HikeGlacier
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One has consistently shown he can't.
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Is there pressure on this team to win another championship before we move up?
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HelenaHandBasket
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So has the other in one way or another.
5280Griz
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Pflu is not the guy you want to be using for this comparison. He was not good outside of the 2011 season with Hauck’s players.
AndrewGrizness
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5280Griz
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Don Read, Joe Glenn and Beau Baldwin are the 3 guys you could argue have been more successful coaches than Bobby Hauck due to winning a championship.
AndrewGrizness
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Took Glenn 6 years to win one and if Miller didn't get hurt the year before he would have had back to back NC
5280Griz
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It took Beau Baldwin only 3 years to win one but Joe Glenn and Beau Baldwin were also bad at South Dakota and Cal Poly later on in their careers.
Copper Griz
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Pflu was a good coach and assembled a solid staff. He would have done just fine at U of M and he absolutely could have coached the team to win a natty. Would he have been better than Bobby Hauck? Who knows. Stupid argument. Furthermore, who cares and leave Pflu out of the conversation. The man went through hell with the JJ situation and tried to stand by his players. Why even say one negative thing about him? I think Engstrom punished him enough. If you want to disparage someone, go after Engstrom. The man single handedly put Montana in a hole for 10 years.
5280Griz
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All I am saying is everyone was concerned about him not having experience beyond position coach before he got here, was here 2 years with mixed results, failed as Weber OC and then at the JuCo level.
Copper Griz
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Fair enough. I understand your perspective. I felt like he was close to turning the corner with the program and then he got the rug pulled out from under him. There probably would be numerous coaches who would have failed at Weber and I don’t know enough about the situation at the JuCo level. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
RayWill
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Which I see happening eventually. I just feel that with FCS becoming the joke of college football essentially division three that by time that happens MT won't have the money as the money in FCS is drying up and they will no longer be competitive as getting good talent in FCS is gonna get harder and harder.
He was technically “here” for much longer than that. He was on staff in the 80s and 90s for what, 9 seasons?
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mthoopsfan
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I'm not aware of anyone who was concerned about Pflu when he came back to UM. Not two people. Pflu had incredible Pac 12 expensive. He had coached at UM for 9 years under Read. He came to UM for a year as receiver coach before he became head coach. "Mixed results". He took the team to the Semi's in his 2d year. He was 7-4 and 11-3 (with a loss to Tennessee). In the first season, Selle was the QB until he got hurt in the 4th game.
Taking the team to the Semi's in year 2 is NOT mixed results.
His time at the JUCO level was with a JC that had basically lost all or most of its games for years. It was a hard-luck JC. He told me some players slept in their cars, as they had no money. He also said the coaches had to line the field and even do wash, on some occasions. I think he was serious. He coached a couple years there with another former PAC-12 assistant. He had a good career at NAU.
His career was all but ended when that dumbass Engstrom fired him and O'Day, probably the worst decision in the history of the Univ of MT. Engstrom totally screwed him. He should never have settled quickly with UM, just to get the rest of his year's salary; and should have sued UM. He would have won big money.
He didn't "fail" as OC at Weber. After doing well as an assistant at Weber, he wasn't taken with the Weber coach, Jody Sears, to SS to be the head coach (that doesn't sound like a failure). Pflu was surprised. He learned years later from Sears that the SS president wouldn't allow the old Weber coach to bring in.
Why do you just make up stiff about people, when you know nothing about the situation? You are a f-ing asshole. You are so wrong and stupid that you are dangerous. Stop it.
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5280Griz
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His offense at Weber averaged 15 points a game. If you don’t consider that failing I don’t know what to tell you maybe that is considered a good offense in the Ivy League but not the Big Sky.
mthoopsfan
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They had their top QB's get hurt. They played true frosh as their main qb for 9 of last 10 games. I think they may have switched a guy from another position too. I was talking to him fairly often during this time. They lost 29 turnovers. They gave up 35 sacks. If the O was so bad, how did the head coach get hired away by SS as the head coach? You are wrong. You are a total idiot. You don't understand football. You are a jerk.
Pflu was hired in February of 2013, so he didn't recruit any player because the signing period was offer when he arrived. Are you going to blame him for giving up 29 sacks?
This was their starter: "Weber State head coach Jody Sears has announced senior quarterback Jordan Adamczyk has left the team.
“Jordan has battled a series of knee injuries and he decided it was best for him to have surgery and finish his degree,” Sears said. “We thank Jordan for his contributions to Weber State and wish him the best in his future.”
Adamczyk, a native of Canyon Country, Calif., played in four of five games for the Wildcats this season, and started in two games."
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5280Griz
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You are wrong and clearly know nothing about this situation. You claim the top 3 or more qbs got hurt that is wrong. The starter at the beginning of the season quit the team in October and the qb2 played in all 12 games NOT injured.
2013 (Freshman)
Saw action in all 12 games for the Wildcats as a true freshman quarterback, after signing with Weber State in February 2013...Started in nine of the final 10 games of the season...Finished the season 172 of 302 passing for 1,650 yards and had eight passing touchdowns...Threw for touchdowns against McNeese State, Eastern Washington, Portland State, Southern Utah and Idaho State...Had a season best 331 yards passing with two touchdowns at Portland State on Nov. 2...Also threw for 309 yards against Montana State and 263 yards and three touchdowns against Southern Utah on Nov. 9...Had a season-long play of 48 yards for a touchdown to Cameron Livingston at McNeese State...Also had 113 rushing attempts for 142 yards and two touchdowns...Had one reception for nine yards against Southern Utah and had one punt for 32 yards in the season opening win against Stephen F. Austin.
mthoopsfan
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I said their top QB got hurt. This is what I said. See above: "They had their top QB's get hurt. They played true frosh as their main qb for 9 of last 10 games." The starter left the team due to injury and having season-ending surgery.
Also, I believe QB's got hurt before the season. Go back and do your research from spring ball into fall practice. You are clueless, and a jerk.
HelenaHandBasket
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5280 would do well to post a bit less. He all too often makes an argument from something he doesn't know.
5280Griz
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As far as going back to spring ball in 2013 it looks like they had their qb from 2012 graduate, the backup from 2012 was a junior in 2013 that quit the team in October. The guy who was supposed to be a backup in 2013 started in 10 games and appeared to be the best quarterback on the team regardless of injury.
“By giving up his dream of being a winning Division I quarterback, Adamczyk is doing good for himself and for the Wildcats’ hopes of returning to respectability in football. First, Adamczyk can start preparing for a healthier life after football, and treat himself appropriately to recover from his injury. Second, his leaving opens up the playing opportunities for his successor, Austin Chipoletti, as Weber attempts to move on from a very dark period in the history of its football program.
Quite frankly, Adamczyk’s days were numbered once the season began. Did the injury take a chunk of those days away? Absolutely. However, was the freshman Chipoletti bound to push Adamczyk out eventually? Absolutely.”
“For the last several weeks, the Weber State coaching staff has tried playing both quarterbacks, with underwhelming results. Again, it wasn’t that Adamczyk performed badly in his appearances; it’s just that Chipoletti appeared to be able to do more with the offense physically, and the Wildcats need more, not less”
Also you said top 3 or so and then edited it.
5280Griz
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Are you suggesting the defensive coordinator or a position coach is to blame for the OFFENSE giving up a pot load of sacks and turnovers and not the OFFENSIVE coordinator?
