A little roster update

[ElrodGrizzly]

Absolutely agreed. I can't understand how so many people here vehemently deny that our trajectory was massively upward compared to the two previous regimes. Nobody thought last year was perfect. Hauck himself said he didn't meet his own expectations. This isn't a secret. Nobody is sugar coating that last year was a down year. And that down year was still better than things had been before Bobby 2.0.

If the trend line continues down, of course there will be a lot more frustration. But lets not throw the baby out with bathwater.

What is the result of a head coach whose team continues to fail to meet his own expectations???..He becomes a former head coach

Yea, that is why I have constantly point out to you that what is important is the trend line. And it has been very much consistently up year over year since his return, until one anomaly year last year.

 

[mthoopsfan]

What is the result of a head coach whose team continues to fail to meet his own expectations???..He becomes a former head coach

Yea, that is why I have constantly point out to you that what is important is the trend line. And it has been very much consistently up year over year since his return, until one anomaly year last year.

Turd and Long just makes up his "facts". He's a total idiot.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

You're once again coming to a conclusion no one is making.

10-win seasons when you haven't won more than 7 games in several years is pretty damn good. Everyone on here wants us to go 15-0. You can say that those seasons were good while still hoping we can do better than that. No one wants us to limit ourselves to 10 wins.

Why is this so hard for you?

Well I just figured that was the game HHB was playing. Coming to conclusions no one is making. It’s fun. Try it.

it amazes me how many people think that 10-win seasons should be the new standard.

So is 10 wins good or bad?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Yea, that is why I have constantly point out to you that what is important is the trend line. And it has been very much consistently up year over year since his return, until one anomaly year last year.

Turd and Long just makes up his "facts". He's a total idiot.

I have just never seen someone be so willfully and aggressively ignorant. I'll quit responding to him. I know I'm supposed to take the high road, and stuff. But, my god....

 

[SoldierGriz]

Well I just figured that was the game HHB was playing. Coming to conclusions no one is making. It’s fun. Try it.

it amazes me how many people think that 10-win seasons should be the new standard.

So is 10 wins good or bad?

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

So is 10 wins good or bad?

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

You are more than welcome to your opinion, and you certainly don't have to agree with mine. But in all of FCS history, there has only been one program that consistently makes the final 4 every year over a decade. My only point to you would be that we cannot re-write history and pretend we EVER did that, so to call it the standard is just not realistic. Read didn't do it. Dennehy didn't do it. Glenn almost did it, but he was only here 3 years. Bobby 1.0 didn't do it. There has never been a Griz coach getting their team to the semi-finals every year, and being considered a failure if they didn't.

As I said, you are more than welcome to your opinion. I truly hope we reach that point. I just don't think we can start setting a standard that has never before been the standard, and telling ourselves we are failing if we don't hit it.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So is 10 wins good or bad?

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

So a follow up question, how attractive do you think the head coaching gig at Montana would be for perspective coaches if winning 10 games consistently isn't enough for you to keep the job?

 

[Copper Griz]

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

So a follow up question, how attractive do you think the head coaching gig at Montana would be for perspective coaches if winning 10 games consistently isn't enough for you to keep the job?

Pretty damn attractive. Like smoking hot attractive. Unbelievable facilities for the FCS. Great history, fan support and booster support. More importantly, it is a head coaching job and one that could position someone for a far greater compensation package with an FBS program. If 10 wins scares a head coach given the conference and national picture for FCS - then they aren’t the right person for the job. Any good candidate has an ego and 10 wins isn’t going to scare them. They may not love it, but it sure as hell wouldn’t keep a solid candidate from applying. I doubt Andy Thompson would have an issue with those expectations. He is an example of the type of candidate who would potentially apply.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So a follow up question, how attractive do you think the head coaching gig at Montana would be for perspective coaches if winning 10 games consistently isn't enough for you to keep the job?

Pretty damn attractive. Like smoking hot attractive. Unbelievable facilities for the FCS. Great history, fan support and booster support. More importantly, it is a head coaching job and one that could position someone for a far greater compensation package with an FBS program. If 10 wins scares a head coach given the conference and national picture for FCS - then they aren’t the right person for the job. Any good candidate has an ego and 10 wins isn’t going to scare them. They may not love it, but it sure as hell wouldn’t keep a solid candidate from applying. I doubt Andy Thompson would have an issue with those expectations. He is an example of the type of candidate who would potentially apply.

But the bar set by Soldier is that 10 wins isn't good enough, so why would 10 wins scare a head coach, his floor would be higher than that.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Pretty damn attractive. Like smoking hot attractive. Unbelievable facilities for the FCS. Great history, fan support and booster support. More importantly, it is a head coaching job and one that could position someone for a far greater compensation package with an FBS program. If 10 wins scares a head coach given the conference and national picture for FCS - then they aren’t the right person for the job. Any good candidate has an ego and 10 wins isn’t going to scare them. They may not love it, but it sure as hell wouldn’t keep a solid candidate from applying. I doubt Andy Thompson would have an issue with those expectations. He is an example of the type of candidate who would potentially apply.

But the bar set by Soldier is that 10 wins isn't good enough, so why would 10 wins scare a head coach, his floor would be higher than that.

Yes, they are setting the bar that ten wins and a quarterfinals appearance is a complete failure worthy of firing.

And while Soldier is right that there is a large reward to taking the job if you succeed, there is also a large risk. Stitt couldn't find a coaching job, and is now in sales. If you fail to meet FCS expectations, where do you go? Back to DII? Lower tier job in the FCS? There is a huge risk that comes with the reward, and coaches will calculate that.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

After a regular season 7-4, wouldn't 10 wins last season have put us in the NC game, or is my math wrong?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

After a regular season 7-4, wouldn't 10 wins last season have put us in the NC game, or is my math wrong?

You are correct, according to my math. Which is, to put it kindly, not my best subject.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

After a regular season 7-4, wouldn't 10 wins last season have put us in the NC game, or is my math wrong?

But they also have BSC championships included as criteria, which isn't very plausible with only 7 wins season wins.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Here's a fascinating article which looks at teams who fired coaches and what the eventual result was, versus teams who stuck it out through the down periods. The long term results were a little surprising. Not sure there's a perfect formula here, but I thought it was quite interesting.

https://chadqbrown.medium.com/does-firing-your-football-coach-lead-to-success-we-dont-think-so-916292fcfea2

 

[uofmman1122]

Here's a fascinating article which looks at teams who fired coaches and what the eventual result was, versus teams who stuck it out through the down periods. The long term results were a little surprising. Not sure there's a perfect formula here, but I thought it was quite interesting.

https://chadqbrown.medium.com/does-firing-your-football-coach-lead-to-success-we-dont-think-so-916292fcfea2

This is a really fascinating article with a lot of good points, but this to me stands out as a pretty glaring omission when we're talking about how this might affect our program, specifically.

Now I'm even more interested to see what the omitted data looks like. Do we look more like those teams right now that have continued successful coaching changes, or the ones from the study where success didn't translate? What kind of programs continue success after their coach voluntarily moves on vs. which programs don't?

All that said, I do agree with the article's premise that the chance of a guy coming in and doing better than Bobby's teams have been doing after we canned him is less likely than some people want to believe.

 

[SoldierGriz]

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

So a follow up question, how attractive do you think the head coaching gig at Montana would be for perspective coaches if winning 10 games consistently isn't enough for you to keep the job?

10 wins at Montana will not get an outstanding, hungry coach an FBS job. Regular trips to the Semis or natty will do so...

That's the kind of coach it will attract...

 

[SoldierGriz]

After a regular season 7-4, wouldn't 10 wins last season have put us in the NC game, or is my math wrong?

But they also have BSC championships included as criteria, which isn't very plausible with only 7 wins season wins.

I don't. But, I know for a fact the players and program covet BSC championships. Rings and bling...posters, t-shirts and recruiting pitches. It's a published goal of the program.

Winning the conference is unnecessary to get to the natty. Getting in and advancing through that bracket is of singular importance IMO.

 

[SoldierGriz]

But the bar set by Soldier is that 10 wins isn't good enough, so why would 10 wins scare a head coach, his floor would be higher than that.

Yes, they are setting the bar that ten wins and a quarterfinals appearance is a complete failure worthy of firing.

And while Soldier is right that there is a large reward to taking the job if you succeed, there is also a large risk. Stitt couldn't find a coaching job, and is now in sales. If you fail to meet FCS expectations, where do you go? Back to DII? Lower tier job in the FCS? There is a huge risk that comes with the reward, and coaches will calculate that.

How did the Griz attract a string of successful coaches during the glory days - how ever did they do it?

See my previous post - need dudes who want to echelon up...

 

[SoldierGriz]

It's bad. Any season that doesn't have the Griz in the final 4 - playing in prime time for a chance at the natty is bad. That's the standard for a program with resources that are the envy of just about every other FCS program. 10 wins is irrelevant if they don't add up to national semis...or beyond.

Just my opinion - does not have to be anyone else's.

You are more than welcome to your opinion, and you certainly don't have to agree with mine. But in all of FCS history, there has only been one program that consistently makes the final 4 every year over a decade. My only point to you would be that we cannot re-write history and pretend we EVER did that, so to call it the standard is just not realistic. Read didn't do it. Dennehy didn't do it. Glenn almost did it, but he was only here 3 years. Bobby 1.0 didn't do it. There has never been a Griz coach getting their team to the semi-finals every year, and being considered a failure if they didn't.

As I said, you are more than welcome to your opinion. I truly hope we reach that point. I just don't think we can start setting a standard that has never before been the standard, and telling ourselves we are failing if we don't hit it.

This is what irks some or many on here - the expectations of this fan base used to be sooooo much higher. Now - many settle for getting some wins and quickly exiting the bracket.

Mine has remained consistent...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So a follow up question, how attractive do you think the head coaching gig at Montana would be for perspective coaches if winning 10 games consistently isn't enough for you to keep the job?

10 wins at Montana will not get an outstanding, hungry coach an FBS job. Regular trips to the Semis or natty will do so...

That's the kind of coach it will attract...

I would argue that being a FBS coordinator would be a better path for an outstanding, hungry coach. So not sure that is the kind of coach it would attract...