3-3-5 Discussion

[mthoopsfan]

The only full game the D was extra poor was the Cat game. Most of the NDSU problem was 1 long run in first half and 3 in second half.

How about the four runs in overtime for Sac State to win the game?

How about it? None were long runs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How about the four runs in overtime for Sac State to win the game?

How about it? None were long runs.

only because they got to start at the 25. :lol:

 

[Grizfan-24]

How many conversations have we had about the 3-3-5?

The emphasis on scheme is an easy target. Low hanging fruit. Were there issues with the scheme at the end of the year? Absolutely. Were there other issues that created problems for our defense beyond the 3-3-5? More than I think many would care to admit. Many of those issues a 4-3, 4-6, 9-1 wouldn't have fixed.

The problems?

The answer to that isn't always that simple and can't be boiled down to we should have had a guy in the weakside A gap and another on the strong side playing inside shade of the OG. Rather like everything else on the football field it is generally a combination of play calling, scheme, personnel, and coaching when things go bad or go great. This message board or every other one on the planet isn't a great place to have X's and O's conversations, about coaching, or personnel usage because it is sort of anathema as to what makes most tick when it comes to message board. Not going to look at too many things objectively.

20 years of experience of me and a few others stupidly trying to have a conversation on this site or the fifteen others about actual scheme and coaching, the conversation is either a)ignored b) turns into a dick measuring contest and leads to people getting chased out the back of the Mo Club or c) rinse wash and repeat the same conversation and have a and b happen again.

 

[bgbigdog]

Strategy and tactics are important elements, no doubt. But at the foundations, doesn't it come down to getting off a block, taking a proper pursuit angle, and making a tackle on defense? None of that was without question every week of this season. Mix in weeks where a team comes out inexplicably flat, struggles on offense, and you've got a sixth place finish in the conference, having beaten one team with a winning record.

Even the least knowledgable among us could see that the word adjustment was not a functioning part of the vocabulary for the defensive staff or head coach. What we saw from week to week was another definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and not expecting the opponent to figure out where your weaknesses were. Besides the players, nothing changed over the last five seasons. Why would anyone expect that all that was needed was to out-tough em' week to week?

Honestly, no one cares what defense they line up in. The TCU coach notes in his comments that the 3-3-5 isn't built for every situation. Treating it as if it were, is coaching incompetence.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Strategy and tactics are important elements, no doubt. But at the foundations, doesn't it come down to getting off a block, taking a proper pursuit angle, and making a tackle on defense? None of that was without question every week of this season. Mix in weeks where a team comes out inexplicably flat, struggles on offense, and you've got a sixth place finish in the conference, having beaten one team with a winning record.

Even the least knowledgable among us could see that the word adjustment was not a functioning part of the vocabulary for the defensive staff or head coach. What we saw from week to week was another definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and not expecting the opponent to figure out where your weaknesses were. Besides the players, nothing changed over the last five seasons. Why would anyone expect that all that was needed was to out-tough em' week to week?

Honestly, no one cares what defense they line up in. The TCU coach notes in his comments that the 3-3-5 isn't built for every situation. Treating it as if it were, is coaching incompetence.

There adjustments every game.

 

[uptopgriz]

Strategy and tactics are important elements, no doubt. But at the foundations, doesn't it come down to getting off a block, taking a proper pursuit angle, and making a tackle on defense? None of that was without question every week of this season. Mix in weeks where a team comes out inexplicably flat, struggles on offense, and you've got a sixth place finish in the conference, having beaten one team with a winning record.

Even the least knowledgable among us could see that the word adjustment was not a functioning part of the vocabulary for the defensive staff or head coach. What we saw from week to week was another definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and not expecting the opponent to figure out where your weaknesses were. Besides the players, nothing changed over the last five seasons. Why would anyone expect that all that was needed was to out-tough em' week to week?

Honestly, no one cares what defense they line up in. The TCU coach notes in his comments that the 3-3-5 isn't built for every situation. Treating it as if it were, is coaching incompetence.

There adjustments every game.

Tell us what adjustments were made in the second half against MSU and NSDU.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Hilarious reading these comments supporting the 3-3-5 defense. Anyone with a clue about building a great college football defense, knows that stopping the run is mission #1. And they also know that teams employing the 3-3-5 defense do so ONLY because they are unable to recruit enough great D-linemen, and LBs to employ a defense which can stop the run. Depth at these two positions is essential, and none of these 3-3-5 teams have much quality depth at these two positions. TCU plays in a weak conference, which features strong offenses, much like the Big Sky. Lots of spreads, lots of passing. However, when TCU has to play a great running team, their 3-3-5 will be exposed just like ours was against MSU and NDSU.

To compete for a national championship, you have to emulate the other teams who are good enough to compete for national championships. And no team running a 3-3-5 will win a national championship, at any level. Watch and see for yourself. Take it to the bank! Why is it so difficult to understand that the top teams in both FBS and FCS do NOT run the 3-3-5 as their base defense?

 

[Copper Griz]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hilarious reading these comments supporting the 3-3-5 defense. Anyone with a clue about building a great college football defense, knows that stopping the run is mission #1. And they also know that teams employing the 3-3-5 defense do so ONLY because they are unable to recruit enough great D-linemen, and LBs to employ a defense which can stop the run. Depth at these two positions is essential, and none of these 3-3-5 teams have much quality depth at these two positions. TCU plays in a weak conference, which features strong offenses, much like the Big Sky. Lots of spreads, lots of passing. However, when TCU has to play a great running team, their 3-3-5 will be exposed just like ours was against MSU and NDSU.

To compete for a national championship, you have to emulate the other teams who are good enough to compete for national championships. And no team running a 3-3-5 will win a national championship, at any level. Watch and see for yourself. Take it to the bank! Why is it so difficult to understand that the top teams in both FBS and FCS do NOT run the 3-3-5 as their base defense?

No 3-3-5 team will ever make the FBS playoffs.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Hilarious reading these comments supporting the 3-3-5 defense. Anyone with a clue about building a great college football defense, knows that stopping the run is mission #1. And they also know that teams employing the 3-3-5 defense do so ONLY because they are unable to recruit enough great D-linemen, and LBs to employ a defense which can stop the run. Depth at these two positions is essential, and none of these 3-3-5 teams have much quality depth at these two positions. TCU plays in a weak conference, which features strong offenses, much like the Big Sky. Lots of spreads, lots of passing. However, when TCU has to play a great running team, their 3-3-5 will be exposed just like ours was against MSU and NDSU.

To compete for a national championship, you have to emulate the other teams who are good enough to compete for national championships. And no team running a 3-3-5 will win a national championship, at any level. Watch and see for yourself. Take it to the bank! Why is it so difficult to understand that the top teams in both FBS and FCS do NOT run the 3-3-5 as their base defense?

No 3-3-5 team will ever make the FBS playoffs.

Mr. Irrelevant posts more nonsensical tripe

 

[SoldierGriz]

How about it? None were long runs.

only because they got to start at the 25. :lol:

At some point, someone needs to notify his family...dude is losing it.

 

[grizghost]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

...the only reason they used 3-3-5 is because a certain Safety benefited from it , he's gone!...now the end!

 

[RoseyMustGo]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

...the only reason they used 3-3-5 is because a certain Safety benefited from it , he's gone!...now the end!

Folks, I think we have a winner!

 

[uptopgriz]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

Wait—hoops says they do.

 

[poorgriz]

only because they got to start at the 25. :lol:

At some point, someone needs to notify his family...dude is losing it.

What I can't figure out is how a guy can constantly get his balls kicked in on a message board, yet continue to come back for more. Sounds like a classic case of masochism.

 

[SoldierGriz]

At some point, someone needs to notify his family...dude is losing it.

What I can't figure out is how a guy can constantly get his balls kicked in on a message board, yet continue to come back for more. Sounds like a classic case of masochism.

I think its his viagra. Sad really.

 

[mthoopsfan]

At some point, someone needs to notify his family...dude is losing it.

What I can't figure out is how a guy can constantly get his balls kicked in on a message board, yet continue to come back for more. Sounds like a classic case of masochism.

Have never had balls kicked on egriz and never will. I enjoy taking on 10 or 15 dummies like yourself.

 

[kemajic]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

TCU uses it and is in the playoffs. Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma aren't.

 

[mthoopsfan]

There really is no reason to discuss the 3-3-5 as being the base defense the Griz should deploy in 2023 or any other year! Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma - NONE of them use it. NDSU - doesn’t use it. What more is there to discuss? Championship teams don’t use this base defense. The end.

TCU uses it and is in the playoffs. Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma aren't.

Just talked to a TCU receiver from last year, for a half hour. At Grimaldis in Scottsdale. He still lives near TCU. Has player ticket. Says he knows 80% of the team. Says they love the 3-3-5, and the coach.

 

[uptopgriz]

TCU uses it and is in the playoffs. Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma aren't.

Just talked to a TCU receiver from last year, for a half hour. At Grimaldis in Scottsdale. He still lives near TCU. Has player ticket. Says he knows 80% of the team. Says they love the 3-3-5, and the coach.

Talked to a custodian at the R Bar and 100% of the Cat players love 3-3-5 and the coach.