A little roster update

[AZGrizFan]

Agree with Uncle on this one. Mick was the correct and best hire at the time.
Stitt was a mistake, although after his first win I too jumped on his band wagon. Jumped off at a latewr date.

Like after the next two losses after that game?

I jumped off after the UNC debacle.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

When the 'program' got completely taken off the rails for six fu*king years, by Delaney and Stitt, BH had to start from scratch. I'm as disappointed as anyone that he hasn't delivered as promised, but any automobile bodyman can tell you the totalled Cadillac will take some time and work to restore it to its former glory. Patience, Grasshopper!
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Lame fudge excuse. The Idaho coach got it done in one year. With the way the portal works now, it shouldn’t take 5 years to finish 6th.

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest clusterfuck ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Lame fudge excuse. The Idaho coach got it done in one year. With the way the portal works now, it shouldn’t take 5 years to finish 6th.

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest clusterfuck ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest clusterfuck ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

I get what you are saying, but that isn't really the case. If the team has been left in bad shape, kids don't want to come to the program as badly. Those situations don't get the best of the best in the portal, and as an FCS team we are already having to sell ourselves to a lot of guys in the portal.

Lets see how Colorado does, as it has been by far the heaviest user in the history of the portal to create program turnaround.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest fudge ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

You can expect what you want, but expectations have no influence on reality.

 

[bgbigdog]

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

I get what you are saying, but that isn't really the case. If the team has been left in bad shape, kids don't want to come to the program as badly. Those situations don't get the best of the best in the portal, and as an FCS team we are already having to sell ourselves to a lot of guys in the portal.

Lets see how Colorado does, as it has been by far the heaviest user in the history of the portal to create program turnaround.

The reality is they didn't fix their program by simply adding portal kids. The QB was a Petrino recruit, as was the best wide out in the big sky, Hatten. The only thing Petrino seemed to be able to do was recruit. So Eck didn't inherit a bare cupboard, which was essential because even the best coaches don't do well without players. He's a good coach, but there was a player foundation in place on which he is building on with his own guys.

 

[uofmman1122]

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest clusterfuck ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

I don't think the turnarounds at Sac, Idaho, Weber, etc. had much to do with portal turnover. IMO these were all cases where the talent on the team was being misused by the previous coaching staffs. Picture the 49ers in 2010 before Harbaugh showed up. A lot of those same kids were on the roster for Sac St. in 2018 before Taylor showed up in 2019. Same with Idaho the last two years.

I think what HHB is getting at (that many Griz fans don't want to admit) is that those teams were always more talented than we were before, but finally got coaches that could use that talent. Hopefully our staff has done enough this year finding talent to rise above them.

 

[3-7-77]

You can expect what you want, but expectations have no influence on reality.

I expect a Griz NC EVERY YEAR!

Hmm....guess I made your point for you....

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

You can expect what you want, but expectations have no influence on reality.

Boy howdy. Wonder if Bobby's meeting HIS expectations? :| :| :|

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well your first statement is objectively unprovable so difficult to assess (other than yes, their coaching staff led by Petrino was an absolute CF). And my point about the portal is that if teams can “fix” the problems the previous staffs left them through the portal, shouldn’t we expect more than a 6th place finish after 5 years of “rebuilding”?

I don't think the turnarounds at Sac, Idaho, Weber, etc. had much to do with portal turnover. IMO these were all cases where the talent on the team was being misused by the previous coaching staffs. Picture the 49ers in 2010 before Harbaugh showed up. A lot of those same kids were on the roster for Sac St. in 2018 before Taylor showed up in 2019. Same with Idaho the last two years.

I think what HHB is getting at (that many Griz fans don't want to admit) is that those teams were always more talented than we were before, but finally got coaches that could use that talent. Hopefully our staff has done enough this year finding talent to rise above them.

Still shouldn't take 5 years.

 

[uofmman1122]

I don't think the turnarounds at Sac, Idaho, Weber, etc. had much to do with portal turnover. IMO these were all cases where the talent on the team was being misused by the previous coaching staffs. Picture the 49ers in 2010 before Harbaugh showed up. A lot of those same kids were on the roster for Sac St. in 2018 before Taylor showed up in 2019. Same with Idaho the last two years.

I think what HHB is getting at (that many Griz fans don't want to admit) is that those teams were always more talented than we were before, but finally got coaches that could use that talent. Hopefully our staff has done enough this year finding talent to rise above them.

Still shouldn't take 5 years.

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

You can expect what you want, but expectations have no influence on reality.

Boy howdy. Wonder if Bobby's meeting HIS expectations? :| :| :|

Last year, no it did not meet his expectations. He was open about that.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

You can expect what you want, but expectations have no influence on reality.

Boy howdy. Wonder if Bobby's meeting HIS expectations? :| :| :|

Guessing this is not unique to Bobby.

 

[bgbigdog]

Still shouldn't take 5 years.

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

Rosey's first seasons at the helm of the offense were great, given what he had to work with at times, particularly up front. He innovated the hell out of things on a game-by-game basis. And while it didn't always hit, it was never boring. Contrast that to last year, which felt like a slog much of the time, for various reasons. QB is the most important position and Vidlak should be a huge upgrade, if the o-line can finally pull it all together, then it falls to Pease to put them in position to get the ball to the right spot. The skill positions need to have a huge year. The defense can't play a game more than the offense this season.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Boy howdy. Wonder if Bobby's meeting HIS expectations? :| :| :|

Guessing this is not unique to Bobby.

Soooo, no?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Still shouldn't take 5 years.

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

And if we’re STILL not more talented than those teams, is Bobby the right guy? After 5 years?

Asking for a friend…

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If we still aren't more talented than those teams, then it's not a matter of time taken.

I personally don't think our team, especially on offense, was as talented the last 2 seasons as we were in 2019 (although I'd argue there was more talent on defense). My biggest hope is that Vidlak/McDowell can become good enough to overcome that, because the QB is the only position that lifts all the other boats.

And if we’re STILL not more talented than those teams, is Bobby the right guy? After 5 years?

Asking for a friend…

I’ve said it before in different ways, but one has to wonder who we could get to Coach FCS FB in Montana who would be better and want to stay more than a few years. I get that people have their opinions on Bobby because I have mine, too. I’m not a hater or a defender. But many who have longed for stability at HC don’t appear to also acknowledge that we are probably viewed as a stepping stone program for most good candidates. Come in, win, and leave for more money. Sh*t, Choach left MSU to become an assistant LB coach at the next level because that seemed like a better path for his career. That’s what coaches do now.

I think BH gives us stability. But I’m not sure if a revolving door strategy would work better. Tough call, honestly.

 

[Spanky2]

Lame fudge excuse. The Idaho coach got it done in one year. With the way the portal works now, it shouldn’t take 5 years to finish 6th.

I would argue that Idaho always had great athletes, even better than UM over that time, but the coaching was the biggest fudge ever. As for the portal, what makes you think UM isn't getting the most they can from it? Griz fans want to believe that UM has a recruiting advantage over most FCS schools, and that frankly just isn't the case.

Why doesn’t UM have a recruiting advantage? Please explain wise one.

 

[noncasualobserver]

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I’ve said it before in different ways, but one has to wonder who we could get to Coach FCS FB in Montana who would be better and want to stay more than a few years. I get that people have their opinions on Bobby because I have mine, too. I’m not a hater or a defender. But many who have longed for stability at HC don’t appear to also acknowledge that we are probably viewed as a stepping stone program for most good candidates. Come in, win, and leave for more money. Sh*t, Choach left MSU to become an assistant LB coach at the next level because that seemed like a better path for his career. That’s what coaches do now.

I think BH gives us stability. But I’m not sure if a revolving door strategy would work better. Tough call, honestly.
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That's what Bobby did, come in, win and leave for more money. Who could blame him, especially after (may have my timing wrong) The Book drama and his w/l record? He earned it. Having him come back after a few years making big bank almost guarantees long term stability and a very strong team every year.

Highly doubtful any other coach would do as well and, as you state, if they did he would likely move on for greener pastures afterwards, just like us Cat fans expect Vigen to do if he keeps doing well. If.....

The minor drama Bobby brings with how he coached his son, works 'with' the press, appears in a few post-game pressers makes it a funner rivalry. He would have to blow it for several years in a row to have a serious conversation about replacing him. For the foreseeable future he brings stability and a winning record,

 

[3-7-77]

Noncasualobserver, you made two mistakes. TWO. First, you're a scat fan posting on your rivals board. Second, you are making logical, adult level, reasoned observations/arguments to a eGriz audience. Unacceptable. It's in the Rules. :roll: