions. That leaves the ENTERTAINMENT value. I'm not about to get a Peptic Ulcer over the events on this board, and will probably not get one from watching the Griz games. Probably. :thumb:

 

[mthoopsfan]

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

Playoff revenue to the home-hosting team is very small. The home school bid is generally based on their estimate of attendance, times the ticket price selected. The bidding goal is to have highest bid to make sure it's elected by the committee. The NCAA gets the bid amount, and then splits (80-20?) with the host school, The NCAA pays for all travel, lodging and game days expenses of the host. I can't recall if those expenses are taken out of revenue before or after the 80-20 split.

Montana bid $126,281 to host a first-round playoff game last fall. Tickets were generally $35. I think students might have had to pay $5. Prices for the Canyon Club might have been slightly higher. Attendance was 13,390, a very low attendance even for a first round game. So, about $475,00. If the NCAA takes care of expenses via the bid and its split, which would be favorable to UM, and the split is 80-20, then UM would get about $70,000 (20% of $350,00). I had always heard that UM made only about $100,000 or so on most home playoff games.

Some playoff schools don't even make a bid to host, because they know they will lose money with having to pay the minimum big was very low attendance. At least, that is my recollection.

I see that tickets for the NSDU game were $50. The year D-II NDSU beat UM (by 1 point), UM was 9-2 going into its playoff game, which it hosted. Lost the game.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

There is so much wrong info here. First, since the annual budget is based on the gate from a sixth home game and not the gate from an additional home playoff game, the money does matter. Second, Haslem exhausted all avenues to find a FCS team, and nothing materialized. I get it that playing a D2 is not great, but it is what it is, and most likely won't be the last.

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

Such an uninformed post.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

Such an uninformed post.

That's funny...considering your post says absolutely nothing. :roll:

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yes - 6 home games is budgeted. Thanks for the statement of the obvious. No one ever said there should be fewer.

The NCAA does take 80 percent or so of ticket revenue during the playoffs...but, that is still a good chunk back to the hosting schools.

I guarantee multiple home playoff game revenue is coveted by FCS programs...not mention hosting cities and fans. It is the surest way to Frisco - that is a fact.

The idea Haslam exhausted all avenues to schedule a FCS team is unknowable. It cannot be known. You might believe his excuses. I don't.

There are plenty of FCS teams not playing D2 schools...and certainly none playing the consensus D2 #1.

It is a scheduling error...a loss at home to Ferris will crush his nuts, plain and simple.

Playoff revenue to the home-hosting team is very small. The home school bid is generally based on their estimate of attendance, times the ticket price selected. The bidding goal is to have highest bid to make sure it's elected by the committee. The NCAA gets the bid amount, and then splits (80-20?) with the host school, The NCAA pays for all travel, lodging and game days expenses of the host. I can't recall if those expenses are taken out of revenue before or after the 80-20 split.

Montana bid $126,281 to host a first-round playoff game last fall. Tickets were generally $35. I think students might have had to pay $5. Prices for the Canyon Club might have been slightly higher. Attendance was 13,390, a very low attendance even for a first round game. So, about $475,00. If the NCAA takes care of expenses via the bid and its split, which would be favorable to UM, and the split is 80-20, then UM would get about $70,000 (20% of $350,00). I had always heard that UM made only about $100,000 or so on most home playoff games.

Some playoff schools don't even make a bid to host, because they know they will lose money with having to pay the minimum big was very low attendance. At least, that is my recollection.

I see that tickets for the NSDU game were $50. The year D-II NDSU beat UM (by 1 point), UM was 9-2 going into its playoff game, which it hosted. Lost the game.

PR - serious question. You mentioned travel expenses above...does the NCAA pay those expenses for teams going on the road or just for the host? What would they pay for the host?

$100,000 per home playoff game...maybe a bit more depending on ticket prices and sales. Coupled with home field advantage - Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Anyone know what the payout to teams is for the Championship game?

But, I can honestly say I am actually excited to Ferris come to WA Griz...might be an interesting game to see.

My whole point in starting this thread was to generate some interest in that particular game...and suggest the Griz better bring their A-Game. Ferris will do so, because a win for them WILL positively impact their D2 seed.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Such an uninformed post.

That's funny...considering your post says absolutely nothing. :roll:

Just keeping it simple since some things seem to difficult to grasp for you.

 

[SoldierGriz]

That's funny...considering your post says absolutely nothing. :roll:

Just keeping it simple since some things seem to difficult to grasp for you.

Thoughtful. Thanks!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Playoff revenue to the home-hosting team is very small. The home school bid is generally based on their estimate of attendance, times the ticket price selected. The bidding goal is to have highest bid to make sure it's elected by the committee. The NCAA gets the bid amount, and then splits (80-20?) with the host school, The NCAA pays for all travel, lodging and game days expenses of the host. I can't recall if those expenses are taken out of revenue before or after the 80-20 split.

Montana bid $126,281 to host a first-round playoff game last fall. Tickets were generally $35. I think students might have had to pay $5. Prices for the Canyon Club might have been slightly higher. Attendance was 13,390, a very low attendance even for a first round game. So, about $475,00. If the NCAA takes care of expenses via the bid and its split, which would be favorable to UM, and the split is 80-20, then UM would get about $70,000 (20% of $350,00). I had always heard that UM made only about $100,000 or so on most home playoff games.

Some playoff schools don't even make a bid to host, because they know they will lose money with having to pay the minimum big was very low attendance. At least, that is my recollection.

I see that tickets for the NSDU game were $50. The year D-II NDSU beat UM (by 1 point), UM was 9-2 going into its playoff game, which it hosted. Lost the game.

PR - serious question. You mentioned travel expenses above...does the NCAA pay those expenses for teams going on the road or just for the host? What would they pay for the host?

$100,000 per home playoff game...maybe a bit more depending on ticket prices and sales. Coupled with home field advantage - Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Anyone know what the payout to teams is for the Championship game?

But, I can honestly say I am actually excited to Ferris come to WA Griz...might be an interesting game to see.

My whole point in starting this thread was to generate some interest in that particular game...and suggest the Griz better bring their A-Game. Ferris will do so, because a win for them WILL positively impact their D2 seed.

Travel expenses for traveling team. Don’t think home would have any. Agree that home field advantage is big. Don’t think there is any payout for teams in championship game. Just expenses for the 120 person travel groups, assuming it’s still 120.

 

[SoldierGriz]

PR - serious question. You mentioned travel expenses above...does the NCAA pay those expenses for teams going on the road or just for the host? What would they pay for the host?

$100,000 per home playoff game...maybe a bit more depending on ticket prices and sales. Coupled with home field advantage - Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Anyone know what the payout to teams is for the Championship game?

But, I can honestly say I am actually excited to Ferris come to WA Griz...might be an interesting game to see.

My whole point in starting this thread was to generate some interest in that particular game...and suggest the Griz better bring their A-Game. Ferris will do so, because a win for them WILL positively impact their D2 seed.

Travel expenses for traveling team. Don’t think home would have any. Agree that home field advantage is big. Don’t think there is any payout for teams in championship game. Just expenses for the 120 person travel groups, assuming it’s still 120.

Thanks. Seems crazy teams get zip for playing in chipper.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Travel expenses for traveling team. Don’t think home would have any. Agree that home field advantage is big. Don’t think there is any payout for teams in championship game. Just expenses for the 120 person travel groups, assuming it’s still 120.

Thanks. Seems crazy teams get zip for playing in chipper.

It costs the Griz extra, because they take the redshirts, cheerleaders, band (?), a number of people in the department, and I think some spouses. They go over the 120 (or whatever it is) limit.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Thanks. Seems crazy teams get zip for playing in chipper.

It costs the Griz extra, because they take the redshirts, cheerleaders, band (?), a number of people in the department, and I think some spouses. They go over the 120 (or whatever it is) limit.

They could make some of that money back if they sell pieces of the goal posts after winning.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Just keeping it simple since some things seem to difficult to grasp for you.

Thoughtful. Thanks!

Living rent free in Playa Rep aka mthoops' head - every day. Proud Private (poof) and military desk clerk of Egriz with a "horribilis" narrative. O-line, QB, and cornerback expert. Mentor to Playa Rep aka mthoops - spoon-feeding him relevant football knowledge; I am his daddy.

Free press with every inane post! :thumb: :thumb: Keep it coming! Every time I see this I can see you at the keyboard, posting and humming "You were Always on my Mind". Kinda jealous that "Hoops" get twice the press....

 

[SoldierGriz]

Thoughtful. Thanks!

Living rent free in Playa Rep aka mthoops' head - every day. Proud Private (poof) and military desk clerk of Egriz with a "horribilis" narrative. O-line, QB, and cornerback expert. Mentor to Playa Rep aka mthoops - spoon-feeding him relevant football knowledge; I am his daddy.

Free press with every inane post! :thumb: :thumb: Keep it coming! Every time I see this I can see you at the keyboard, posting and humming "You were Always on my Mind". Kinda jealous that "Hoops" get twice the press....

You're welcome! Few make the signature block. Be proud.

 

[Montanabob]

Maybe next year Ferris will play UNCO and after the beat down, they will decide to drop down to D2.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Maybe next year Ferris will play UNCO and after the beat down, they will decide to drop down to D2.

If they were playing this year in Greely...Ferris wins by 2 touchdowns minimum.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Why is it about money? I must be missing something. I assumed we paid them to come play us.

Home gate exceeds anything but a sizeable FBS money game. The athletic budget is built on 6 home games.

Home gate often exceeds big fbs games. Plus we don’t have to pay our travel expenses.

 

[thirdandlong]

And a win at home against Ferris won't shut down your narrative, plain or simple. So yeah, as to you on this Board, there is no upside in this game.

You sure have become a world-class whiner. You are free to walk by my posts. I don't care.

A win at home against Ferris would make me happy. It is meaningless in the big scheme of things...as it counts for nothing wrt to playoffs or seeds.

A loss however...is a kick in the balls to everyone - fans, players, coaches, the athletic department.

Now, what exactly are you whining about? Is whining your narrative?

While I don't think it will happen, as I predict a 10-14 point victory for the Griz, but if we lose to Ferris, it should be the final nail in Hauck's coffin, and he should be replaced next season. No amount of Hoops and Kem's spin jobs can justify our once dominant FCS program losing to a Div. II team AT HOME, no matter how highly they are ranked pre-season.

Because of that fact, I think this is a MUST WIN game for Bobby to keep his job, just like the Cat game should be a MUST WIN game for him to keep his job. Even most of you apologists will jump on the bandwagon if either of these happen.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

You sure have become a world-class whiner. You are free to walk by my posts. I don't care.

A win at home against Ferris would make me happy. It is meaningless in the big scheme of things...as it counts for nothing wrt to playoffs or seeds.

A loss however...is a kick in the balls to everyone - fans, players, coaches, the athletic department.

Now, what exactly are you whining about? Is whining your narrative?

While I don't think it will happen, as I predict a 10-14 point victory for the Griz, but if we lose to Ferris, it should be the final nail in Hauck's coffin, and he should be replaced next season. No amount of Hoops and Kem's spin jobs can justify our once dominant FCS program losing to a Div. II team AT HOME, no matter how highly they are ranked pre-season.

Because of that fact, I think this is a MUST WIN game for Bobby to keep his job, just like the Cat game should be a MUST WIN game for him to keep his job. Even most of you apologists will jump on the bandwagon if either of these happen.

It would be completely impossible for a coach to lose to a Division II team and be a good coach. There is absolutely no chance that a coach could lost to a Division II national championship team, and then get their own team to the FCS national championship the next year or go on to be the winningest coach in Big Sky Conference history. Absolutely no way that coach could get out to a current record of 116-34. Oh. Wait.

You can't simplify this down to one game. If we lose both of those games, then yea, it is going to be a very hot seat for him. But to say that either is a must win? That's just not true. If we lost either of those games, but won every other game and a national championship, he would be treated as a hero.

You really need to stop spending every day stewing about Bobby Hauck. Its not good for your health, and it is kind of creepy. He's just a football coach, and the game against Ferris St. is just one game.

 

[thirdandlong]

I was at that game too, and Hauck was totally out-coached in the second half. He blew a big halftime lead by becoming really conservative and "trying not to lose" in the second half instead of putting the hammer down on the under-manned Bison. This tactic became the Hauck mantra for future games.
But the ultimate foible for Bobby in this game was his failure to recognize an almost-certain fake Bison FG try, which they ran for the winning TD. Everyone sitting with me in the stands knew they would fake the FG, because time was running-out on them, and they had nothing lose going for the win instead of incurring a close loss, but Bobby failed to defense that fake, and it caused the loss.

Still, even Bobby can not mess-up this Ferris game, and the Griz win by double-digits.

You also went poop about how the Griz had no chance of beating the Bison in Stitt's first game, and launched insult after insult towards people who said we might win. Then you disappeared. Another game among many. Still don't get the point. Everyone is saying Ferris State will be a tough team. And?

Do you have to lie to gain the credibility that you desperately seek? I'm calling your scat on this allegation. I never once posted that about the NSDU game. Show us the posts I supposedly made, or STFU! Desperate for attention much, out-back boy?

 

[horribilisfan8184]

And a win at home against Ferris won't shut down your narrative, plain or simple. So yeah, as to you on this Board, there is no upside in this game.

You sure have become a world-class whiner. You are free to walk by my posts. I don't care.

A win at home against Ferris would make me happy. It is meaningless in the big scheme of things...as it counts for nothing wrt to playoffs or seeds.

A loss however...is a kick in the balls to everyone - fans, players, coaches, the athletic department.

Now, what exactly are you whining about? Is whining your narrative?

Listen, Eyeore, if you don't know the meaning of words like "whining" you shouldn't use them. Nobody whines more about any subject than you do about Bobby Hauck. Pointing out how boring your 1 trick pony has become is not whining. But I get it, you're an AG1 wannabe, and like Dan Quayle, you are no AG1.

And ditto on just walking on by.