3 Griz Arrested

[UMGriz75]

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived.

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

I had read this as well. Not sure if there are two articles "out there" or what, but I did read that quote.

 

[griz71]

While this won't turn out to be the earth-shattering crime of the century that many Griz haters were hoping for, here's what I don't get, and I will never let booze be the excuse, these are three guys who essentially, in their own way, had second-chances at Montana.

1. KVA, Montana became the place for him to shine, to be a star, and was most likley going to get a shot at the NFL. He was never going to get any of that at Hawaii. And what is sad about his part in this is, he was a leader of this current team, he did and said everything right, and is highly respected. He is was getting a degree, with outstanding grades from what I've been told too. Why? Why would he of all players on the team, even let himself get into a situation like this?

2. Schmaing, Went through hell and back with family illnesses, and was praised over and over for how much he went through to support his family and take care of them, including almost losing his football dreams. Having said that, UM and the football program bent over backwards to help him, to help him find his way back to the program, and the program never gave up on him. Why? Why would he allow himself to get into a situation, no matter how minor it may turn out to be, that would trash all of that?

3. Counts, Joey has been the poster child for never giving up on his dream of playing college football. First, just becoming eligible, then, rehabbing all of those injuries, over and over again. Why in god's name would you even bother to go through what he's gone through, and then blow it all on something like this?

I'm sure these are questions that I'll never get answers too, and these three guys might not even know the answers to the question. But, after thinking about it most of the day, I'm inclined to agree with a poster much earlier in the thread who said, at the very least, it's obvious these guys gave up on the season and their teammates. And that's fine if true. Selfishness isn't exclusive to these three guys. But, what's more troubling to me is, how easily they obviously gave up on themselves and their families too.

Excellent summary hav. :thumb:

 

[go96griz]

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived.

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

I had read this as well. Not sure if there are two articles "out there" or what, but I did read that quote.

Here is what is in the Kaimin article as of now:

"The homeowner, who wished to stay anonymous, said a few rooms on the first and second floor aren’t connected to the main house where he and his family live."

I do believe this may have been edited from what I read last night because it was a very clear statement then.

 

[MsMaroon]

According to Jackie Coffin, ABC/Fox, the five won't appear in Missoula justice court until tomorrow.

 

[ilovethecats]

ilovethecats....I hope you never have a problem with your children, but be careful not to judge this situation before all of the facts are known. Students do stupid things....I know as I did them myself in college, yes, at UM.

spanky, as i always am i have been very careful not to judge these guys too early. except for the fact that we all agree they were idiots at that particular time. but as far as what charges are filed, if they are enough or too harsh, if these guys had ill intent, etc....you'll notice i haven't commented on.

usually when our players (both schools) do something stupid i have noticed something that i think is a sign of a bigger problem. we all hate the trolls that run to the other board, facebook, comments section of the paper for no reason other than to start a firestorm. everyone is guilty, what they did was atrocious, inexcusable, etc. these guys are the worst and can cause problems if their agenda gains traction.

however, i am of the belief that those on the other side can be just as dangerous. i just can't believe that so many here know all of the facts so soon, yet they are very quick to dismiss this as nothing. kids being kids, harmless fun, being overcharged, etc. this is the line of thinking that i think has been harmful to both our schools in the past. there is NO WAY these guys did anything other than just making a stupid decision because they are (insert your team here)

i told um75 last night i felt like he was dismissing any possibilities these kids did anything to warrant these charges. he responded that he's not dismissing possibilities but instead offering other possibilities. and that is all well and good but anyone could do that with the limited facts we have. what if i offered the possibility that these guys picked that spot they thought was vacant and the girl they wanted to meet them for a gang bang or a raping?! sure this is extreme but hey...it's a possibility. and in my opinion it would be irresponsible of me to throw that out there for no other reason then to stir the pot.

i guess i'd prefer that people on BOTH sides of the line wait for the facts to come out. those claiming these guys definitely committed a felony and should be severely punished are just as bad as those claiming this was nothing more than kids stumbling on an empty renovation with no ill intent. maybe we all wait for the facts to come out and not make crazy claims as if we were standing side by side with these guys that night.

:idea:

 

[go96griz]

It was absolutely stupid and something three seniors should have known better not to do, however, you have got to be kidding me if you think felony burglary charges are warranted. This is a complete overreach where misdemeanor trespassing will be the likely end result and that is if the homeowner chooses to press charges. I am pissed at the players, but I am way more pissed at the charging officer for trying to take this completely over the top. I can't speak for the other two players for sure, but I do know that Kendrick is an excellent young man. No excuses, this deserves punishment but it shouldn't end the remainder of their season. Totally and completely blown out of proportion!!

It should absolutely end their season. This family was completely mortified. The least they should get is banned from the team. We cannot, as a school, allow this kind of activity without handing out a strong penalty to deter it. That family did nothing to deserve going through the mental trauma they suffered. It's inexcusable.

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived. Again, it was extremely stupid to climb into the renovation. However, that doesn't mean they had any bad intent. Since there was no damage or nothing taken it appears they were doing nothing more than satisfying their curiosity, albeit a stupid move. I would really hate for something stupid like that to be blown way out of proportion, but it already has!

No damage done? I'm pretty sure the family's trust has been damaged. If three upstanding college football players will risk what's left of their careers, not to mention going to jail, what are they to think of the rest of the populace? In that regard it doesn't matter what their intent was.

I'm saying there pretty clearly was no intent to do any damage to property or individuals.

 

[PlayerRep]

The owner said himself that he didn't think they realized the area being renovated was attached to an area where people lived.

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

i told 75 this too...you guys could all be exactly right with your guessing. but it's funny to listen to fans reaching their own conclusions, rewording articles to fit their agendas, downplaying any issue for the sake of dismissing any possibility these guys did something wrong.

as a father of three young kids myself, these guys are lucky these charges are the worst thing that happened.

Yep, the home owner could have shot the home invaders and been justified in defending his family. If someone breaks into my house a 3am I'm not to going to be as reasonable this homeowner appears to be.

This statement probably isn't accurate (in that homeowner would have been justified to shoot) based on what is known from the Kaimin article. It sounds like the renovation is attached to the house, but not yet part of the house. If there was a workable door, and there may not have been, it was probably locked. There's a standard in MT of being threatened by bodily harm before you're justified to shoot. Some similarities to the Karma case. Kid was out of house in garage. Wasn't carrying a gun or club. Homeowners could see him. Now if the players were trying to get into the occupied part of the house, then the justification starts to come into play.

 

[ilovethecats]

no he didn't. unless he told you that but that is not what the article says...

I had read this as well. Not sure if there are two articles "out there" or what, but I did read that quote.

Here is what is in the Kaimin article as of now:

"The homeowner, who wished to stay anonymous, said a few rooms on the first and second floor aren’t connected to the main house where he and his family live."

I do believe this may have been edited from what I read last night because it was a very clear statement then.

that is exactly how it was written yesterday afternoon as i bookmarked it. it's a small thing and one i don't care about one way or another but it seems to back up my belief that we tend to come up with our own conclusions despite what the facts are or what articles are written.

 

[grizindabox]

Other than the homeowner statement about hearing the intruders saying the should steal something....I don't see any reason for the initial burglary charge.....


Is this maroon enough for this thread.... :roll:

 

[grizd]

JT Barrett at Ohio State lost his scholarship and has to earn it back. While this may or may not be a big deal, Stitt needs to send a statement for the future of the program. Sad situation, understand kids make mistakes, but learning from mistakes involves tough love often.

 

[blackfoot griz]

Good thing it was not Karma's place! The headlines would be different I believe.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm inclined to agree with a poster much earlier in the thread who said, at the very least, it's obvious these guys gave up on the season and their teammates. And that's fine if true. Selfishness isn't exclusive to these three guys. But, what's more troubling to me is, how easily they obviously gave up on themselves and their families too.

Yeah, I'm sure they were walking down the road at 2:00 in the morning, looked at each other and said "Fuck it. Fuck this season, the hell with our teammates. I give up-- Hey! Let's fuck with this guys house! Maybe we can find something to steal and sell."

Why doing something impusive and stupid has to equate to "giving up on the season and their teammates" is beyond me. The two are not linked at the hip.

 

[grizatwork]

There's a big difference between "trespassing" or "criminal mischief" and "burlary".

Those wanting to just summarily execute these three are assinine.

Executed? No. Held accountable? Yes. They are right where they should be. Suspended immediately. The timing will likely ensure that they will be suspended for the rest of the year.

Also this is different to me than the MSU freshman. These were upper classmen, not 18 year olds away from home for the first time.

I see now scenario whatsoever that would justify them being in that house and not being suspended.

 

[Bisonation]

this country is ridiculous. Isis beheads christians left & right and no one cares. yet 3 dumb jocks went into a unfinished house snooping & thankfully that owner wasn't alphagrizz.. & people freak out

case closed , move on.

signed. BisoNation. (and most rational human beings)

 

[grizindabox]

These guys made a stupid decision that upon reflection was a selfish act....but to make the assumption that they made the decision because they had given up on the season, the coaches, their teammates is beyond ignorant...I would be fairly certain that level of thought was never in the process....

 

[tnt]

These guys made a stupid decision that upon reflection was a selfish act....but to make the assumption that they made the decision because they had given up on the season, the coaches, their teammates is beyond ignorant...I would be fairly certain that level of thought was never in the process....

I doubt there was ANY level of thought. BTW they couldn't have been too drunk if they got up a ladder..... Although it would have been a heck of sight if they were.

 

[Spanky]

Hav....haven't you ever been in trouble or do something wrong you shouldn't have done? They shouldn't have done it, but maybe it isn't too serious. Let's wait and see exactly what happened before we pass judgement.

 

[go96griz]

There's a big difference between "trespassing" or "criminal mischief" and "burlary".

Those wanting to just summarily execute these three are assinine.

Executed? No. Held accountable? Yes. They are right where they should be. Suspended immediately. The timing will likely ensure that they will be suspended for the rest of the year.

Also this is different to me than the MSU freshman. These were upper classmen, not 18 year olds away from home for the first time.

I see now scenario whatsoever that would justify them being in that house and not being suspended.

I have to disagree with you here. In the MSU case the individuals were running from the law after egging houses (up to no good to begin with). Then to avoid the cops they ran through somebody's house and tried to hide there. Those are completely different actions and intentions than walking into a renovated building while waiting for a ride home. They certainly weren't running from the law after bad behavior. I don't see this as different because of age, rather it is completely different because of circumstances.

 

[grizindabox]

I am not even sure why the MSU incident is even being brought up....it has nothing to do with this incident...

 

[grizatwork]

There's a big difference between "trespassing" or "criminal mischief" and "burlary".

Those wanting to just summarily execute these three are assinine.

Executed? No. Held accountable? Yes. They are right where they should be. Suspended immediately. The timing will likely ensure that they will be suspended for the rest of the year.

Also this is different to me than the MSU freshman. These were upper classmen, not 18 year olds away from home for the first time.

I see now scenario whatsoever that would justify them being in that house and not being suspended.

I have to disagree with you here. In the MSU case the individuals were running from the law after egging houses (up to no good to begin with). Then to avoid the cops they ran through somebody's house and tried to hide there. Those are completely different actions and intentions than walking into a renovated building while waiting for a ride home. They certainly weren't running from the law after bad behavior. I don't see this as different because of age, rather it is completely different because of circumstances.

Fair enough. I guess that given the recent history and my own beliefs, I have higher expectations for our players.