Delaney will be BACK!

[Phat Cat]

And one more thing. Hey Hammer! How about them HAWKS? Wish I would of took the 40 point spread you were giving. Ha....

 

[GlacierGrizX]

I was not a huge Phlugrad fan the first 1 1/2 years until I noticed him starting to dial in both his coaching and team talent. The second half of Phlugrad's semi-final season you could just see the improvement each week, and consistency.

I don't blame Mick entirely, but he's the boss of the organization. It is his job to get his coaches to get every ounce of talent out of the players. If that means Worst kicks 50 field goals a day at practice, JP performing open field tackling drills, Jordy stepping up in the pocket, instead of back, the entire secondary doing wrap up drills instead of shoulder pad hits, the O-line punishing/pulverizing anyone in goal line situations, when the other team knows it going to be a run,etc! I just keep seeing the same mistakes every week, and the improvement mild at best!

JP has 15 tackles today. Maybe he didn't get em all, but he had a terrific day. JJ is doing play action and rolling out. He doesn't have a problem not stepping up.

During JJ's semi-final year, his best ability was to step up in the pocket, and made teams honest up in the middle in both the pass and his run ability. When you role out, you limit both your field-of view ,and your ability to look off defenders. I love that JJ is smart and throws alot of balls away, but there is reason to that. Cross field passes are not a viable option, as the defense has a longer time react, and most the time your throwing mechanics are parallel to line of scrimmage not perpendicular. It also allows the LB's to sag off in pass coverage allowing them to roam instead of being sucked up in the center in their hook to curl zones. Also, in single back spread formations, did we ever option draw it to either the single rb,or JJ QB draw, or was it always a pass? I would also like to see the same thing Sac St did to us at the goal line, via a naked bootleg. Start making defenses guess! In our particular schemes, we are one dimensional, and the defenses know our tendencies.

JP made some magnificent hits today, but still continues to whiff. When he does they go for big gains. He just needs to wrap-up and slow the guy down and wait for help. I think only true tackler on the team is Coyle, (Tripp over pursues sometimes) along with a few select interior D-line. The interior D-line is the only unit I will give kuddos to this week!

OK, fine, but stepping up into the pocket has nothing to do with what you said

JP had a very good day today, and missed very few tackles.

Do explain!

 

[Copper Griz]

How f'in bad is it when Griz fans are now celebrating barely winning and having no chance of winning the BSC. Celebrate mediocrity all you want - I won't be joining you ass kissing ingrates. If you think this team is well coached - then you are smoking crack. Our defense is awful and just imagine next year when we lose three seasoned linebackers. Mick Delaney is a nice man who did a great job cleaning up the program. He is a mediocre coach and it shows (his assistants are mediocre as well). Nothing about this team says - domination, especially the o-line. Good God - some of you bastards are starting to sound like Can't fans. We should make the playoffs maybe - does'nt that sound great! Holy hell. Embarrassing.

You are truly an idiot.

The feeling is completely mutual and the ass kissing in my post was just for you big boy

 

[Copper Griz]

I think other than Hermanson's dipshit move - the program is running fairly smoothly. Rules have been laid down and they are clear for the players. Tow the line or hit the road seems to be the mantra. Was that the case in the past with Pflu and Bobby, well that is another debate. I am no fan of Mick Delaney as a coach, but I do believe he is a disciplinarian that is fair. I will at least give him that

I don't think Delaney is any more of a disciplinarian than prior coaches. The Beau Donaldson situation was the unfortunate incident that got player's attention about consequences of their actions, and hopefully taught young people about such matters.

I agree that Delaney is a nice guy and a mediocre coach (at best), but he has not "cleaned up" any program.

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

 

[stubbins]

I don't think Delaney is any more of a disciplinarian than prior coaches. The Beau Donaldson situation was the unfortunate incident that got player's attention about consequences of their actions, and hopefully taught young people about such matters.

I agree that Delaney is a nice guy and a mediocre coach (at best), but he has not "cleaned up" any program.

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

Pflugrad was trying to take steps to clean up some things, you know, change perception and reality. The administration turned him down on some of these things. The firings were for one reason, and one reason only.... Engstrom asked Pflugrad and JOD to kick JJ off the team, and they said no, and he said you're done.

 

[Copper Griz]

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

Pflugrad was trying to take steps to clean up some things, you know, change perception and reality. The administration turned him down on some of these things. The firings were for one reason, and one reason only.... Engstrom asked Pflugrad and JOD to kick JJ off the team, and they said no, and he said you're done.

I don't doubt that what you say is in fact true Stubbins and I am not saying Pflu or BH had lost control of the program. The whole situation was unfortunate on so many levels and ultimately Mick Delaney was brought in to stabilize the steaming pile that Rolls Royce created by being inept. My major point with my initial post was the current coaching staff is mediocre. Some do not care for my critique. Fair enough - we are on a FANatic board and quite frankly all opinions on this board are debatable, lacking of complete knowledge/information, ridiculous, hilarious, incomprehensible, incoherent, made while intoxicated, angry, exuberant, and frequently pollyannish. Amazingly, some posts encompass all of the above. That is one of the reasons I go to egriz - entertainment.

 

[Maxim]

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks the defense is MD's fault is a complete idiot. Should he take the heat for it? Yes, that's what head coaches do. But the tackling, the being completely burned and lost in coverage, that's on the players and I'll bet any of you a million bucks guys like Tripp, Alex, even Hermy will step up and say the exact same thing. I don't give a flying eff what scheme the Griz put out there on D, the players are NOT executing and they'll be the first to admit.

I've said all along Mick would be back next season, and I see nothing to change my mind on that.

Nope try again. He makes the decisions about the defensive game plans, what players are on the field, how to coach proper technique, and who his coordinators are. So in reality the buck stops with him if he sits back and does nothing to change it.

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't think Delaney is any more of a disciplinarian than prior coaches. The Beau Donaldson situation was the unfortunate incident that got player's attention about consequences of their actions, and hopefully taught young people about such matters.

I agree that Delaney is a nice guy and a mediocre coach (at best), but he has not "cleaned up" any program.

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

Perception can have an impact on some situations. However, perception is not reality. That is only a cliche. If people have the wrong perception, then the perception should be changed to set the record straight. Much of the perception in this situation was wrong. Hauck was a huge disciplinarian. He got rid of kids that turned out to be bad kids or were goofing up too often. Most often, he just quietly sent them packing. Pflu wasn't nearly as tough, but Pflu was working to improve off-field incidents and behavior. He had a long list of these things on a list, to improve behavior, to reduce situations that might lead to kids doing dumb things (stopping the post-fall camp party), and stepping up education. He also weeded out some bad kids.

And once again, no one seems to be able to specifically cite the things Hauck or Pflu tolerated and fostered. The reason no one can do this, is because neither of them actually tolerated or fostered bad behavior. Some bad things happened from time to time, in the past dozen or so year, and there was alot of press on too many smaller things, but much of the bad press came from things that turned out not to be true. Wilson-acquitted. Probably shouldn't have been charged. JJ-acquitted. Should never have been charged. Other rumors of sexual assaults. Turned out not to be true, and nothing came of then, except Donaldson. Taser incident ended in a nolo plea to disorderly misconduct. Allegations of police misconduct. The DOJ investigation found zero issues with athletes. The ncaa investigation didn't even look at criminal incidents or sexual assaults, and again came up with nothing on athletes involving bad behavior. Multiple lesser incidents overcharged, and later dropped or reduced to almost nothing. The Missoulian and Florio contributed to the wrong perception. Engstrom's missteps contributed to the problems.

People like you keep referring to the tolerance/fostering roles of Hauck/Pflu, but refuse to back up your broad and conclusive statements.

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't think Delaney is any more of a disciplinarian than prior coaches. The Beau Donaldson situation was the unfortunate incident that got player's attention about consequences of their actions, and hopefully taught young people about such matters.

I agree that Delaney is a nice guy and a mediocre coach (at best), but he has not "cleaned up" any program.

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

As I said, you are an idiot.

 

[Copper Griz]

Fair enough, but if none of the players have disciplinary issues he gets the credit for running a clean program. I think it is safe to say the Griz had more than enough crap happen in previous years that it could be construed as a program in trouble. Does not matter if it was true or not - perception was reality. All of this is debatable, but if the Griz had zero arrests and stayed out of the headlines for negative incidents, we wouldn't be debating this to begin with.

List everything that you think was a problem. I don't think you can.

To think you called me an idiot, which is hilarious since you posted in previous threads that people resort to name calling when they can't make a valid argument. Wow! I won't continue to feed the troll that you are. I will leave it on this note - if you read my post it clearly stated perception was reality. I can confidently say many in the state of Montana believed there were problems with the program when Hauck and Pflu were at the helm. Was it true? Doesn't really matter - perception is reality. Like my perception of you being a cling on, ass kissing, has been that just can't stand people criticizing the program. Carry on cling on. Since you resorted to name calling I am now debating if I should refer to you as Pollyanna or Cling On. The suspense should be killing you.

As I said, you are an idiot.

Most lawyers use this as a closing statement.

 

[kemajic]

I just don't think Mick called U of M when the shit was hitting the fan. I think they called him. That's my two cents.

This is true; Engstrom painted us into a corner and begged Mick to come back on board to try to bail him out.

 

[kemajic]

So everything's fine because we won two of the last three games in which we were outplayed. That is comforting when expecting to play against playoff teams that will play D and not give away games. This team has given up 90 points and 1120 yards in the last two games. Please explain any comfort a Griz fan should have with that.

 

[Grizzoola]

He will not be back. I thank Mick for stepping up and saving this team and GrizNation when we needed it the most. Mick provided the band aid but isn't the one to get us to the next level....I really hope we open this interview process up and not make it "the connected one".

:clap: :thumb: :clap:

 

[kemajic]

(Tripp over pursues sometimes)

Sometimes? Tripp is consistently trying to play three positions instead of holding to the discipline of playing his own. He is frequently out of position. A great talent, but trying to do too much. Teams are taking advantage of his being all over the place.

 

[kemajic]

JP made some magnificent hits today, but still continues to whiff. When he does they go for big gains. He just needs to wrap-up and slow the guy down and wait for help.

JP and Hermanson had strong games; we would have lost big without them. Most of the whiffs I saw were by the corners and Tully. JP has a lot of situations where the DEs have not contained and he is getting no help from the corners. He is on an island by himself and he usually delivers the save. Taking on a skilled D1 RB or receiver one on one in the open field is not an easy task and no one is 100% in those situations. PR would say if you played the game, you would know that. But I won't; but I will say JP is not our problem on D.

 

[George Ferguson]

Pflu hired Ty as DC, not Delaney

 

[George Ferguson]

Pflu also brought Scott Gragg and Kefense to this staff as well, not Delaney

 

[ranco]

But I thought RE wanted a "change in direction" when he fired Pflu and O'day?

 

[albinogriz]

i wonder if ellis henderson would be willing to take over the head coaching position?

Well, at least we woudln't run every f***[*] down then.

JJ throws for 381 on 38 attempts yet we run on every down? How is that possible?

Idiot much?

:lol: :lol:

 

[griz4life]

Pflu also brought Scott Gragg and Kefense to this staff as well, not Delaney

Where do you get this stuff? Hynson was hired in June 2012. He is not a Pflugrad hire.