Bison player suspended over banned substance

[2011BisonAlumni]

How do we know the PED is caffeine, and not say cocaine or some steroids? Has there been an official announcement? I thought the ncaa treated it all the same.

Because he did not test possitive for an illegal drug or steroids. That is why Brock and his mom came out with their story.

He was tested positive for a banned stimulant by the NCAA and Brock said the product he took was a pre-workout supplement which had the stimulant in it.

Because of the privacy laws, NDSU cannot say what he tested positive for. With that being said, it is widely known the product was this:

https://www.cleanvictorysupplements.com/products/stage-one-pre-workout

Caffeine is the stimulant in the workout supplement, as it is in almost every single preworkout supplement. The NCAA puts out warnings regarding the use of caffeine and warns that the average person should not consume more than 500mg within a 3-4 hour period (equivalent of 6 cups of coffee) as it will result in a positive test for stimulants. This particular workout supplement has 250mg in a serving.

In this case, Brock easily could have put two scoops into his shake instead of one and pissed hot.

Again....were not debating whether or not the substance should be banned....were talking about how big of ass hats the NCAA is, and how theyll decide to jack this up. They could say screw it, not a big deal, everyone carry on. Orrrr they could do what they frequently do, and treat this like the kid murdered someone, and see what type of money and problems they can suck out of the predominant program in the FCS. They love to send irrelevant messages.

Does the NCAA differentiate between banned substances. Like do they treat steroids worse than caffeine?

One failed drug test and a mom bitching because her son didn’t know how to follow the directions established by the NCAA for consuming caffeine does not equate to an NCAA investigation.

Sorry.

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

 

[MikeyGriz]

This has to be headed for 17 pages!

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

There are 7 guidelines towards being labeled as a booster. Struggle to see which one he fits.

So how is he a booster?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

So how is he a booster?

First, that list is not exhaustive in the least. You might want to include:

-Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families? Maybe . . .
-Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics. Most definitely!

Second, if he's not a staff member, and he's that close to the program, the NCAA will fit him into the catch-all.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

So how is he a booster?

First, that list is not exhaustive in the least. You might want to include:

-Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families? Maybe . . .
-Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics. Most definitely!

Second, if he's not a staff member, and he's that close to the program, the NCAA will fit him into the catch-all.

Being hired as a mental performance coach is not the same as promoting the university.

Ben Newman is not out recruiting for NDSU athletics, assisting in fundraising, taking part in high school campus visits etc.

He’s a consultant who’s job is nothing close to promotion.

 

[PlayerRep]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

So how is he a booster?

One reason for an investigation by someone could be to look into what exactly Newman's role has been and whether he could be considered to be a booster.

How often, if ever, has he spoken or appeared with groups supporting NDSU athletics, i.e. the various booster organizations? "Participated in" is a vague term It must mean something other than "member" of, or participated wouldn't have been necessary. in the rule.

What is his relationship with the coaches? Where does he sit at games when he comes? Suites? AD's box. How about any trips to Frisco?

Let's assume these were the facts. He and his organization routinely gave free supplements, or samples, to the program or players. Do you think that's not an NCAA violation, or not an improper benefit? Especially when NDSU gave him access to the team and the players, and allowed him to use their facilities?

Improper benefits, etc. can come from people/organizations other than boosters. Anyone working for the athletic department, for example. What was his relationship to the program? Let's look at the contract.

I'm not saying anything improper occurred, but to say that no one has to investigate or look into the situation isn't accurate. I sure hope NDSU has looked closely at the situation.

Would it be okay for Ohio St. to allow a tattoo artist, who is not a booster, to use a room at the athletic department to provide free or discounted tattoos to players? Would the ncaa care?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has been involved in performance speaking.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

So how is he a booster?

One reason for an investigation by someone could be to look into what exactly Newman's role has been and whether he could be considered to be a booster.

How often, if ever, has he spoken or appeared with groups supporting NDSU athletics, i.e. the various booster organizations? "Participated in" is a vague term It must mean something other than "member" of, or participated wouldn't have been necessary. in the rule.

What is his relationship with the coaches? Where does he sit at games when he comes? Suites? AD's box. How about any trips to Frisco?

Let's assume these were the facts. He and his organization routinely gave free supplements, or samples, to the program or players. Do you think that's not an NCAA violation, or not an improper benefit? Especially when NDSU gave him access to the team and the players, and allowed him to use their facilities?

Improper benefits, etc. can come from people/organizations other than boosters. Anyone working for the athletic department, for example. What was his relationship to the program? Let's look at the contract.

I'm not saying anything improper occurred, but to say that no one has to investigate or look into the situation isn't accurate. I sure hope NDSU has looked closely at the situation.

Would it be okay for Ohio St. to allow a tattoo artist, who is not a booster, to use a room at the athletic department to provide free or discounted tattoos to players? Would the ncaa care?

Ben Newman’s role is pretty well known. He stops on campus periodically to give rah rah speeches, and then moves on to other college athletic programs, professional sport organizations, businesses etc.

He works with about a dozen NCAA universities, does business performance coaching , works with financial services industries that are sales heavy (ie Insurance companies etc).

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no fucking clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

 

[EverettGriz]

NCAA arrived on campus yet?

 

[PlayerRep]

Welcome to the mind of a T-Buffalo. The only place in the world where someone can be completely independent of a program, be paid by the program, have access to all players, recommend supplements, give assistance in mental coaching, maybe even give a few supplements on the house, and be neither a staff member nor a booster.

Sign this Newman guy up and give him a credit card. We have some recruiting to do.

Has Ben Newman participates in or been a member of an organization that promotes NDSU athletics? No

Is Ben Newman a donor or season ticket holder to NDSU athletic events? No

Does Ben Newman arrange for provide employment to NDSU students? No

So how is he a booster?

One reason for an investigation by someone could be to look into what exactly Newman's role has been and whether he could be considered to be a booster.

How often, if ever, has he spoken or appeared with groups supporting NDSU athletics, i.e. the various booster organizations? "Participated in" is a vague term It must mean something other than "member" of, or participated wouldn't have been necessary. in the rule.

What is his relationship with the coaches? Where does he sit at games when he comes? Suites? AD's box. How about any trips to Frisco?

Let's assume these were the facts. He and his organization routinely gave free supplements, or samples, to the program or players. Do you think that's not an NCAA violation, or not an improper benefit? Especially when NDSU gave him access to the team and the players, and allowed him to use their facilities?

Improper benefits, etc. can come from people/organizations other than boosters. Anyone working for the athletic department, for example. What was his relationship to the program? Let's look at the contract.

I'm not saying anything improper occurred, but to say that no one has to investigate or look into the situation isn't accurate. I sure hope NDSU has looked closely at the situation.

Would it be okay for Ohio St. to allow a tattoo artist, who is not a booster, to use a room at the athletic department to provide free or discounted tattoos to players? Would the ncaa care?

Ben Newman’s role is pretty well known. He stops on campus periodically to give rah rah speeches, and then moves on to other college athletic programs, professional sport organizations, businesses etc.

He works with about a dozen NCAA universities, does business performance coaching , works with financial services industries that are sales heavy (ie Insurance companies etc).

You keep missing the point. In fact, multiple points. It's not about what he generally does; it's about what he specifically does and did at NDSU. Also, it's not just a booster analysis. It's also an analysis of his role with NDSU.

If it's clear that the supplement in question didn't come from him, and that he and his organization never provide free supplements or samples, then I don't see a problem. This also assumes that the supplement itself isn't a banned substance, as opposed to one that can't/shouldn't be taken too much.

 

[PlayerRep]

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

Nope but having a cousin who plays for the team and knowing several former players very well and working with one, I feel like I know a hell of a lot more than most, and especially more than Certified Dumb Ass does.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

I’ll agree with you CDA

IF the NCAA elects to investigate

and...

IF the NCAA decides Ben Newman is a booster

and...

IF the NCAA decides he gave an improper benefit

THEN NDSU could be in trouble


Quite a few “if’s” that need to transpire

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no fucking clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Here is an Outside Consultant agreement from USC. You may be interested in the second to last para above the signature line, sub (2).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...5/misc_non_event/14_15_Outside_Consultant.pdf

Again, nobody has said Newman did, just that the NCAA may be interested in whether he did, particularly when there are failed drug tests and heavy suspensions involved.

 

[PlayerRep]

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

Nope but having a cousin who plays for the team and knowing several former players very well and working with one, I feel like I know a hell of a lot more than most, and especially more than Certified Dumb Ass does.

Yes, you probably do know more. However, I doubt that the university, and its formal or informal investigators, are telling the players and the locker room what they are doing and what they have found.

And, if the ncaa were to make an initial inquiry, I doubt that the university would disclose that or tell the players. In UM's situation, the ncaa has been investigating UM for 6 months before UM made a public announcement, and the investigation had been kept very quiet. I'm guessing I know more about UM's ncaa investigation and ncaa investigations in general than you do. Dp does CDA.

 

[PlayerRep]

I’ll agree with you CDA

IF the NCAA elects to investigate

and...

IF the NCAA decides Ben Newman is a booster

and...

IF the NCAA decides he gave an improper benefit

THEN NDSU could be in trouble


Quite a few “if’s” that need to transpire

Again, he doesn't have to be a booster. Others, like people in or associated with athletic departments, can't provide benefits either.