E-MAIL I SENT TO COACH DELANEY

[kurtismichael]

:lol: I might have. I thought gas bag kinda meant that everyone is full of sh!t.

If a fella isn't sure of what a gas bag is vs being full of shit I'm led to believe you've probably had quite a calamity in your britches more than you'd like to admit.

LMAO! :clap: :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

:lol: I might have. I thought gas bag kinda meant that everyone is full of sh!t.

If a fella isn't sure of what a gas bag is vs being full of shit I'm led to believe you've probably had quite a calamity in your britches more than you'd like to admit.

"Solid" work.

 

[timjayko]

for all the constructive feedback left I thank you, for the negative trolling posts with no constructive feedback, just plain out insults.., all I can say is oh well, 'tis the consequence of Internet forums =p. I figured we ought to have played at least a few nickel and dime packages throughout the game, so good to know we apparently did. I was watching it at a bar and talking with a patron there so I missed some of the defensive plays. I still think we play 4-3 too often on passing downs. Thanks for suggesting I contact Ty Gregorak instead, might email him and just see if I get a response. Cheers to you all, and GO GRIZ!

I get the frustration, but why would you make blanket statements like "no nickel package" when you weren't really paying that close of attention? I at LEAST would have gone back and watched the replay before sending an email like that.

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

 

[Thurman Murman]

for all the constructive feedback left I thank you, for the negative trolling posts with no constructive feedback, just plain out insults.., all I can say is oh well, 'tis the consequence of Internet forums =p. I figured we ought to have played at least a few nickel and dime packages throughout the game, so good to know we apparently did. I was watching it at a bar and talking with a patron there so I missed some of the defensive plays. I still think we play 4-3 too often on passing downs. Thanks for suggesting I contact Ty Gregorak instead, might email him and just see if I get a response. Cheers to you all, and GO GRIZ!

I get the frustration, but why would you make blanket statements like "no nickel package" when you weren't really paying that close of attention? I at LEAST would have gone back and watched the replay before sending an email like that.

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

 

[GrizPony]

Bingo. :clap:

If we are a bunch of gas bags, then why the hell are you on here, are you a gas bag?
So Brint you agree with this too? Then that means you view yourself as a gas bag too. Most people think you post intelligent stuff, and some think that you just have too much time on your hands.

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...

Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Stub:

I agree with you 100%. I would hope that E-Grizzer's opinions would mean nothing to a Griz coach. Can you imagin if they did?

I can tell you that some of what is posted definitely affects how the players play. Usually by pissing them off so badly they are gunning to prove the poster wrong.

 

[BWahlberg]

Don't care what other people do, but as for me, here are my thoughts....egrizzers are a bunch of gas bags. We get on here and talk and throw out opinions like they mean something. They do not. Sugar coaters and growler1's have no bearing on the performance or ability of the team. I would hope that Delaney would not give two rats asses about what any of us think.

Bingo. :clap:

If we are a bunch of gas bags, then why the hell are you on here, are you a gas bag?
So Brint you agree with this too? Then that means you view yourself as a gas bag too. Most people think you post intelligent stuff, and some think that you just have too much time on your hands.

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...

Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Spot on stubby.

 

[BWahlberg]

Don't care what other people do, but as for me, here are my thoughts....egrizzers are a bunch of gas bags. We get on here and talk and throw out opinions like they mean something. They do not. Sugar coaters and growler1's have no bearing on the performance or ability of the team. I would hope that Delaney would not give two rats asses about what any of us think.

Bingo. :clap:

If we are a bunch of gas bags, then why the hell are you on here, are you a gas bag?
So Brint you agree with this too? Then that means you view yourself as a gas bag too. Most people think you post intelligent stuff, and some think that you just have too much time on your hands.

Jay - I think Stubbins had a pretty good reply, but I did want to put this into my own thoughts too. I didn't mean to offend anyone with agreement of Stubbins's original post.

I think in the eyes of the players, administrators, and coaching staff all posters on this message board are gas bags in the sense that our comments, opinions, and ideas shared on here have little to no bearing on their decisions and planning. So in that sense, yes, we all are gas bags - the conversations in here have just as much influence on the team as fan comments shouted out at the games, comments passed along in passing, or made via email/facebook among each other.

I like to think my stuff has relevance for the fan base, but I have zero expectation that it goes any further than that. I post on here because I enjoy the discussion among the fans and talking about the team, the conference, FCS, football, the ups and the downs, etc. Egriz gives me a great outlet to get all of my thoughts out on this. And that's all I expect, interaction with fans.

As for those that think I have too much time on my hands, that might be a possibility. I usually work on my scouting posts for days when I find time (or on other larger posts). Aside from egriz I do work in a sales team full time, up until last year I was also a 3/4 student at the UM, I'm heavily involved in the local and state Realtor Association volunteer leadership (will be board president in 2014, was also in 2010), I've got 3 kids, one of which has autism and requires extra attention and has a very busy schedule. I'm a multi-tasker by nature and I don't sleep that much. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

:lol: I might have. I thought gas bag kinda meant that everyone is full of sh!t.

No, you're correct on THAT point.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...
Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Don't underestimate yourself...you're a tremendous slouch. :thumb:

 

[kurtismichael]

Don't care what other people do, but as for me, here are my thoughts....egrizzers are a bunch of gas bags. We get on here and talk and throw out opinions like they mean something. They do not. Sugar coaters and growler1's have no bearing on the performance or ability of the team. I would hope that Delaney would not give two rats asses about what any of us think.

Bingo. :clap:

If we are a bunch of gas bags, then why the hell are you on here, are you a gas bag?
So Brint you agree with this too? Then that means you view yourself as a gas bag too. Most people think you post intelligent stuff, and some think that you just have too much time on your hands.

Jay - I think Stubbins had a pretty good reply, but I did want to put this into my own thoughts too. I didn't mean to offend anyone with agreement of Stubbins's original post.

I think in the eyes of the players, administrators, and coaching staff all posters on this message board are gas bags in the sense that our comments, opinions, and ideas shared on here have little to no bearing on their decisions and planning. So in that sense, yes, we all are gas bags - the conversations in here have just as much influence on the team as fan comments shouted out at the games, comments passed along in passing, or made via email/facebook among each other.

I like to think my stuff has relevance for the fan base, but I have zero expectation that it goes any further than that. I post on here because I enjoy the discussion among the fans and talking about the team, the conference, FCS, football, the ups and the downs, etc. Egriz gives me a great outlet to get all of my thoughts out on this. And that's all I expect, interaction with fans.

As for those that think I have too much time on my hands, that might be a possibility. I usually work on my scouting posts for days when I find time (or on other larger posts). Aside from egriz I do work in a sales team full time, up until last year I was also a 3/4 student at the UM, I'm heavily involved in the local and state Realtor Association volunteer leadership (will be board president in 2014, was also in 2010), I've got 3 kids, one of which has autism and requires extra attention and has a very busy schedule. I'm a multi-tasker by nature and I don't sleep that much. :thumb:

I got worn out just reading all the stuff you do. I appreciate all your work on eGriz Brint. Always enjoy the scouting reports and recaps. Thanks!

 

[timjayko]

for all the constructive feedback left I thank you, for the negative trolling posts with no constructive feedback, just plain out insults.., all I can say is oh well, 'tis the consequence of Internet forums =p. I figured we ought to have played at least a few nickel and dime packages throughout the game, so good to know we apparently did. I was watching it at a bar and talking with a patron there so I missed some of the defensive plays. I still think we play 4-3 too often on passing downs. Thanks for suggesting I contact Ty Gregorak instead, might email him and just see if I get a response. Cheers to you all, and GO GRIZ!

I get the frustration, but why would you make blanket statements like "no nickel package" when you weren't really paying that close of attention? I at LEAST would have gone back and watched the replay before sending an email like that.

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

I'm not saying they didn't run nickel throughout the game, I'm saying they didn't run dime AND nickel enough (my mistake if it came off that way). Our team really needs more depth at DB if 2 injuries takes out the ability to call nickel and dime packages, but that would make sense why our defensive coaching staff is not using dime very often, if at all. I think I understand the basic defensive play formations, like the difference between a 4-3-4, a dime (4-1-6), and a nickel(3-3-5), did you not see my previous post with that information, man? Please think, analyze, and research before posting bold accusations like that, thanks.

When I believed to have seen 3 LB on the field pretty much every play we must be running a 3-3-5 or 4-3-4, yes? And I believe most often it was 4-3-4, but even with a 3-3-5 (Nickel) package it can still present a weakness in multiple WR passing down plays. Let me explain..

In a 4-3-4 without blitzes You've got 2 Safety valve positions, so that's already half your secondary. That leaves 2 CB's to initiate a guard on any player lined up as a WR, so if you see 3, 4, or 5 WR's lined up in a play call, you're looking at LB(s) that have to pick them up on perceived passing downs. So, wouldn't that mean in even a nickel package facing a 4 WR offensive set,you're looking at 1 LB still having to guard a WR, and with 5 WR you would have 2 LB having to guard, yes? So, hence why the dime (4-1-6) package, and quarter package exists, and should be available and used for pass happy offenses (takes a deep breath).

For the sake of argument I am going to re-watch this game, and statistically analyze how many 4-3-4, 3-3-5, 4-1-6, and Quarter package formations I saw. If I come back with some statistics that prove this argument that we rarely, if ever used Dime or Quarter, you'll see the post, if not I stand corrected, and perhaps what I thought I saw on the TV was not mostly 4-3-4 and 3-3-5 defense..

 

[Thurman Murman]

I get the frustration, but why would you make blanket statements like "no nickel package" when you weren't really paying that close of attention? I at LEAST would have gone back and watched the replay before sending an email like that.

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

I'm not saying they didn't run nickel throughout the game, I'm saying they didn't run dime AND nickel enough (my mistake if it came off that way). Our team really needs more depth at DB if 2 injuries takes out the ability to call nickel and dime packages, but that would make sense why our defensive coaching staff is not using dime very often, if at all. I think I understand the basic defensive play formations, like the difference between a 4-3-4, a dime (4-1-6), and a nickel(3-3-5), did you not see my previous post with that information, man? Please think, analyze, and research before posting bold accusations like that, thanks.

When I believed to have seen 3 LB on the field pretty much every play we must be running a 3-3-5 or 4-3-4, yes? And I believe most often it was 4-3-4 because I recall seeing LB J.P. Kanangataa having to pick up a WR many times. In a 4-3-4 without blitzes You've got 2 Safety valve positions, so that's already half your secondary. That leaves 2 CB's to initiate a guard on any player lined up as a WR, so if you see 3, 4, or 5 WR's lined up in a play call, you're looking at LB(s) that have to pick them up on perceived passing downs.For the sake of argument I am going to re-watch this game, and statistically analyze how many 4-3-4, how many 3-3-5 and how many 4-1-6 formations I saw. If I come back with some statistics that prove this argument you'll see the post, if not I stand corrected, and perhaps what I thought I saw on the TV was not mostly 4-3 defense..

OK then Tim, please explain this statement from your original post to me " For example, last game against SD I don't recall ever seeing our defense in a nickel or dime package scheme, do we even have one in our playbook?". Now are you sure that you said we didn't play nickel and dime?

Now that we cleared that up, let me explain a little about defensive personnel packages to you to save you the embarrassment in the future. You seem to think that a 4-3-4 equals base personnel, a 4-2-5 equals nickel personnel, etc. This is why you are not noticing when nickel is in the game. 4-3 refers to 4 players lined up in d-line positions and 3 players lined up in LB positions. Now these 3 line backers could be 3 players that play nothing but linebacker, or in the case of nickel it could be a 2 players that always play linebacker and the 3rd could be a player that usually plays saftey/corner lined up in the 3rd linebacker position. BUT THE DEFENSE IS STILL A 4-3 DEFENSE IN THIS NICKEL PACKAGE. they are simply taking a linebacker out (in this case JP) and replacing him with a DB in that LB position (usually Denard or JR). Same goes for when they are running a "light" 4 backer personnel. A d-lineman goes out of the game and a LB goes in, but they are still running a 4-3, it is just now a LB lined up in one d end spot. It looks to me that the D has two versions of this, one in which Tripp moves to d-end, another backer comes in, and a d-end moves to a 3 technique; And another where a d-end comes out and a backer replaces him at the d-end spot. Now it is important to remember that the defense is still lined up in a 4-3 in both of these cases.

So when you do your film breakdown make sure you are not looking for the defense to actually line up in a 4-3, 4-2, 4-1, etc to determine if they are in base, nickel, dime, etc. What you need to look for is a DB lined up in place of JP (or a backer lined up in place of and end in the "light" package). I count about 10 nickel packages and even a few more than that "light" packages. now that is about 1/3 of the defensive plays ran which is quite a few times to be out of a base personnel.

 

[mtgriz]

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...
Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Don't underestimate yourself...you're a tremendous slouch. :thumb:

Judge Smails!

 

[Grisly Fan]

Ya know, that's the beauty of this country. You can write emails to anyone as long you stays within some boundaries and be just fine. In other countries you would go to jail for disparaging a public figure. Celebrate the right to do so even as you laugh at some of the people who do it. You have the right!

 

[BWahlberg]

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

I'm not saying they didn't run nickel throughout the game, I'm saying they didn't run dime AND nickel enough (my mistake if it came off that way). Our team really needs more depth at DB if 2 injuries takes out the ability to call nickel and dime packages, but that would make sense why our defensive coaching staff is not using dime very often, if at all. I think I understand the basic defensive play formations, like the difference between a 4-3-4, a dime (4-1-6), and a nickel(3-3-5), did you not see my previous post with that information, man? Please think, analyze, and research before posting bold accusations like that, thanks.

When I believed to have seen 3 LB on the field pretty much every play we must be running a 3-3-5 or 4-3-4, yes? And I believe most often it was 4-3-4 because I recall seeing LB J.P. Kanangataa having to pick up a WR many times. In a 4-3-4 without blitzes You've got 2 Safety valve positions, so that's already half your secondary. That leaves 2 CB's to initiate a guard on any player lined up as a WR, so if you see 3, 4, or 5 WR's lined up in a play call, you're looking at LB(s) that have to pick them up on perceived passing downs.For the sake of argument I am going to re-watch this game, and statistically analyze how many 4-3-4, how many 3-3-5 and how many 4-1-6 formations I saw. If I come back with some statistics that prove this argument you'll see the post, if not I stand corrected, and perhaps what I thought I saw on the TV was not mostly 4-3 defense..

OK then Tim, please explain this statement from your original post to me " For example, last game against SD I don't recall ever seeing our defense in a nickel or dime package scheme, do we even have one in our playbook?". Now are you sure that you said we didn't play nickel and dime?

Now that we cleared that up, let me explain a little about defensive personnel packages to you to save you the embarrassment in the future. You seem to think that a 4-3-4 equals base personnel, a 4-2-5 equals nickel personnel, etc. This is why you are not noticing when nickel is in the game. 4-3 refers to 4 players lined up in d-line positions and 3 players lined up in LB positions. Now these 3 line backers could be 3 players that play nothing but linebacker, or in the case of nickel it could be a 2 players that always play linebacker and the 3rd could be a player that usually plays saftey/corner lined up in the 3rd linebacker position. BUT THE DEFENSE IS STILL A 4-3 DEFENSE IN THIS NICKEL PACKAGE. they are simply taking a linebacker out (in this case JP) and replacing him with a DB in that LB position (usually Denard or JR). Same goes for when they are running a "light" 4 backer personnel. A d-lineman goes out of the game and a LB goes in, but they are still running a 4-3, it is just now a LB lined up in one d end spot. It looks to me that the D has two versions of this, one in which Tripp moves to d-end, another backer comes in, and a d-end moves to a 3 technique; And another where a d-end comes out and a backer replaces him at the d-end spot. Now it is important to remember that the defense is still lined up in a 4-3 in both of these cases.

So when you do your film breakdown make sure you are not looking for the defense to actually line up in a 4-3, 4-2, 4-1, etc to determine if they are in base, nickel, dime, etc. What you need to look for is a DB lined up in place of JP (or a backer lined up in place of and end in the "light" package). I count about 10 nickel packages and even a few more than that "light" packages. now that is about 1/3 of the defensive plays ran which is quite a few times to be out of a base personnel.

 

[stubbins]

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...
Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Don't underestimate yourself...you're a tremendous slouch. :thumb:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
My wife just asked why I laughed so loud!

I told her someone finally appreciates my work...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yep. I'm a gas bag. In the grand scheme of griz football, my opinion doesn't mean shittola...

I come on here because it's fun to talk about griz sports. Sometimes I learn stuff, sometimes I get to read idiotic posts. Aaaaaaand every once in awhile I make a fool of myself...who cares...
Also, I feel it's my duty to educate anybody who's opinion is wrong...

Do you really think anything we post on here has any influence on anything?

Don't underestimate yourself...you're a tremendous slouch. :thumb:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
My wife just asked why I laughed so loud!

I told her someone finally appreciates my work...

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Be sure and tip your waitstaff...

 

[PlayerRep]

for all the constructive feedback left I thank you, for the negative trolling posts with no constructive feedback, just plain out insults.., all I can say is oh well, 'tis the consequence of Internet forums =p. I figured we ought to have played at least a few nickel and dime packages throughout the game, so good to know we apparently did. I was watching it at a bar and talking with a patron there so I missed some of the defensive plays. I still think we play 4-3 too often on passing downs. Thanks for suggesting I contact Ty Gregorak instead, might email him and just see if I get a response. Cheers to you all, and GO GRIZ!

I get the frustration, but why would you make blanket statements like "no nickel package" when you weren't really paying that close of attention? I at LEAST would have gone back and watched the replay before sending an email like that.

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

Good post. I'm wondering if we are related.

 

[Hammer]

:lol: I might have. I thought gas bag kinda meant that everyone is full of sh!t.

If a fella isn't sure of what a gas bag is vs being full of shit I'm led to believe you've probably had quite a calamity in your britches more than you'd like to admit.

LMAO! :clap: :lol:

OMG, the dreaded SHART!

Happens to all of us at times, usually at the most inopportune times! :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I was watching the game with close attention most of the time, there was a span of 5-10 minutes where I was talking with one guy, and missed a few plays, but I saw the majority of our defensive schemes. Like I said, I'll say it once, and again, and of course I admit I am no football expert, merely a spectator who likes to think he understands a little about the game, I am of the opinion that we stay in the 4-3 scheme too much. Perhaps maybe within a few years time the defensive coaching staff will look into switching our primary formation for play calling, and I would strongly support that, especially since we will be losing the heart of our LB core after this year.

For anyone who continues to merely criticize my opinion for the sake of disagreeing, all I ask is you suggest what you think would be a valid argument with regard to fixing our Defense this year. To those who already post in this manner of making a point and attempting to back it up, I commend you. To effortless replies: my biggest pet peeve on forums is chastisement/insults/sarcastic replies with no meaning beyond "you're dumb, or I don't like you" without valid reasons to support that notion. I do respect a gentleman who would poke fun at my judgement, but with a witty logic. If I wanted to just hear pointless insults I could go observe a gradeschool playground... =p.

AZ is right. You obviously either did not watch the game very closely or have no idea what a nickel package looks like. Because I did watch closely and saw the d in nickel at least ten times, and a "light" package with one less d line and one more linebacker just as many times. They did seem to go away from Nickel later in the game presumably because two corners got hurt and the nickel back now had to play a corner spot. Seriously, this calling for defensive personels is getting pretty old when they are already being run. Either pay more attention to the game or learn the game so you know what is being run.

I'm not saying they didn't run nickel throughout the game, I'm saying they didn't run dime AND nickel enough (my mistake if it came off that way). Our team really needs more depth at DB if 2 injuries takes out the ability to call nickel and dime packages, but that would make sense why our defensive coaching staff is not using dime very often, if at all. I think I understand the basic defensive play formations, like the difference between a 4-3-4, a dime (4-1-6), and a nickel(3-3-5), did you not see my previous post with that information, man? Please think, analyze, and research before posting bold accusations like that, thanks.

When I believed to have seen 3 LB on the field pretty much every play we must be running a 3-3-5 or 4-3-4, yes? And I believe most often it was 4-3-4 because I recall seeing LB J.P. Kanangataa having to pick up a WR many times. In a 4-3-4 without blitzes You've got 2 Safety valve positions, so that's already half your secondary. That leaves 2 CB's to initiate a guard on any player lined up as a WR, so if you see 3, 4, or 5 WR's lined up in a play call, you're looking at LB(s) that have to pick them up on perceived passing downs.For the sake of argument I am going to re-watch this game, and statistically analyze how many 4-3-4, how many 3-3-5 and how many 4-1-6 formations I saw. If I come back with some statistics that prove this argument you'll see the post, if not I stand corrected, and perhaps what I thought I saw on the TV was not mostly 4-3 defense..

OK then Tim, please explain this statement from your original post to me " For example, last game against SD I don't recall ever seeing our defense in a nickel or dime package scheme, do we even have one in our playbook?". Now are you sure that you said we didn't play nickel and dime?

Now that we cleared that up, let me explain a little about defensive personnel packages to you to save you the embarrassment in the future. You seem to think that a 4-3-4 equals base personnel, a 4-2-5 equals nickel personnel, etc. This is why you are not noticing when nickel is in the game. 4-3 refers to 4 players lined up in d-line positions and 3 players lined up in LB positions. Now these 3 line backers could be 3 players that play nothing but linebacker, or in the case of nickel it could be a 2 players that always play linebacker and the 3rd could be a player that usually plays saftey/corner lined up in the 3rd linebacker position. BUT THE DEFENSE IS STILL A 4-3 DEFENSE IN THIS NICKEL PACKAGE. they are simply taking a linebacker out (in this case JP) and replacing him with a DB in that LB position (usually Denard or JR). Same goes for when they are running a "light" 4 backer personnel. A d-lineman goes out of the game and a LB goes in, but they are still running a 4-3, it is just now a LB lined up in one d end spot. It looks to me that the D has two versions of this, one in which Tripp moves to d-end, another backer comes in, and a d-end moves to a 3 technique; And another where a d-end comes out and a backer replaces him at the d-end spot. Now it is important to remember that the defense is still lined up in a 4-3 in both of these cases.

So when you do your film breakdown make sure you are not looking for the defense to actually line up in a 4-3, 4-2, 4-1, etc to determine if they are in base, nickel, dime, etc. What you need to look for is a DB lined up in place of JP (or a backer lined up in place of and end in the "light" package). I count about 10 nickel packages and even a few more than that "light" packages. now that is about 1/3 of the defensive plays ran which is quite a few times to be out of a base personnel.

Yes. Several times Gamboa was in as an extra safety, and several times JR was in as an extra corner...but many times they'd be "in the box" and it would look like a base 4-3 when in reality it wasn't. Easy mistake to make unless you know everyone's jersey number...