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Merkleman said:
Yes this has turned into a cat fight with the fellas who have a man crush on Jensen. I don’t have a dog in this fight either I just opined that Sneed was going to be the 1 in a series of posts that some guy named Ursa Major likened it to me trying to suck my own cock. Good stuff, Ursa you really brought your a game and that really added to the discussion. Then when I call you out on it you turn the lights out and hide all the other glib tough guys with keyboard do when they are called on it. Yeah Lol. Hey Ursa let’s agree that you go and be a dick on some other threads and stay out of here so the fellas that really want to have a discussion about griz football won’t be distracted by juvinile commentary. Got it chief, good thanks.
Sorry for digressing and thank you for the post. Sneed played jc in Kansas I really don’t know much about jc ball in general but you can’t dismiss it out of hand seeing as all of the nflers who went that route. Rogers comes to mind, I’m from butte and he went to butte college in California out of high school, love my butte college sweatshirt lol. Sneed had about 300 yards rushing at UNLV and his jc playing only 8 and 9 games. Jensen would be a 4 year starter if he was playing for stitt who I believe recruited him to be the prototype for his D2 offense. Conversely The only reason Sneed is here is because Stitt isn’t. Sneed got recruited by Bobby and Rossy twice for the same reason being that he is their prototype qb to run their system a predominately one back set with two tight ends with a moving pocket and lots of roll outs and and a qb who can run and pass well. A qb who is quick and physical and is expected to ru. The ball, who can react quickly while on the move. Jensen is a drop back stand in the pocket guy who has a big arm throws off his back feet a lot while back pedaling rather then step up and plant and throw and take a hit if required. He has gotten away with that since high school and despite going into his 3rd year of D1 football still hasn’t worked on or it wasn’t required to with Stitt. Rossy first comment was he needs better footwork. You can’t coach speed and quickness Jensen doesn’t have that he has good arm and his tall and a goof drop back qb. Its unfortunate for him but he doesn’t fit the new system and Sneed does or else Bobby wouldn’t have recruited him, he would have recruited a Jensen clone. He didn’t he recruited Graves who is a powerful physical qb who wrestled and was undefeated against everybody from every class. Jensen played hoops,in high school which most high school qbs do, because they are not commonly tough and physically strong like Graves and Sneed. I believe Jensen should have moved on to a place that could use his skill set, because I don’t think he will play if Sneed stays healthy and when Sneed leaves Graves will take over. Ok well its just like my opinion man. Thanks
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406 said:
Thanks for the post. I move we work garret into the qb discussion with Jensen and Sneed. I kind of touched on that in my last post. I’m also going to keep an eye on Turners 100 and 200m times as the track season gets going. Right on. :thumb:
Colter_Nuanez56
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The most similar quarterback to Gresch Jensen I've seen play for the Griz is Cole Bergquist. Cole played with so many great players, his talent is often times overlooked. But Cole had tremendous arm strength and great athleticism. Jensen throws a better deep ball and has more touch. Cole threw with more velocity and had better overall pocket awareness and mobility (especially by the end of his career).
I confess I am close to Cole. We lived together our last year in Missoula and myself, then my brother continued living with him while Cole was living part time in Missoula and part time in the CFL.
The Gresch Jensen-Dalton Sneed situation is very similar to what Hauck did in an effort to make Bergquist better. After redshirting, Bergquist had success early:
Jensen thriving while walking path less traveled
https://skylinesportsmt.com/jensen-thriving-while-walking-path-less-traveled/
Coming out of that successful redshirt freshman season, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. From ^ story:
Like has been said in this thread already, if Dalton Sneed ends up being better than Gresch Jensen, Montana got itself a good transfer. If Sneed pushes Jensen to become significantly better and Jensen wins the job, that's also really good for the Griz.
With no other experienced quarterback on the roster, it's a smart move to cultivate competition by bringing in a transfer who already has experience with Hauck and and Rosenbach. And if you know anything about Hauck, he will always challenge every one of his players to be the best they possibly can be. More than anything, Hauck wants fierce competition and he wants to see how Jensen will respond to the addition of a talented player who could take his spot.
“We have a great quarterback competition going right now,” Hauck said. “[There are] good, healthy, supportive guys going at it in that room. It’s kind of fun to watch it this first week here. [It’s been good for Sneed] to push Gresch or vice versa, for Gresch to push Dalton.”
“They’re two totally different individuals,” Rosenbach said. “Dalton’s a little more verbal and will say a little bit more, and Gresch is a little bit more reserved. That’s fine. They don’t need to be the same guy. All they need to do is compete, and I think both of them will be ready to play.”
Despite standout freshman year, Jensen has competition this spring
https://skylinesportsmt.com/despite-standout-freshman-year-jensen-has-competition-this-spring/
From what I've seen in practice, the coaches are working hard on Jensen with his footwork. When it comes to the pure throwing of the football, he spins it the better of the two. Sneed seems to have better footwork and more diversity inside and outside the pocket but also seems to have a harder time driving the ball on out routes to the opposite hash.
I've seen both throw a collection of interceptions during team periods and can't honestly recall a touchdown. But I also have not been able to stay for more than the first 1.5 hours of practice because I have my ESPN show at 4 p.m. every week day.
It will be a fun competition to cover and I almost guarantee it rages on well into fall camp.
I confess I am close to Cole. We lived together our last year in Missoula and myself, then my brother continued living with him while Cole was living part time in Missoula and part time in the CFL.
The Gresch Jensen-Dalton Sneed situation is very similar to what Hauck did in an effort to make Bergquist better. After redshirting, Bergquist had success early:
Jensen thriving while walking path less traveled
https://skylinesportsmt.com/jensen-thriving-while-walking-path-less-traveled/
Coming out of that successful redshirt freshman season, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. From ^ story:
Like has been said in this thread already, if Dalton Sneed ends up being better than Gresch Jensen, Montana got itself a good transfer. If Sneed pushes Jensen to become significantly better and Jensen wins the job, that's also really good for the Griz.
With no other experienced quarterback on the roster, it's a smart move to cultivate competition by bringing in a transfer who already has experience with Hauck and and Rosenbach. And if you know anything about Hauck, he will always challenge every one of his players to be the best they possibly can be. More than anything, Hauck wants fierce competition and he wants to see how Jensen will respond to the addition of a talented player who could take his spot.
“We have a great quarterback competition going right now,” Hauck said. “[There are] good, healthy, supportive guys going at it in that room. It’s kind of fun to watch it this first week here. [It’s been good for Sneed] to push Gresch or vice versa, for Gresch to push Dalton.”
“They’re two totally different individuals,” Rosenbach said. “Dalton’s a little more verbal and will say a little bit more, and Gresch is a little bit more reserved. That’s fine. They don’t need to be the same guy. All they need to do is compete, and I think both of them will be ready to play.”
Despite standout freshman year, Jensen has competition this spring
https://skylinesportsmt.com/despite-standout-freshman-year-jensen-has-competition-this-spring/
From what I've seen in practice, the coaches are working hard on Jensen with his footwork. When it comes to the pure throwing of the football, he spins it the better of the two. Sneed seems to have better footwork and more diversity inside and outside the pocket but also seems to have a harder time driving the ball on out routes to the opposite hash.
I've seen both throw a collection of interceptions during team periods and can't honestly recall a touchdown. But I also have not been able to stay for more than the first 1.5 hours of practice because I have my ESPN show at 4 p.m. every week day.
It will be a fun competition to cover and I almost guarantee it rages on well into fall camp.
Good stuff. I agree that we won’t have a started named until late into fall camp.
Again, I hate being the nitpicker for your articles, Colter, but the Griz only got the #3 seed in 2007 because of our laughably weak non-conference schedule (pre-Big Sky Southern Utah, NEC-era Albany, and Fort Lewis). UNI was #1 and McNeese was #2 that year.Colter_Nuanez56 said:
Colter_Nuanez56
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uofmman1122 said:
Good edit, appreciate it. A bummer article ran last season so it's been incorrect in cyber space for more than half a year...at least it's fixed now!
signedbewildered said:
Yeah, lol. I’m Kinda of a train of thought poster with big fingers on a small iPad which results in poor spelling, grammar and punctuation and alto of swearing among other things. Oh and signedbewildered your analysis was, .....well there wasn’t any. Hope that didn’t hurt your feeling. Buy hey that’s ok there are no right answers here only our opinions. Go Griz
Sam A. Blitz
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Merkleman said:
Some of those JUCO programs put out a lot of talent no doubt, but the Griz and most Big Sky teams would DESTROY Western Arizona and many of those lauded JUCO teams. As much raw talent as there is in some JUCO programs, they are made up mostly of 18 and 19 year olds who are still figuring the game out. The learning and development curve from JUCO to D1 and even D2 is pretty steep. That's why it often takes JUCO transfers a year before they become solid contributors, especially at positions like QB, CB, and OL.
Anyways, the stats matter. I don't have a dog in this fight either. I'm rooting for both guys to perform at a high level. Let the best guy win.
Well it appears the majority of have picked Jensen to start and only one poster strongly believes Sneed will be the 1. Maybe we can take it up again after the spring game if there is any interest
Some definitely have, for sure. For many I think it is more of this. We saw what Jensen did last year as a freshman and think he was very good with great potential. At the same time there have been multiple transfer QBs who have come in over the years and been terrible. Don't get me wrong, some have been awesome too. But it has lead to more of a wait and see approach. If Sneed shines in the scrimmage today, I think you'll start to see a few people broaden their view. But they know what Jensen has done, so they are skeptical until they see it for themselves.Dutch Lane said:
You are really the first poster to actually breakdown some pros and flaws in each QBs game, so you are obviously paying attention. I am not sure the depth chart is a real thing at the moment because they rotate all the receivers and RBs through regardless of who is at QB, but Sneed has been with the #1 offense since at least the practice before spring break. I don't think it means as much as we think yet, but they are clearly sending Gresch a message. I don't think he has faced this type of competition before and it is good for both of them. I disagree with some of your analysis of him and his game, and he played safety in high school so the toughness question you alluded to earlier is a bit misguided. It would appear to me you are more familiar with Sneed than Jensen, which is awesome because it provides a perspective many of us don't have.
I have sat in the stands for a few practices and my observation is that they are fairly even right now. Sneed is a better athlete and his wheels are undoubtedly a weapon. Jensen is more than mobile enough to run this offense, he is not a statue he just looks to pass first. He is not the runner Sneed is but there aren't many QBs who are. Sneed has settled in and looked really good. His accuracy is better than I expected and could possibly give him an edge if he keeps that up in full on live scenarios. Jensen looks to be pressing at times, which I think is what the coaches are testing him on, how he responds being pushed in ways he never has before. As Colter has said, Bobby Hauck is a "no stars" coach and there was a lot of love placed on Jensen as a freshman last year. I think Jensen is the better pure passer, but Sneed has looked more than good enough to run a Big Sky passing game. Should be fun to watch this in to the fall.
I will say this, if Sneed beats out Jensen to start game one it can only mean good things for the Griz because we know what Jensen can do and it would mean Sneed is better thus the team will be better.
Thanks for the post, and the eye witness accounts I have been really waiting to here some progress reports, actually was I’m just basing my opinion on the system I am hearing that they will run which seems to favor sneeds talents more then Jensen’s. I don’t think that they are looking for a big arm more of a shorter quick hitting passing game rather then bombing down field which is why Jensen was recruited by stitt. And of course a running threat which probabaly keeps a defense honest and having to account for that thought. He’s in a tough spot, some of it sounds like mind games, but that’s how it works I guess. The more I learn about what they are trying to do the more jacked I am to see graves take over in a few years. That kid is physical. When is the last time anyone ever heard of a quarterback who is also a state wrestling champ. He’s 6-3 and wrestled at 185 but I bet he will put on weight fast now and round out at 215-220. That’s a load for a running qb. But he has a gun also. I really like to see a Montana kid get a shot at qb or rb, but I’m sure everybody else in Montana feels the same way. Lol. Really enjoyed your post and thanks for noting Jensen played defense in high school, didnt know that.
alabamagrizzly
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So did anyone know that Sneed wasn’t even the full time starter at Fort Scott Community College? Shared reps with a Fr. Here’s their stat comparison.
Dalton Snead
8g 4-4(record in all games played)
123/226(54%) 1257yrds 7td 8int
79 ratt 295 ryrds 1 rtd 42 long(x2)
Fort Scott’s other QB
8g 3-5
51/125 639 7/5
83 235 0
Remember how high a lot of us were on Caleb Hill when he committed? Here’s his numbers his Fr and So year.
Caleb Hill(Blinn College TX)
Fr 8g 4-4
53/101(52%) 814yrds 8td 4int
21 ratt -10 ryrds 0 rtd
So 6g 4-2
66/124(53%) 872yrds 5td 0int
19 ratt 50 ryrds 2 rtd
He missed the last three games due to injury but all in all, his numbers are very comparable, if not better, from a tuffer league and we all see how well he played when his number was called.
It’s not just that Gresch is the fan favorite, it’s obvious to most that he’s the better QB. Yes, if Dalton starts, I’d be surprised and the conspiracy theorist in me may even question the decision but if he shows it on the field then I won’t argue but we all already know what Gresch could do as a RSFr and would only expect improvement. I appreciate your desire to argue Dutch but, as you say he ain’t your dog, I still don’t see how you would choose Dalton over Gresch.
Dalton Snead
8g 4-4(record in all games played)
123/226(54%) 1257yrds 7td 8int
79 ratt 295 ryrds 1 rtd 42 long(x2)
Fort Scott’s other QB
8g 3-5
51/125 639 7/5
83 235 0
Remember how high a lot of us were on Caleb Hill when he committed? Here’s his numbers his Fr and So year.
Caleb Hill(Blinn College TX)
Fr 8g 4-4
53/101(52%) 814yrds 8td 4int
21 ratt -10 ryrds 0 rtd
So 6g 4-2
66/124(53%) 872yrds 5td 0int
19 ratt 50 ryrds 2 rtd
He missed the last three games due to injury but all in all, his numbers are very comparable, if not better, from a tuffer league and we all see how well he played when his number was called.
It’s not just that Gresch is the fan favorite, it’s obvious to most that he’s the better QB. Yes, if Dalton starts, I’d be surprised and the conspiracy theorist in me may even question the decision but if he shows it on the field then I won’t argue but we all already know what Gresch could do as a RSFr and would only expect improvement. I appreciate your desire to argue Dutch but, as you say he ain’t your dog, I still don’t see how you would choose Dalton over Gresch.
Diesel said:
I post otherwise to try and keep the thread alive and I’m the only one who picked Sneed as the 1, otherwise we don’t really have a thread so sometimes you have to take one for the team and run the scout team. Lol. I’m not emotionally attach3d to either guy I’m just trying to make what is nothing more then intuition and an educated guess. I just see Sneed starting based on everything I have posted which I tried to back up. Regardless, one guy on here, I thing he is egriz’s resident tortured intellectual, has been flipping me a ration of shit on another thread accusing me of trolling the fan base by picking Sneed and telling me I’m being a pain in the ass and to go piss on the MSU fan base and leave the fragile griz fans alone and then some other really weird commentary about LaGarrette Blount and a MSU asst. coach he once sucker punched. Have know idea what that has to do with anything with Sneed or jensen. Wtf. And of course you make the mistake of reaching out and trying to get him to help you understand his non sequiturs and how they relate to the topic and his response is good I knew you wouldn’t comprehend my post. Ok so help me out, he and of course turns out the lights and and goes radio silence. He is a master of annoyance. I’m relatively new here and don’t know all the fellas and the sole chick (sorry GG) or their particular bents so I really need a score card and a copy of the egriz unwritten rules of posting ettiquite Lol. This place is Kind of like jr high and the mean girl clique ( again sorry GG) a lot of micro aggression for simply throwing out an opinion about two qbs on a football discussion board. I appreciate your insight. Really looking forward to the spring game could validate my opinion of Sneed or Jensen shines and I crash and burn. I don’t really care either way just want some football to talk about. Thank you
mtgrizfankb
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Sneed is the #2 and that's the way it is going to be barring major changes. They both have talent to start but GJ is about a step and a half in front of the #2
Alabama I don’t know what more I can say about why I picked Sneed as the 1. Remember it’s just like my opinion man. I’m wondering how the veterans are handling things and if there is a divided locker room. Anyone want to weigh in on that whether it is even an issue. Really looking forward to seeing these two guys play in the spring game. Oh and I’m working on my egriz social skills, Nice Steinbeck reference,I really don’t want to kill the puppies here on egriz. Thanks for your post and your opinion which I still believe is too emotionally weighted to be accurate.
DL keep being who you are. Some of the posters have been around a long time and are protective. Both you and they will get past the initial phase. My opinions on the players will be posted after seeing them in person.
grzz and AG bring up good points, personally I'm not into removing GJ from staring without Sneed proving to be a big upgrade. GJ put up good numbers with a young WR core last year who had some untimely drops.
Don't want to see a huge drop in play from #1 QB to #2 QB since injuries are a play away.
grzz and AG bring up good points, personally I'm not into removing GJ from staring without Sneed proving to be a big upgrade. GJ put up good numbers with a young WR core last year who had some untimely drops.
Don't want to see a huge drop in play from #1 QB to #2 QB since injuries are a play away.
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