3 Griz Arrested

[NativeGriz]

Stop. Just stop. Excuse making. Enabling, whatever the hell you want to call it. The program now needs to be at zero tolerance. Period.

I agree with the zero tolerance stance at this point, but your "stop just stop" part made it sound like you were having a break down, like "I cant take it anymore." I don't deal well with that kind of emotion. I just want to hear facts so I can make my own opinions. I appreciate when PR gives us facts so it helps me better develop my own opinion. But bottom line, it would be zero tolerance.

 

[mcg]

Well, 1) they didn't hurt anybody, 2) they didn't damage anything, 3) they didn't steal anything. They didn't even "break and enter," they just climbed up a ladder that happened to be there, into an unfinished building project. Sounds like they were waiting for their ride -- no DUI's -- and thought they'd take a look.

As the homeowner noted, they probably didn't realize that the renovation project was not freestanding, but attached to an occupied house.

At the worst, this is misdemeanor trespass, on Halloween. When I was a judge, this would have been a 6 month deferred imposition of sentence, and then dismissed. Not to downplay the fact that Griz players have to meet a higher standard, and this was just unbelievably stupid, but there just doesn't appear to have been a criminal purpose here.

From the Kaimin article, I doubt that the homeowner will want to press charges, and in that case there would be no prosecution, but in this case the decision becomes a political one as to whether to charge them or not, because of who they are.

The issue isn't so much what they did (particularly if it is as the Kaimen indicates a pretty minor infraction) as the simple fact that this minor infraction really puts their coach and AD in a bad bad place. The last thing Mr. Haslam and Mr. Stitt need to deal with is nonsense like this. In my mind their need to be some sort of consequences, but I also believe that summarily throwing them off the team is not right. Growing up in my family (family analogies seem to be popular in this thread) had I done this my Dad would have made sure I understand just how stupid my behavior was, but I'd still be in the family. I think a pretty high number of early morning trips to the M, apologies to team, coaches, fans and the family and a game or two on the sidelines would be adequate.

Question for the lawyers, were these folks entitled to counsel and the bail hearing? It seems to be $50,000 bond is pretty high for this sort of offense.

 

[getgrizzy]

The main fact is that they're lucky one or more didn't get shot and possibly killed.

Another fact is they scared the holy living crap out of that family.

Yet another is the heads of the household were, despite the fear, able to remain calm enough to call the cops and not take matters into their own hands.

These guys should be entirely grateful for how this family reacted. They should also be happy to just be banned from the team for the obvious trauma they caused this, what I now consider, great family. They're the heroes and victims in all this.

 

[go96griz]

It was absolutely stupid and something three seniors should have known better not to do, however, you have got to be kidding me if you think felony burglary charges are warranted. This is a complete overreach where misdemeanor trespassing will be the likely end result and that is if the homeowner chooses to press charges. I am pissed at the players, but I am way more pissed at the charging officer for trying to take this completely over the top. I can't speak for the other two players for sure, but I do know that Kendrick is an excellent young man. No excuses, this deserves punishment but it shouldn't end the remainder of their season. Totally and completely blown out of proportion!!

 

[blackfoot griz]

When the JJ story first came out, my initial reaction was to hang him. I as wrong.
Still going to let this play out before jumping to any conclusions one way or the other. My 2 cents worth.

 

[statler & waldorf]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

 

[getgrizzy]

It was absolutely stupid and something three seniors should have known better not to do, however, you have got to be kidding me if you think felony burglary charges are warranted. This is a complete overreach where misdemeanor trespassing will be the likely end result and that is if the homeowner chooses to press charges. I am pissed at the players, but I am way more pissed at the charging officer for trying to take this completely over the top. I can't speak for the other two players for sure, but I do know that Kendrick is an excellent young man. No excuses, this deserves punishment but it shouldn't end the remainder of their season. Totally and completely blown out of proportion!!

It should absolutely end their season. This family was completely mortified. The least they should get is banned from the team. We cannot, as a school, allow this kind of activity without handing out a strong penalty to deter it. That family did nothing to deserve going through the mental trauma they suffered. It's inexcusable.

 

[getgrizzy]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

I hope everyone realizes that bail money is reimbursed when you show up at court.

 

[timjayko]

Maybe they just aspired to be like Bilbo and Frodo Baggins
The best burglers in the land, sneaky sneaky !

 

[NativeGriz]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

They certainly lowered the charges a bunch on Kemp and TJ, from resisting arrest to disorderly conduct, but only after video evidence came out showing the police were out of line. I don't think you get overnight jail time with disorderly conduct (I am guessing), thus there would not have been all the other things that caused UM to be on probation. Missoula police haven't done much to help UM and the community in this respect.

 

[go96griz]

It was absolutely stupid and something three seniors should have known better not to do, however, you have got to be kidding me if you think felony burglary charges are warranted. This is a complete overreach where misdemeanor trespassing will be the likely end result and that is if the homeowner chooses to press charges. I am pissed at the players, but I am way more pissed at the charging officer for trying to take this completely over the top. I can't speak for the other two players for sure, but I do know that Kendrick is an excellent young man. No excuses, this deserves punishment but it shouldn't end the remainder of their season. Totally and completely blown out of proportion!!

It should absolutely end their season. This family was completely mortified. The least they should get is banned from the team. We cannot, as a school, allow this kind of activity without handing out a strong penalty to deter it. That family did nothing to deserve going through the mental trauma they suffered. It's inexcusable.

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived. Again, it was extremely stupid to climb into the renovation. However, that doesn't mean they had any bad intent. Since there was no damage or nothing taken it appears they were doing nothing more than satisfying their curiosity, albeit a stupid move. I would really hate for something stupid like that to be blown way out of proportion, but it already has!

 

[Tod]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

I hope everyone realizes that bail money is reimbursed when you show up at court.

Not if you use a bondsman.

 

[Griz2k]

I did lots of stupid things when I was younger, but with such actions comes consequences. On the surface, it's obviously not the crime of the century, but I don't buy for one second that they were simply trying to get out of the rain. That being said, with the limited amount of information we have, here would be my thoughts. 1. Charges reduced to misdemeanors and make them do community service 2. They should have to stand in front of that family and apologize to their faces. 3. They should be suspended for the remaining 3 games.

 

[bigkid]

Is it 3:00 pm yet?

 

[statler & waldorf]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

I hope everyone realizes that bail money is reimbursed when you show up at court.

Not if you use a bondsman.

Correct. As I know it, a bondsman charges 10% for posting the bond. $5,000 is their fee, no refund. Thats how they make their money. Of course, I'd just pull $50,000 from my wallet and walk the hell out. You got $50,000 stashed somewhere on you, grizzy? :roll:

 

[getgrizzy]

It was absolutely stupid and something three seniors should have known better not to do, however, you have got to be kidding me if you think felony burglary charges are warranted. This is a complete overreach where misdemeanor trespassing will be the likely end result and that is if the homeowner chooses to press charges. I am pissed at the players, but I am way more pissed at the charging officer for trying to take this completely over the top. I can't speak for the other two players for sure, but I do know that Kendrick is an excellent young man. No excuses, this deserves punishment but it shouldn't end the remainder of their season. Totally and completely blown out of proportion!!

It should absolutely end their season. This family was completely mortified. The least they should get is banned from the team. We cannot, as a school, allow this kind of activity without handing out a strong penalty to deter it. That family did nothing to deserve going through the mental trauma they suffered. It's inexcusable.

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived. Again, it was extremely stupid to climb into the renovation. However, that doesn't mean they had any bad intent. Since there was no damage or nothing taken it appears they were doing nothing more than satisfying their curiosity, albeit a stupid move. I would really hate for something stupid like that to be blown way out of proportion, but it already has!

No damage done? I'm pretty sure the family's trust has been damaged. If three upstanding college football players will risk what's left of their careers, not to mention going to jail, what are they to think of the rest of the populace? In that regard it doesn't matter what their intent was.

 

[ilovethecats]

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived.

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

i told 75 this too...you guys could all be exactly right with your guessing. but it's funny to listen to fans reaching their own conclusions, rewording articles to fit their agendas, downplaying any issue for the sake of dismissing any possibility these guys did something wrong.

as a father of three young kids myself, these guys are lucky these charges are the worst thing that happened.

 

[Spanky]

ilovethecats....I hope you never have a problem with your children, but be careful not to judge this situation before all of the facts are known. Students do stupid things....I know as I did them myself in college, yes, at UM.

 

[tnt]

Does the Missoula PD/Prosecutor'sOffice routinely overcharge, or just use that on UM athletes? Seems I recall UM athletes raked over the coals, Missoulian drumming the cases, only to have the charges dismissed or greatly reduced. Seems very skewed to me. Bail of $50,000 totally unwarranted. Christ, Kaarma walked for $30,000.

The problem is they got busted on a Saturday night no judge, no prosecutor, no charges (yet) had they waited until the charges are filed (this afternoon most likely) and the judge sets bail, it would have been for a lot less than 50K (most likely) The cops have no discretion in the charging. Until after the initial appearance this afternoon there is nothing to talk about. Someone is out 5000 for each kid. Money better spent on a lawyer or second semester tuition...............

As difficult as it might have been, they would have been better off sitting until this afternoon.

 

[Griz!ron]

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived.

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

i told 75 this too...you guys could all be exactly right with your guessing. but it's funny to listen to fans reaching their own conclusions, rewording articles to fit their agendas, downplaying any issue for the sake of dismissing any possibility these guys did something wrong.

as a father of three young kids myself, these guys are lucky these charges are the worst thing that happened.

Yep, the home owner could have shot the home invaders and been justified in defending his family. If someone breaks into my house a 3am I'm not to going to be as reasonable this homeowner appears to be.