App St/msu

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

Is it just me, or is it starting to feel like the scats may not have won dick in 1984? There's a weird defensiveness to their indignation (coupled with a total lack of video evidence). :wtf:

 

[Thurman Murman]

Fail. Griz were in semis 2 years ago. MSU hasn't made it out of the Quarters in any year. Same as App. So, you're definitely not better than the griz over the past 3 years & you're at best equal to App over the past 3 years. At least on a national stage which is all that really matters...

App has one win in 3 years in the playoffs, MSU has 2

UM failed to even qualify for the playoffs 2 of the 3 years and they were eliminated by the same team that eliminated the Cats.

MSU has a better W/L record that either App or UM over the 3 year period.

MSU has a national award winner in the 3 year period.

MSU has a higher average ranking than either App or UM in the 3 year period

MSU win the head to head vs UM 2-1 in the 3 year period.

:lol: What a bunch of meaningless measuring sticks. That's the problem with MSU & MSU fans...they still think all those things actually MEAN something.

:lol: Hey, he got me AZ!....Congrats Cat fans! Let us bow at your accomplishments!

Sorry, but that's the difference. You've got a slightly better record over past 3 years. But I think your touting of the MSU "accomplishments" shows the difference in MSU relative to App St / Montana. As slight as the advantages you list are in these areas over this small window of time, you're bragging of your "accomplishments" while at the same time App St / Griz fans would, nay, DO consider the past 3 years a failure for not meeting expectations.

Outside of 1984 (29 years ago), these are your glory days! 1 more win in the playoffs, no semi's, no finals, no championships on a national level & sharing the conf title 2 of the 3 years. Congrats on the low bar of futility you have set and continue to maintain! :thumb:

Yeah I believe the problem lies in a difference of expectations. Cat fans are content with being average/good and act like that means they are great. Griz and app fans have tasted greatness on a regular basis and any season that the cats have had since 84 would be considered a disappointment to us. Again it simply comes down to expectations.

It's just like the cat fans on here and kittynation boasting about the scouts that have been to a few practices. At UM (and I assume App), scouts are at practice more often than not and are not something to get excited about. This year they decided to stop by and watch little brother after visiting the real football program (because they have a few POSSIBLE nfl guys. Which would be the case on a down year at UM and App).

Or perhaps the latest one. The hype among cat fans now is that they sold out a whopping 4 days before the game. Again just another day on the job at the big time fcs schools.

 

[NLGrizFan]

App has one win in 3 years in the playoffs, MSU has 2

UM failed to even qualify for the playoffs 2 of the 3 years and they were eliminated by the same team that eliminated the Cats.

MSU has a better W/L record that either App or UM over the 3 year period.

MSU has a national award winner in the 3 year period.

MSU has a higher average ranking than either App or UM in the 3 year period

MSU win the head to head vs UM 2-1 in the 3 year period.

:lol: What a bunch of meaningless measuring sticks. That's the problem with MSU & MSU fans...they still think all those things actually MEAN something.

:lol: Hey, he got me AZ!....Congrats Cat fans! Let us bow at your accomplishments!

Sorry, but that's the difference. You've got a slightly better record over past 3 years. But I think your touting of the MSU "accomplishments" shows the difference in MSU relative to App St / Montana. As slight as the advantages you list are in these areas over this small window of time, you're bragging of your "accomplishments" while at the same time App St / Griz fans would, nay, DO consider the past 3 years a failure for not meeting expectations.

Outside of 1984 (29 years ago), these are your glory days! 1 more win in the playoffs, no semi's, no finals, no championships on a national level & sharing the conf title 2 of the 3 years. Congrats on the low bar of futility you have set and continue to maintain! :thumb:

Yeah I believe the problem lies in a difference of expectations. Cat fans are content with being average/good and act like that means they are great. Griz and app fans have tasted greatness on a regular basis and any season that the cats have had since 84 would be considered a disappointment to us. Again it simply comes down to expectations.

It's just like the cat fans on here and kittynation boasting about the scouts that have been to a few practices. At UM (and I assume App), scouts are at practice more often than not and are not something to get excited about. This year they decided to stop by and watch little brother after visiting the real football program (because they have a few POSSIBLE nfl guys. Which would be the case on a down year at UM and App).

Or perhaps the latest one. The hype among cat fans now is that they sold out a whopping 4 days before the game. Again just another day on the job at the big time fcs schools.

This!!! Nice post!! :clap:

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Is it just me, or is it starting to feel like the scats may not have won dick in 1984? There's a weird defensiveness to their indignation (coupled with a total lack of video evidence).

I seem to recall seeing some of the Playoff games on television that the MSU Bobcats played in 1984. Rhode Island? Louisiana Tech? Strange that they don't have video tape on those games.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

Is it just me, or is it starting to feel like the scats may not have won dick in 1984? There's a weird defensiveness to their indignation (coupled with a total lack of video evidence).

I seem to recall seeing some of the Playoff games on television that the MSU Bobcats played in 1984. Rhode Island? Louisiana Tech? Strange that they don't have video tape on those games.

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.
If I find myself with a spare couple of hours this week, I'll try to swing by the Mansfield Library to comb through the microfiche (sp?) files; seems like the Bozeman Chronicle would have at least mentioned this tilt... :ugeek:

 

[NLGrizFan]

Is it just me, or is it starting to feel like the scats may not have won dick in 1984? There's a weird defensiveness to their indignation (coupled with a total lack of video evidence).

I seem to recall seeing some of the Playoff games on television that the MSU Bobcats played in 1984. Rhode Island? Louisiana Tech? Strange that they don't have video tape on those games.

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.
If I find myself with a spare couple of hours this week, I'll try to swing by the Mansfield Library to comb through the microfiche (sp?) files; seems like the Bozeman Chronicle would have at least mentioned this tilt... :ugeek:

:lol: :lol:

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.

I think you're on to something, here. I mean, for example, didn't the Northeastern Huskies have 2009 as their final year of football?...yet, there's this 2013 Football roster < http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/111/northeastern-huskies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...of the CAA North (Colonial Athletic Assoiation) four years after they quit football!!! How does that happen? I wouldn't be a bit surprised that MSU has the same thing going but it goes so far back into the ancient times that it's now but hearsay and without any factual video evidence backing it up, no less. It's really a shame that someone does things like that. Geez.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.

I think you're on to something, here. I mean, for example, didn't the Northeastern Huskies have 2009 as their final year of football?...yet, there's this 2013 Football roster < http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/111/northeastern-huskies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...of the CAA North (Colonial Athletic Assoiation) four years after they quit football!!! How does that happen? I wouldn't be a bit surprised that MSU has the same thing going but it goes so far back into the ancient times that it's now but hearsay and without any factual video evidence backing it up, no less. It's really a shame that someone does things like that. Geez.

The water around this supposed "NC" is starting to get seriously murky... :?: Can you imagine the hand-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth around Bozo if this deception turns out to be true? And to think, it will have been a rag-tag bunch of e-grizzers that had the courage, determination and savvy to finally shine a light on this sham! :clap: :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.

I think you're on to something, here. I mean, for example, didn't the Northeastern Huskies have 2009 as their final year of football?...yet, there's this 2013 Football roster < http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/111/northeastern-huskies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...of the CAA North (Colonial Athletic Assoiation) four years after they quit football!!! How does that happen? I wouldn't be a bit surprised that MSU has the same thing going but it goes so far back into the ancient times that it's now but hearsay and without any factual video evidence backing it up, no less. It's really a shame that someone does things like that. Geez.

The water around this supposed "NC" is starting to get seriously murky... :?: Can you imagine the hand-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth around Bozo if this deception turns out to be true? And to think, it will have been a rag-tag bunch of e-grizzers that had the courage, determination and savvy to finally shine a light on this sham! :clap: :thumb:

That's the way it always works. Look at Watergate. We need to find a Deep Throat to blow this thing open.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

You see, that's part of the problem; even the macro-details of this supposed football game are fuzzier than a Georgia peach! If we could figure out who exactly they claim to have bested, perhaps we could contact that school's archivist-in-residence for independent corroboration.

I think you're on to something, here. I mean, for example, didn't the Northeastern Huskies have 2009 as their final year of football?...yet, there's this 2013 Football roster < http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/111/northeastern-huskies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...of the CAA North (Colonial Athletic Assoiation) four years after they quit football!!! How does that happen? I wouldn't be a bit surprised that MSU has the same thing going but it goes so far back into the ancient times that it's now but hearsay and without any factual video evidence backing it up, no less. It's really a shame that someone does things like that. Geez.

The water around this supposed "NC" is starting to get seriously murky... :?: Can you imagine the hand-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth around Bozo if this deception turns out to be true? And to think, it will have been a rag-tag bunch of e-grizzers that had the courage, determination and savvy to finally shine a light on this sham! :clap: :thumb:

That's the way it always works. Look at Watergate. We need to find a Deep Throat to blow this thing open.

You're right, of course. There is one problem with this, however...it's getting quite difficult to find people that are still alive from that era; and the handful that I've been able to locate aren't really "with it" enough to stand as reliable witnesses to that supposed event.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think you're on to something, here. I mean, for example, didn't the Northeastern Huskies have 2009 as their final year of football?...yet, there's this 2013 Football roster < http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/111/northeastern-huskies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...of the CAA North (Colonial Athletic Assoiation) four years after they quit football!!! How does that happen? I wouldn't be a bit surprised that MSU has the same thing going but it goes so far back into the ancient times that it's now but hearsay and without any factual video evidence backing it up, no less. It's really a shame that someone does things like that. Geez.

The water around this supposed "NC" is starting to get seriously murky... :?: Can you imagine the hand-wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth around Bozo if this deception turns out to be true? And to think, it will have been a rag-tag bunch of e-grizzers that had the courage, determination and savvy to finally shine a light on this sham! :clap: :thumb:

That's the way it always works. Look at Watergate. We need to find a Deep Throat to blow this thing open.

You're right, of course. There is one problem with this, however...it's getting quite difficult to find people that are still alive from that era; and the handful that I've been able to locate aren't really "with it" enough to stand as reliable witnesses to that supposed event.

Hmm. That is definitely a problem. 9,125 people were supposedly in attendance at the game in Johnson Hagood Stadium (if that even exists). Here is a purported picture of the venue that looks very photoshopped to me:

I'm sure there are some stone tablets or something that document each person who bartered his or her way into the game, and what he or she traded to get in. Fifty yard line tickets were probably 3 or 4 goats (roughly equivalent to 2 bushels of candle wax or spices), adjusted for inflation, of course.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

It was a simpler time, wasn't it? I sometimes wonder what it must have been like back then. Dangerous, certainly, but also exciting! The possibility of statehood had the territorial capital all abuzz, and there was land aplenty (for those with the grit to grab it)! :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It was a simpler time, wasn't it? I sometimes wonder what it must have been like back then. Dangerous, certainly, but also exciting! The possibility of statehood had the territorial capital all abuzz, and there was land aplenty (for those with the grit to grab it)! :lol:

Oh, sure. But then the feds moved in and started regulating the money lenders, merchants, and madams such that a guy couldn't even get a decent barrel of kerosene or a roll in the hay without paying out the nose.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

It was a simpler time, wasn't it? I sometimes wonder what it must have been like back then. Dangerous, certainly, but also exciting! The possibility of statehood had the territorial capital all abuzz, and there was land aplenty (for those with the grit to grab it)! :lol:

Oh, sure. But then the feds moved in and started regulating the money lenders, merchants, and madams such that a guy couldn't even get a decent barrel of kerosene or a roll in the hay without paying out the nose.

:lol: Not to mention the cattle and copper barons putting the squeeze on the workin' man. Oh, there was no shortage of trials and tribulations. But legend has it that the Montana School of Livestock and Seeds put together a ragtag bunch of misfits and hellions, taught 'em the basics of a game that they called "the leatherkins", and shipped 'em on down to...wherever the "leatherkins" match was held in those days. To hear the old-timers tell it, them boys did us proud! :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It was a simpler time, wasn't it? I sometimes wonder what it must have been like back then. Dangerous, certainly, but also exciting! The possibility of statehood had the territorial capital all abuzz, and there was land aplenty (for those with the grit to grab it)! :lol:

Oh, sure. But then the feds moved in and started regulating the money lenders, merchants, and madams such that a guy couldn't even get a decent barrel of kerosene or a roll in the hay without paying out the nose.

:lol: Not to mention the cattle and copper barons putting the squeeze on the workin' man. Oh, there was no shortage of trials and tribulations. But legend has it that the Montana School of Livestock and Seeds put together a ragtag bunch of misfits and hellions, taught 'em the basics of a game that they called "the leatherkins", and shipped 'em on down to...wherever the "leatherkins" match was held in those days. To hear the old-timers tell it, them boys did us proud! :clap:

Indeed, I've been reading up tonight about that game. Those leatherkinners from Johnny Bozeman's region apparently went down to dixieland and engaged in quite the battle on the old grid. They incurred several penalties for forward passing, but ultimately (allegedly) prevailed in a closely-contested bout. Their wearing of old, round, leather aviator helmets prompted one local reporter to exclaim that they should be called the "Boob Hats," because the buttons on top of their helmets resembled a nipple hanging from an old, leathery tit. The name eventually evolved into "Bob Hats" by way of tribute to the locally legendary Bob "Buttplug" McGillicutty, the famous Montana A&M scatback from the 1930s. The rest is history.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

It was a simpler time, wasn't it? I sometimes wonder what it must have been like back then. Dangerous, certainly, but also exciting! The possibility of statehood had the territorial capital all abuzz, and there was land aplenty (for those with the grit to grab it)! :lol:

Oh, sure. But then the feds moved in and started regulating the money lenders, merchants, and madams such that a guy couldn't even get a decent barrel of kerosene or a roll in the hay without paying out the nose.

:lol: Not to mention the cattle and copper barons putting the squeeze on the workin' man. Oh, there was no shortage of trials and tribulations. But legend has it that the Montana School of Livestock and Seeds put together a ragtag bunch of misfits and hellions, taught 'em the basics of a game that they called "the leatherkins", and shipped 'em on down to...wherever the "leatherkins" match was held in those days. To hear the old-timers tell it, them boys did us proud! :clap:

Indeed, I've been reading up tonight about that game. Those leatherkinners from Johnny Bozeman's region apparently went down to dixieland and engaged in quite the battle on the old grid. They incurred several penalties for forward passing, but ultimately (allegedly) prevailed in a closely-contested bout. Their wearing of old, round, leather aviator helmets prompted one local reporter to exclaim that they should be called the "Boob Hats," because the buttons on top of their helmets resembled a nipple hanging from an old, leathery tit. The name eventually evolved into "Bob Hats" by way of tribute to the locally legendary Bob "Buttplug" McGillicutty, the famous Montana A&M scatback from the 1930s. The rest is history.

Obviously, no video footage exists of that fearsome struggle (even cameras were quite new then, and thought by many to be some sort of "soul-stealing" device). But there is an intriguing oral history that mentions a collection of young men outfitted in those absurd (even by that era's standards) "boob hats".
Might it be that that goofy group of misfits are the same bunch so revered in Bozeman as their "National Champions"? :shock:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I knew this fu*ker would get to 17 pages.............................

 

[grizhunter]

I knew this fu*ker would get to 17 pages.............................

Why Alpha, why? This one has brought out some real jackwads. :lol:

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Nobody is saying that the Cats are NDSU or even SHSU, but it is pretty hard to deny that they have had more success than either the Griz or App St in the last 3 years. If you're not butt hurt over the Cats success then why would you even bring them into the conversation by starting this thread.

Pretty sure the Griz went to the SEMIS in the last 3 years, pretty sure the CANTS have not! Can we not have a cats fan try to define SUCCESS? :thumb:

 

[CatzWillRise]

Griz fans: Our one top 4 finish in 3 years is better than your 3 top 8 finishes in that same time span!

Cat fans: Nuh-uh!

Thread summarized for all those who don't want to read it.