Expectations for this season

[UMGriz75]

It really isn't a tall order. This is a fan message board where people provide varying opinions.

I've done it professionally all my adult life, among other things covering more than 50 years continuous paid professional sport science experience for the University of Montana and various related National and International Olympic Sport entities. I have a different perspective than you do.

I take the efforts of these young people and volunteer people as players, officials and coaches seriously. I'm not mocking your student athlete or "fan" perspective; I would however appreciate the courtesy from you not to demean mine just because you aren't part of it and have never done anything like that.

Fair enough?

After all, if it wasn't a "tall order," everybody would have figured out how to be National Champions.

Right?

It is a "tall order." That you so easily demean and disparage the actual record precisely on that point doesn't tell me anything I actually need to know. It only tells me that, for some reason, you don't know it.

Indeed, that you have it backwards.

The upcoming year is going to be a key test. For some reason, Coach Stitt has found it a much "taller order" than you claim it is. Are you writing a letter explaining to Coach Stitt that it's just not that much of a "tall order?" According to you, you've got it figured out. Good luck on that one.

Are you claiming he is wrong? Should Coach Stitt give you a call?

Really?

Imagine that conversation.

 

[uofmman1122]

Somehow "Giving a prediction isn't a tall order" has become "winning at football isn't a tall order".

How ever did we get here?

 

[UMGriz75]

Somehow "Giving a prediction isn't a tall order" has become "winning at football isn't a tall order".

How ever did we get here?

Ah, the difference between a "meaningful prediction" and a "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction."

It's true. Any moron can make a prediction. Is that what you are looking for?

Last year was an object lesson regarding how much the self-appointed geniuses here actually know. Not much. Honestly, initially, I didn't think it would make THAT much difference moving from D2 to D1. The experience proved educational. I would be reluctant to now say that its just a small detail.

This Fall will be a great test. I will be happier than hell if Coach Stitt can pull it off.

 

[uofmman1122]

Somehow "Giving a prediction isn't a tall order" has become "winning at football isn't a tall order".

How ever did we get here?

Ah, the difference between a "meaningful prediction" and a "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction."

It's true. Any moron can make a prediction. Is that what you are looking for?

Last year was an object lesson regarding how much the self-appointed geniuses here actually know. Not much. Honestly, initially, I didn't think it would make THAT much difference moving from D2 to D1. The experience proved educational. I would be reluctant to now say that its just a small detail.

This Fall will be a great test. I will be happier than hell if Coach Stitt can pull it off.

Then just say "I don't have enough insights to give a prediction I feel comfortable with", instead of offering nothing and criticizing everything people have said in the past through the lens of hindsight.

We all have our priors that we adjust as new info comes in, and up until the loss to NAU (and even afterwards), it wasn't crazy to expect we'd go at least 8-3. Obviously, that didn't happen, but at 5-1, nobody was predicting anything close to 6-5, including you.

Conveniently, you didn't seem to open your mouth much on here until shit started going south, and then it was a torrent of "I told you so"s. If you were so convinced in your beliefs, why the hell did you wait until things started going bad before telling us we should have expected it?

Saying "You know, based on the schedule, the way the team looked this spring, and the players we have coming up, I don't think 8-3 is impossible" isn't "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction". It's offseason banter that should be taken as such, and a lot less seriously by you.

TL;DR: There's being wrong, and then there's being a dick.

I'm glad you hope the Griz do well, but if they don't, I'm sure we'll fucking hear all about it.

 

[UMGriz75]

Saying "You know, based on the schedule, the way the team looked this spring, and the players we have coming up, I don't think 8-3 is impossible" isn't "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction". It's offseason banter that should be taken as such, and a lot less seriously by you.

Is there a special gratification you get out of manufacturing conversations to yourself?

I'm glad you hope the Griz do well, but if they don't, I'm sure we'll f***[*] hear all about it.

Is there a special bond that you feel with others when you use the word "we" as though you won a mayor's local election?

It is interesting to see that you have "rules" of conduct for how "off-season banter should be taken." As I noted, people have different levels of experiences in sports. You don't HAVE to act stupid, even if you are. Who cares? But why go out of your way to prove it?

My point was to suggest that different opinions have different qualities. Griz have many great, knowledgeable fans. You could learn from them instead of constantly yapping about your meaningless personal obsessions.

Egriz has about 15,000 signups, but only about six or seven try and dominate every conversation with 1) how much they think they know and 2) how wrong they are time after time.

Does failure every teach guys like you anything? Judging from the habit of doubling-down on your failures, in ever louder voices, I'd say not. If that's how you respond to life, good for you. But, the dogs bark and the crowd moves on, while you are left standing in the dark ranting and raving, demanding that the disappearing crowd listen to you because, after all, you were so wrong, now you must surely be right.

Next year will be somewhat of a "fresh" start, although heavily burdened by the most schizophrenic head coaching assessment I have ever seen and heard. In the last six weeks and into post-season, Bob Stitt blamed and then absolved nearly every possible combination of error he could muster. I've never seen a team coach so yakky about the problems with "the team."

Some of you think that's a good thing. One regular poster who claims experience claimed that he has never seen such a united team, as enthusiastic about moving forward, together, as ONE!! Every single one! There was nothing like it. It was both magical and unprecedented.

A week later, Nolan Swett was fired.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Somehow "Giving a prediction isn't a tall order" has become "winning at football isn't a tall order".

How ever did we get here?

Ah, the difference between a "meaningful prediction" and a "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction."

It's true. Any moron can make a prediction. Is that what you are looking for?

Last year was an object lesson regarding how much the self-appointed geniuses here actually know. Not much. Honestly, initially, I didn't think it would make THAT much difference moving from D2 to D1. The experience proved educational. I would be reluctant to now say that its just a small detail.

This Fall will be a great test. I will be happier than hell if Coach Stitt can pull it off.

Then just say "I don't have enough insights to give a prediction I feel comfortable with", instead of offering nothing and criticizing everything people have said in the past through the lens of hindsight.

We all have our priors that we adjust as new info comes in, and up until the loss to NAU (and even afterwards), it wasn't crazy to expect we'd go at least 8-3. Obviously, that didn't happen, but at 5-1, nobody was predicting anything close to 6-5, including you.

Conveniently, you didn't seem to open your mouth much on here until shit started going south, and then it was a torrent of "I told you so"s. If you were so convinced in your beliefs, why the hell did you wait until things started going bad before telling us we should have expected it?

Saying "You know, based on the schedule, the way the team looked this spring, and the players we have coming up, I don't think 8-3 is impossible" isn't "I'm an idiot, here's my prediction". It's offseason banter that should be taken as such, and a lot less seriously by you.

TL;DR: There's being wrong, and then there's being a dick.

I'm glad you hope the Griz do well, but if they don't, I'm sure we'll f***[*] hear all about it.

He doesn't. All the heartfelt prose about the team is BS. He wants Stitt gone and the team flopping is the only way that will happen. When it regularly takes 20 paragraphs to try to convince people you aren't lying, you accomplish just the opposite. And the guy who has an opinion (nay, the only valid opinion) on everything says he has no opinion on this Griz team's prospects of success this season? I suggest you put this guy on ignore because all this shows is even he has no faith in his own opinion on how the Griz might fare this season.

 

[garizzalies]

What's your prediction for next season 75?

That's a tall order, requires a lot of work, a great deal of specific knowledge about a variety of teams and coaches, and I don't have that at the moment. Some may think that they do, and it may be true. For my part, I won't presume. Refer to the list of presumptions for last year, and who made them.

There is a moral to that story.

It really isn't a tall order. This is a fan message board where people provide varying opinions. If someone is wrong on their opinion, it shouldn't matter to anyone who has a life. The only reason I asked for your opinion specifically is because you have been strongly critical of people's predictions last year, while not offering any concrete prediction of your own. In my opinion, that is chickenshit, and really very strange and odd behavior...

If you are not going to offer your opinion, you really shouldn't have the right to mock people who did. Hindsight is 20/20. You annoyingly write paragraphs worth of drivel to put down people by making arguments based on hindsight against people who who made casual estimates prior to the season. That does not make you smarter than them.

Anyways, glad you had fun spending all day posting on this board. I'm sure it'll be more of the same tomorrow...I recommend finding yourself a hobby though.

POTY!! Exactly correct, SAB. Nice work. Gary is a chickenshit pussy of epic proportions. I would actually prefer 10 growlers to one Gary. At least Growler attempts to talk football

 

[Mavman]

Ok I'll give the whole prediction thing a try.
Valpo win : closer then people on egriz will like.
UW big loss: not close at all.
Sav ST win: by pretty big margin. Huge drop in talent from previous week.
Ewu loss: Ewu qb too much for D to handle. They seem to have very good o-line and new receivers that will be very good.
@PSU win: very close ugly game. Road issues not ironed out yet.
@Isu Win: close win causing egriz posters to gnash their teeth.
Und Win: Griz will shut down und running game and win a hard fought game.
@weber loss: Good team and Griz come up short. ( egriz will go fully bonkers predicting another late season collapse)
Nau win : Team plays a complete game gets big w that sets them up for big finish.
Unc Win: The Griz get a big win after last years disappointment.
Msu 50/50: I would like to predict a blowout , however no matter the Cats record at the time they will have confidence after last years game and well it is the Brawl after all. Griz pull one out late!

8-3 is what I will predict
schedule sets up for 9-2 however 7-4 is possible.
WARNING:
I have no clue what in the hell will happen! The above predictions are just for fun!

 

[UMGriz75]

Armchair psychologists out in force!

It's amazing how much they think they know. Gives 'em something to do.

Where were they last year?

When the people that were so wrong last year can explain why, we'll listen.

Until then, no credibility.

 

[Mavman]

Armchair psychologists out in force!

It's amazing how much they think they know. Gives 'em something to do.

Where were they last year?

Well last year I was on this website trying to convince folks that Stitt was a great coach and that the removal of Gregorak was a good thing. I was also trying to tell posters that now that Stitt had his own recruits that the team would go 8-3. I WAS WRONG.
I will tell you this year with more of his own recruits and another year under his guidance and in his system that the Griz will go 8-3!!!!

 

[Copper Griz]

In celebration of the Fourth of July, some of you know it all experts, prognosticators, told you so's and fortune tellers should stick a bottle rocket up your arse and light it. The Griz will be better than last year, not good enough for many, an overachievement for few and just right for some. Take it to the bank douche nozzles.

 

[UMGriz75]

Well last year I was on this website trying to convince folks that Stitt was a great coach and that the removal of Gregorak was a good thing.

That was when I realized "we see things differently."

The question now is, will he change?

 

[Mavman]

Well last year I was on this website trying to convince folks that Stitt was a great coach and that the removal of Gregorak was a good thing.

That was when I realized "we see things differently."

The question now is, will he change?

I do not know 75.
I have a "feeling" that this team will win more games. Will they win the games they should? Will fans be happy with how they won? Will they win enough? How much will the players improve? How much will the younger members of the coaching staff improve? If they hit a rough patch will the team fall apart or band together?
I realize there are always a ton of questions before and during a season that I do not have the answers to
nor do I have the expertise to answer. Hell I have no clue what is going on in the meeting rooms, locker room or practice field for that matter. I see what is unfolding on saturday afternoon and cheer the good and bemoan the bad enjoy the experience and wait for the next game.
These are the reasons that all I can do is make an uneducated guess on how the season will play out and enjoy reading what other posters think will happen.
As long as I continue to enjoy following Griz athletics like I have for many years I could care less if my "predictions" are correct or if I look stupid on a website. Grizzly athletics have been a great distraction to everyday issues and brought me entertainment that is all I can ask for!

 

[signedbewildered]

yawn

 

[blazerbird]

Wait. Are you guys "moving up" or not?

 

[EverettGriz]

Wait. Are you guys "moving up" or not?

Yes.


Are you guys ever going to build a junior-high level facility or not?

 

[blazerbird]

No idea. I was just confused. Would it be possible to bring back the BSC sucks/Move Up threads? Made things much more predictable. I'd even welcome back the EWU Sucks/Meth/Low GPA/Unruly Fans threads. You know. The good old days.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Hey 75 I wanted to hear your opinion on a few things?
1. Overall record?
2. starting QB who should it be?
3. Will the o-line be improved?
4.How do you think the defense will perform this year?
Thanks in advance :thumb:

 

[Ursa Major]

No idea. I was just confused. Would it be possible to bring back the BSC sucks/Move Up threads? Made things much more predictable. I'd even welcome back the EWU Sucks/Meth/Low GPA/Unruly Fans threads. You know. The good old days.

Let me guess, a little slow on the dead zone?? Why don't you go bother the cats??

I hear they have some gently used east side bleachers they'd get rid of for a song.

You guys should talk! :thumb:

P.S. when was your last tetanus shot?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Awesome.....doesn't have a.....clue....what my expectations....were....so makes.....shit up.....to feel better....about himself......kudos.....75.......give yourself......a big pat.....on the back......for being.....the biggest douche......on eGriz.......

Are you actually an adult?

News Flash: few people are as interested in what you think as your are.

Your personal obsession with yourself really doesn't do much for me, and I am sure it doesn't for other readers as well. It's unhealthy, but you keep proving it.

The fact is, the small platoon of self-appointed public relations officers that try to ride herd on opinions here initially denied that Dalton Daum had quite.

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:

NikeGrizz wrote:

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:

What was posted yesterday?

Daum and Mertes no longer with the program

So that dbag RobGriz starts a rumor about a kid leaving who isnt leaving and than we start another post about the kid thats not leaving leaving????? Ok make sense.

Then, when it was confirmed that he had indeed quit the team, the same small group rushed into panic mode, claiming that it had "nothing" to do with football or Coach Stitt.

havgrizfan [George Ferguson] wrote:
Saccat, Not everybody here is calling out Daum. But I will say it's just as lame to call out Stitt for this as it is to call out Daum. Neither are required to tell us anything if they don't want to about this situation. The fact is, Egrizzers are reporting Daum has quit the team. That's about it. He is still enrolled at UM, he was photographed in the team weight room very recently, he is still listed on the roster at gogriz.com, and his twitter, on which he posted less than an hour ago, still says he plays for the Griz football team and his # is 16.

Then, Daum himself issued a short press release published in the Missoulian: it was all about the team.

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message.

Dalton Daum, Missoulian, March 12, 2014.

It was the epic fail built around the same small group that continually tries to mislead genuine fans.

So, as usual, the tangled end to the saga was that the self-appointed praetorian guard was, once again, wholly wrong on their facts, and had been spinning them wildly, not even bothering to apologize when caught in the outright fabrication as demonstrated by ... the direct, published quote from Dalton Daum himself.

http://egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73448&hilit=grizindabox+Stitt&start=80

I've never seen elements of a "fan base" so dedicated to lying about their team and the sport. That was simply one good example.

As to next year's team, well, new QB, many changes. Much to be seen. But the same very small group is already actively trying to spin it.

Look at their record from last year. That's all you need.

If anyone can find something more ironic than this quote on all of the interwebz it would be a travesty not to share it.

On a second note....UM75, I'm going to request that you actually bold my user name as well in your signature. If you're going to use my quote so frequently I want the street cred for it. Any publicity is good publicity.