A little roster update

[Spanky2]

Still shouldn't take 5 years.

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The truth is you know nothing about young athletes.

 

[uofmman1122]

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

And if we’re STILL not more talented than those teams, is Bobby the right guy? After 5 years?

Asking for a friend…

That's an absolutely valid question. It sounds like everyone's expectation is for us to be a top 4 team every year.

I'm not sure I think Bobby can do that every year, but I'm probably a little less sure there's someone out there (that would take this job) that could just use what we have right now and do it, either.

CDA makes a good point above. Do we want to have patience and let Bobby be our coach Stig? Or do we make him our Ron Ash or Bo Pelini? It's impossible to say, but if you just absolutely can't stand where we're at right now and have no hope in him, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see if someone else can do it.

But if you're gonna tell me that you know Bobby can't do it, I don't think I can get on board with that.

 

[uofmman1122]

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The truth is you know nothing about young athletes.

It seems you're still mad I called you out for saying our Montana kids don't deserve to be on scholarship and we should kick them off the team. I'm not gonna lose sleep over that criticism, buddy. :thumb:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest fudge ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Why doesn’t UM have a recruiting advantage? Please explain wise one.

Every kid has different things they look for and UM doesn't corner the market on a majority of them. Common sense spanky.

 

[Spanky2]

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The truth is you know nothing about young athletes.

It seems you're still mad I called you out for saying our Montana kids don't deserve to be on scholarship and we should kick them off the team. I'm not gonna lose sleep over that criticism, buddy. :thumb:

 

[Griz#64]

Question: Would the injuries to our starting QB;s the last 2 to 3 years contribute to our Season record??

 

[3-7-77]

Question: Would the injuries to our starting QB;s the last 2 to 3 years contribute to our Season record??

Its the lack of a good backup QB that is the problem. That and a OC that doesn't know the strengths a limitation of that backup.

 

[Triwest]

Question: Would the injuries to our starting QB;s the last 2 to 3 years contribute to our Season record??

QB hurt, play maker receiver injured that required off season surgery and limited what he could contribute in games after the injury, injury to play maker tight end that has required surgery and player may not return. These are just the parts on offense that I know that contributed to lack of offense the last half of the season. The OC did not make adjustments to fit players available.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And if we’re STILL not more talented than those teams, is Bobby the right guy? After 5 years?

Asking for a friend…

That's an absolutely valid question. It sounds like everyone's expectation is for us to be a top 4 team every year.

I'm not sure I think Bobby can do that every year, but I'm probably a little less sure there's someone out there (that would take this job) that could just use what we have right now and do it, either.

CDA makes a good point above. Do we want to have patience and let Bobby be our coach Stig? Or do we make him our Ron Ash or Bo Pelini? It's impossible to say, but if you just absolutely can't stand where we're at right now and have no hope in him, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see if someone else can do it.

But if you're gonna tell me that you know Bobby can't do it, I don't think I can get on board with that.

How large of a body of evidence would you need? Or should we as a fanbase just become comfortable with the Griz winning 60-65% of their games, making the playoffs and being ranked middle of the pack top 25 every year? Is that just our new reality? Because I think Bobby can do THAT--hell, he HAS done that...just not sure he's gonna get us to the promised land.

 

[3-7-77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lBYEEfzyrg

Not to beat a dead horse, but last year was a cluster from the start of the year.

 

[uofmman1122]

That's an absolutely valid question. It sounds like everyone's expectation is for us to be a top 4 team every year.

I'm not sure I think Bobby can do that every year, but I'm probably a little less sure there's someone out there (that would take this job) that could just use what we have right now and do it, either.

CDA makes a good point above. Do we want to have patience and let Bobby be our coach Stig? Or do we make him our Ron Ash or Bo Pelini? It's impossible to say, but if you just absolutely can't stand where we're at right now and have no hope in him, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see if someone else can do it.

But if you're gonna tell me that you know Bobby can't do it, I don't think I can get on board with that.

How large of a body of evidence would you need? Or should we as a fanbase just become comfortable with the Griz winning 60-65% of their games, making the playoffs and being ranked middle of the pack top 25 every year? Is that just our new reality? Because I think Bobby can do THAT--hell, he HAS done that...just not sure he's gonna get us to the promised land.

You're back to doing the thing where you look at last year as if every year was like that. I know it sucked, but last year was more of an anomaly than 2019 or 2021.

If 2023 is more of the same, you have a point, but as of right now it was one down year.

 

[3-7-77]

I don't remember all the F'd up events, but when who will wear the #37, then got dragged out possibly due to the NIL mess until late in the year, finger pointing, dragging out coaching changes, etc. Put all that into a blender, then, finally, start the season. FUBAR! Let's look ahead to the 2023 season. :thumb:

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

That's an absolutely valid question. It sounds like everyone's expectation is for us to be a top 4 team every year.

I'm not sure I think Bobby can do that every year, but I'm probably a little less sure there's someone out there (that would take this job) that could just use what we have right now and do it, either.

CDA makes a good point above. Do we want to have patience and let Bobby be our coach Stig? Or do we make him our Ron Ash or Bo Pelini? It's impossible to say, but if you just absolutely can't stand where we're at right now and have no hope in him, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see if someone else can do it.

But if you're gonna tell me that you know Bobby can't do it, I don't think I can get on board with that.

How large of a body of evidence would you need? Or should we as a fanbase just become comfortable with the Griz winning 60-65% of their games, making the playoffs and being ranked middle of the pack top 25 every year? Is that just our new reality? Because I think Bobby can do THAT--hell, he HAS done that...just not sure he's gonna get us to the promised land.

From my perspective, we showed significant improvement every year until last year. A very steady upward climb.

 

[bgbigdog]

How large of a body of evidence would you need? Or should we as a fanbase just become comfortable with the Griz winning 60-65% of their games, making the playoffs and being ranked middle of the pack top 25 every year? Is that just our new reality? Because I think Bobby can do THAT--hell, he HAS done that...just not sure he's gonna get us to the promised land.

From my perspective, we showed significant improvement every year until last year. A very steady upward climb.

And truth be told, if there wasn't all the hubbub around "best team" last season, not my words, it may have just been another year. Our expectations typically relate to what we are told. When they aren't met, then the grousing begins. I get optimism more so than i let on, but I'd much prefer mundane coach speak, than bluster about things like "best." Crafting and managing expectations is a much more important skill than many let on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How large of a body of evidence would you need? Or should we as a fanbase just become comfortable with the Griz winning 60-65% of their games, making the playoffs and being ranked middle of the pack top 25 every year? Is that just our new reality? Because I think Bobby can do THAT--hell, he HAS done that...just not sure he's gonna get us to the promised land.

You're back to doing the thing where you look at last year as if every year was like that. I know it sucked, but last year was more of an anomaly than 2019 or 2021.

If 2023 is more of the same, you have a point, but as of right now it was one down year.

OK. Let's stipulate that last year was an "Anomaly" (even though he has two 4-4 conference seasons that bookend two 6-2 seasons). Let me reprhase: Are you happy with consistently going 5-3, 6-2 in conference, 3rd place finishes, blowout losses to the Scats, ONE home playoff game and quarterfinal road playoff losses?

Becuase here's MY take: If we as a fanbase DO become "happy" with that as a consistent performance then we HAVE, indeed, become little brother.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

You're back to doing the thing where you look at last year as if every year was like that. I know it sucked, but last year was more of an anomaly than 2019 or 2021.

If 2023 is more of the same, you have a point, but as of right now it was one down year.

OK. Let's stipulate that last year was an "Anomaly" (even though he has two 4-4 conference seasons that bookend two 6-2 seasons). Let me reprhase: Are you happy with consistently going 5-3, 6-2 in conference, 3rd place finishes, blowout losses to the Scats, ONE home playoff game and quarterfinal road playoff losses?

Becuase here's MY take: If we as a fanbase DO become "happy" with that as a consistent performance then we HAVE, indeed, become little brother.

Nah bro, nobody is okay with getting blown out by the Cats and having one home playoff game and a quarterfinal loss. The trajectory was going in the right direction. We were right there with JMU early on a couple of years ago, and they were a great FCS team.

I'm not going to try to pick some argument with you about last year or anything. But what most of us want is the trend line to continue upward. We had a bad year last year and the trend took a step in the wrong direction. Lets see what happens this year.

 

[uofmman1122]

You're back to doing the thing where you look at last year as if every year was like that. I know it sucked, but last year was more of an anomaly than 2019 or 2021.

If 2023 is more of the same, you have a point, but as of right now it was one down year.

OK. Let's stipulate that last year was an "Anomaly" (even though he has two 4-4 conference seasons that bookend two 6-2 seasons). Let me reprhase: Are you happy with consistently going 5-3, 6-2 in conference, 3rd place finishes, blowout losses to the Scats, ONE home playoff game and quarterfinal road playoff losses?

Becuase here's MY take: If we as a fanbase DO become "happy" with that as a consistent performance then we HAVE, indeed, become little brother.

Why would you assume anyone is fine with that?

I think Bobby and this team can do a lot better than they did last year.

If you don't think we can, that's totally cool, but there's nothing in thinking that we can do better that means I'm okay with any of that.

 

[noncasualobserver]

Noncasualobserver, you made two mistakes. TWO. First, you're a scat fan posting on your rivals board. Second, you are making logical, adult level, reasoned observations/arguments to a eGriz audience. Unacceptable. It's in the Rules. :roll:

3-7-77, you may have saved a life today by smashing through cultural boundaries and getting straight to the point on the clear, egregious mistakes (two, TWO!!) I made. You threw caution to the wind and called my ass out like needed to be done. Damnit that took a brass pair!
-Today is the first day of the rest of my life.
-Healing is a journey, not a destination.

What I did on this board was, as you stated, unacceptable. I'll at least refrain from being logical, adult and reasoned. Dog gone it, I'm good at that! I know I can do it!

Thank you. Thank you so much...

 

[3-7-77]

We all learn from our mistakes. I did, as a regular Pollyanna many years ago. Got the scars to prove it. Good luck with your journey, Grasshopper! :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

OK. Let's stipulate that last year was an "Anomaly" (even though he has two 4-4 conference seasons that bookend two 6-2 seasons). Let me reprhase: Are you happy with consistently going 5-3, 6-2 in conference, 3rd place finishes, blowout losses to the Scats, ONE home playoff game and quarterfinal road playoff losses?

Becuase here's MY take: If we as a fanbase DO become "happy" with that as a consistent performance then we HAVE, indeed, become little brother.

Why would you assume anyone is fine with that?

I think Bobby and this team can do a lot better than they did last year.

If you don't think we can, that's totally cool, but there's nothing in thinking that we can do better that means I'm okay with any of that.

If you think last year was an "anomaly", that presumes that you were ok with the year before. A lot of things didn't go Bobby's way last year, but you know what they say about excuses... :| :| :|