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Bad Refs

OptimusPrime said:
Loose ball fouls on defensive rebounds aren't exactly called a lot on the defensive team. Carry on.

See Qvale's 4th foul...forced him to sit down during the big N Colo run...
 
OptimusPrime said:
My bad, didn't know I was posting "smack," I was just mystified how being in foul trouble severely limits your ability to rebound. It certainly limits what you can do on defense, but saying foul trouble is the reason why two 7 foot tall players weren't able to rebound is stretching it. As I was told as a young'n playing basketball, "there is no excuse for not rebounding." Loose ball fouls on defensive rebounds aren't exactly called a lot on the defensive team. Carry on.


Selvig and Qvale were both called on defensive rebounds...carry on.
 
mlbowl said:
OptimusPrime said:
My bad, didn't know I was posting "smack," I was just mystified how being in foul trouble severely limits your ability to rebound. It certainly limits what you can do on defense, but saying foul trouble is the reason why two 7 foot tall players weren't able to rebound is stretching it. As I was told as a young'n playing basketball, "there is no excuse for not rebounding." Loose ball fouls on defensive rebounds aren't exactly called a lot on the defensive team. Carry on.


Selvig and Qvale were both called on defensive rebounds...carry on.
Okie Dokie.
If you want to blame the refs for making them timid on rebounds, that's fine, but I'll say for the last time, the bottom line is that this game should have never been close. Good teams overcome bad reffing. Griz were the superior team and couldn't put NoCo away after leading for 75% of the game. They shouldn't have been in the position where the reffing could make the difference. They have been by far the best team in the conf and it seemed to me they ran out of steam at the end. I'm sorry there were bad calls last night, but you can't let it dictate the game. It sucks, but they couldn't get it done at the end.
 
I have it on good authority that the refs weren't satisfied with how "easy" they had been on the Griz and went to sleep with whistles in mouths. When they woke up Cherry had 30 fouls, Qvale 28, Selvig 27,etc...in fairness though, they did give Beitzel his 4th foul when he kicked Cherry in the nuts(another fantasy in the refs' dreams since they couldn't physically do it)!
 
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OptimusPrime said:
mlbowl said:
OptimusPrime said:
My bad, didn't know I was posting "smack," I was just mystified how being in foul trouble severely limits your ability to rebound. It certainly limits what you can do on defense, but saying foul trouble is the reason why two 7 foot tall players weren't able to rebound is stretching it. As I was told as a young'n playing basketball, "there is no excuse for not rebounding." Loose ball fouls on defensive rebounds aren't exactly called a lot on the defensive team. Carry on.


Selvig and Qvale were both called on defensive rebounds...carry on.
Okie Dokie.
If you want to blame the refs for making them timid on rebounds, that's fine, but I'll say for the last time, the bottom line is that this game should have never been close. Good teams overcome bad reffing. Griz were the superior team and couldn't put NoCo away after leading for 75% of the game. They shouldn't have been in the position where the reffing could make the difference. They have been by far the best team in the conf and it seemed to me they ran out of steam at the end. I'm sorry there were bad calls last night, but you can't let it dictate the game. It sucks, but they couldn't get it done at the end.
and, that my friends, is the truth.....they can still make a showing in the NIT..I think it is time to move on...UM lost to No Colo. two out three.....make more shots and you win...they didn't...next...
 
OptimusPrime said:
Good teams overcome bad reffing.

Sometimes they don't.
OptimusPrime said:
They shouldn't have been in the position where the reffing could make the difference.

Other than shooting 100%...I don't really know what they could've done differently.
OptimusPrime said:
I'm sorry there were bad calls last night,

are you?
OptimusPrime said:
but they couldn't get it done at the end.

This I actually agree with.
 
mlbowl said:
Other than shooting 100%...I don't really know what they could've done differently.

:shock:

how about shooting 50%? or even 45%? the griz shot 43% from the field, and 33% from downtown. 6-18 from 3 point range isn't gonna get it done.

there were many reasons the griz didn't win last night, even though i still feel they were the best team. officiating is far down the list. poor shooting and long stretches without points tops the list.
 
ilovethecats said:
6-18 from 3 point range isn't gonna get it done.

I believe that's better than our season average for 3-pointers...Selvig's our best outside threat :shock: ...the inability to get the ball to Qvale was a bigger factor than outside shooting.
 
Officiating is number one on that list ^ . If that game is called fairly the Griz win by half a dozen.

And if the NAU game was called fairly UNC wouldn't have even been there.
 
Most independent people seem to think that the Griz would have won with even officiating. That's good enough for me. Doesn't mean the officiating cost the Griz the game (they had opps to win it), but that it was clearly a huge factor.
 
mlbowl said:
ilovethecats said:
6-18 from 3 point range isn't gonna get it done.

I believe that's better than our season average for 3-pointers...Selvig's our best outside threat :shock: ...the inability to get the ball to Qvale was a bigger factor than outside shooting.

no disagreement there man. gotta get that guy involved early and often. but when the defense keeps that from happening, you got make shots. there was one stretch last night where i swear you guys went five minutes without a point!

i just think fans like to put way to much emphasis on officiating. i would be willing to bet anything that tinkle and his staff today are much more upset with how the TEAM played, and the COACHES coached then they are about how the REFS were.

fans whine about officiating. coaches and players take the blame and get better....
 
Zootown Rox said:
Officiating is number one on that list ^ . If that game is called fairly the Griz win by half a dozen.

And if the NAU game was called fairly UNC wouldn't have even been there.

EXACTLY!!! Refs can have a HUGE influence on a game and what was witnessed was EXACTLY what would have happened if the refs were on the take. I'm not saying that's why they reffed like they did, but it is how you accomplish giving a game to a team if you wanted too.
 
i just think fans like to put way to much emphasis on officiating. i would be willing to bet anything that tinkle and his staff today are much more upset with how the TEAM played, and the COACHES coached then they are about how the REFS were.

fans whine about officiating. coaches and players take the blame and get better....

100% accurate. I can almost assure you not one word has been spoken by the team or the staff about the officiating. But plenty has been said about areas where the team could have and should have done more.

But I'm not sure that changes the discussion that the officiating was one-sided enough to have a serious impact on the game. I think it's reasonable to say that UNC gained an unfair advantage from the officials without saying that the officials "cost" the Griz the game.
 
EverettGriz said:
i just think fans like to put way to much emphasis on officiating. i would be willing to bet anything that tinkle and his staff today are much more upset with how the TEAM played, and the COACHES coached then they are about how the REFS were.

fans whine about officiating. coaches and players take the blame and get better....

100% accurate. I can almost assure you not one word has been spoken by the team or the staff about the officiating. But plenty has been said about areas where the team could have and should have done more.

But I'm not sure that changes the discussion that the officiating was one-sided enough to have a serious impact on the game. I think it's reasonable to say that UNC gained an unfair advantage from the officials without saying that the officials "cost" the Griz the game.

I don't believe that for a second. I believe Tinks had a heart to heart with the team about how they deserved to be going to the big dance AND how sorry he was that that chance was so blatantly taken away from them. And then I believe he would turn it into a basketball and life lesson. You will never convince me he just NEVER brought it up. It's part of the game(no more evident than last night) you don't just ignore it. Especially with the utter look of disbelief on Cherry's face on his 5th foul. That smile was a knowledgeable look of "Wow, we just got the most homered ever".
 
It is the day after and I still beleive the refs were flying on a wing and a prayer last night. Conflict of interest, perhaps not. Just poor work by the Big Skys best? Best? :lol:

Bottom line: UNC will get BLOWN OUT in the NCAAs and further our conferences low ranking etc.

Good luck to them but seriously they don't have a chance.

All fans in the Big Sky will cheer them on and hope for a miracle. :thumb:

Is failure the best option for the Big Sky? This is not a crisis for the conference but lets face it, we are not a great BB conference and so I say RPI does not mean much today. Be glad we are not the Missouri Bears as they have finished with a top-40 RPI three times since 2000 but have been left out of the NCAAs each time. They are on the bubble again this year (46th).

Yes, this is an official rant and I will admit I am a very poor loser. Meantime I am travling and I am unable to get old "Growlsalot" to buy me a cold one. Getting over it and trying to get un-stuck but it's pure hell man. :(
 
SeaGrizluvr said:
EverettGriz said:
i just think fans like to put way to much emphasis on officiating. i would be willing to bet anything that tinkle and his staff today are much more upset with how the TEAM played, and the COACHES coached then they are about how the REFS were.

fans whine about officiating. coaches and players take the blame and get better....

100% accurate. I can almost assure you not one word has been spoken by the team or the staff about the officiating. But plenty has been said about areas where the team could have and should have done more.

But I'm not sure that changes the discussion that the officiating was one-sided enough to have a serious impact on the game. I think it's reasonable to say that UNC gained an unfair advantage from the officials without saying that the officials "cost" the Griz the game.

I don't believe that for a second. I believe Tinks had a heart to heart with the team about how they deserved to be going to the big dance AND how sorry he was that that chance was so blatantly taken away from them. And then I believe he would turn it into a basketball and life lesson. You will never convince me he just NEVER brought it up. It's part of the game(no more evident than last night) you don't just ignore it. Especially with the utter look of disbelief on Cherry's face on his 5th foul. That smile was a knowledgeable look of "Wow, we just got the most homered ever".
So their poor shooting, lack of rebounding, and inability to put away an inferior team after leading for most of the game wasn't the reason they lost? Come on people!
 
Especially with the utter look of disbelief on Cherry's face on his 5th foul. That smile was a knowledgeable look of "Wow, we just got the most homered ever".

Yes, and you also saw Tinks immediately grab Will and appear to tell him in no uncertain terms to sit down and shut up. Tinkle would never allow his players to use ANYthing for an excuse. His job is to have them believe they can win no matter what the situation. He knows the players know they got jobbed. But he's not about to tell them they can use it as an excuse. No way in hell.
 
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