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UM has top players transferring in, Cats have top players transferring out

Monymony said:
MSU TRANSFERS IN LAST 3 YEARS
Bolded players who were successful (in my eyes)
2023-4
In
Dylan Rollins (ol- BYU)
Alec Eckert (dt- Wash st)
Samora Ezekiel (ol- North Texas)
Rohan Jones (te- Maine)

Out
Christian Anaya (wr- Western Illinios)
Aiden Parks (safety- Mt Tech)
Garrett Coon (rb- SouthD)
Kade Cutler (db- Montana)
Sebastian Valdez (dt- Washington)
Kendric Bailey (safety-?)
Jace Fitzgerald (lb- Western)
Rush Reimer (ol- Cal)
Jacob Kettels (ol- Kennesaw St)
Omar Aigbedion (ol- Baylor)

2022-3
In
Ty McCullouch (wr- Colorado St)
Blake Stilllwell (db- Navarro Juco)
Garrett Walchli (wr- Utah St0
Cole Bullock (lb- Canyons Juco)
Lonyatta Alexander (wr- UW)
Jon Johnson (cb- El Camino Juco)
Brenden Hall (kicker/punter- SMU)
Julius Davis (rb- Wisconsin)

Out
Eric Zambrano (db- ?)
Aaron Gerle (dt- NAU)
Isaiah Ifanse (rb- Cal)
Trey Yates (dl- MT Tech)
Blake Glessner (kicker- UCLA)
Dylan Snyder (wr- MT Tech)
Jaharie Martin (fb- Maine)
Malik Mullins (wr- ?)
Sean Austin (qb- ?)
Noah Smith (wr- ?)

2021-2
In
Dru Polidore (db- Air Force)
Sean Chambers (qb- Wyoming)
Ravi Alston (wr- St Johns)
Omarrian Aigbedion (ol- Army)
Kaegun Williams (rb- San Diego St)
Malik Mullins (wr- Indepnedence CC)
Clevan Thomas (wr- Kentucky)
Rhedi Short (s- Arizona)

Out
Mathew McKay (qb- Elon)
Luke Pawlak (kicker- U Toledo)
Casey Bauman (qb- Augustans)
Cole Snyder (ol- Delaware)
Charles Brown (wr- Texas State)
Jaden Smith (wr- Tarleton)
TJ Session (ol- Cal)
Demarius Hosey (rb- Texas AM Commerce)
Jamahd Monroe (wr- ?)
Andrew Patterson (wr- ?)
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Wow this is quite the indictment on MSdUi’s lack of recruiting and retention and development over the past few years and confirms OP’s theory. How many have transferred in and said “nope” and transferred right back out? Like Omar? Obviously the portal has been a net negative for bubz.
And why don’t you bold any in the “out” columns? For instance, the one QB who transferred out successfully made an NFL camp.
It’s hilarious; you guys literally had an nfl qb on the roster but wasted his talents and drove him away. Please keep telling all you one friend that the portal doesn’t matter
 
Monymony said:
Here is Vim’s comment “
Didn't work out here in the Nickel or Safety positions. Kade had some injuries his first few years but was ready to contribute this fall and, in my opinion, unfairly never got an opportunity. Ortt/Polidore were our two best safeties to start the year and Dowler/Price locked down the nickel spot. Unquestionably those two spots had the best players starting. However, the depth was shaky. At nickel, we lost both Dowler and Price during the year and instead of moving in another strong safety type like Kade or Aidan Parks (who shined in spring ball in my opinion), we moved Miles Jackson from corner into nickel with mixed results. At safety, Blake Stillwell was the clear #3 per the coaching staff with Bailey/Pottenger jockying for the 4th spot. Next two up were probably Brock Steel and Kade.

Vigen lets his staff decide who is above the line and below the line in terms of "kids who are ready to see the field" each year and that's how the depth gets established. For whatever reason on the defensive side of the ball, I saw the "above the line" players get smaller and smaller the past two years specifically in the secondary and at LB. I completely trust the coaches to play who they feel they can trust. That should be exactly what you want coaches to do as fans. However, I kept hearing more and more this year from spring ball forward that Garza has "his guys" and if you can't break through into that group, it will be hard to see the field. Aidan Parks is a perfect example in my book and a hard-nosed kid like Kade is another. You have to at least give those kids opportunities to prove themselves when they are 3rd or 4th year guys and injuries start to hit. When Miles Jackson was called up at nickel for Sac State instead of Parks, I said to myself (man Aidan is never going to see the field on defense is he).

On the field would it have changed things this year? No not really. I'm a big believer in the best players need to play and if you don't beat out the competition, you are just going to have to improve or see the game from the sideline. I just don't feel like guys like Kade Cutler or Aidan Parks were really given a fair shake to at least get ONE opportunity to play varsity minutes. You need to give kids opportunities to show they can be trusted in a game setting when they've put the time in to your program AND the on-field result is lacking with the players playing in front of them. Our secondary and LB depth took a hit this year because we had a lot of sophomores and juniors sitting on the roster with no game experience. In some cases, freshman played in front of them. Daly & Co. need to figure out how to get our quality depth rotation back in order or else we're going to struggle again in 2024 as injuries always happen each year. That's all.”

Seems fair but I strongly believe that thing would’ve been different if the main issue was Garza. Maybe it was other coaches too?
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I'm sure if Kade had simply purchased the liquor and gotten drunk with Garza he would have seen the field plenty.
 
Monymony said:
Here is Vim’s comment “
Didn't work out here in the Nickel or Safety positions. Kade had some injuries his first few years but was ready to contribute this fall and, in my opinion, unfairly never got an opportunity. Ortt/Polidore were our two best safeties to start the year and Dowler/Price locked down the nickel spot. Unquestionably those two spots had the best players starting. However, the depth was shaky. At nickel, we lost both Dowler and Price during the year and instead of moving in another strong safety type like Kade or Aidan Parks (who shined in spring ball in my opinion), we moved Miles Jackson from corner into nickel with mixed results. At safety, Blake Stillwell was the clear #3 per the coaching staff with Bailey/Pottenger jockying for the 4th spot. Next two up were probably Brock Steel and Kade.

Vigen lets his staff decide who is above the line and below the line in terms of "kids who are ready to see the field" each year and that's how the depth gets established. For whatever reason on the defensive side of the ball, I saw the "above the line" players get smaller and smaller the past two years specifically in the secondary and at LB. I completely trust the coaches to play who they feel they can trust. That should be exactly what you want coaches to do as fans. However, I kept hearing more and more this year from spring ball forward that Garza has "his guys" and if you can't break through into that group, it will be hard to see the field. Aidan Parks is a perfect example in my book and a hard-nosed kid like Kade is another. You have to at least give those kids opportunities to prove themselves when they are 3rd or 4th year guys and injuries start to hit. When Miles Jackson was called up at nickel for Sac State instead of Parks, I said to myself (man Aidan is never going to see the field on defense is he).

On the field would it have changed things this year? No not really. I'm a big believer in the best players need to play and if you don't beat out the competition, you are just going to have to improve or see the game from the sideline. I just don't feel like guys like Kade Cutler or Aidan Parks were really given a fair shake to at least get ONE opportunity to play varsity minutes. You need to give kids opportunities to show they can be trusted in a game setting when they've put the time in to your program AND the on-field result is lacking with the players playing in front of them. Our secondary and LB depth took a hit this year because we had a lot of sophomores and juniors sitting on the roster with no game experience. In some cases, freshman played in front of them. Daly & Co. need to figure out how to get our quality depth rotation back in order or else we're going to struggle again in 2024 as injuries always happen each year. That's all.”

Seems fair but I strongly believe that thing would’ve been different if the main issue was Garza. Maybe it was other coaches too?
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What’s does first sentence of your last para mean?
 
garizzalies said:
Wow this is quite the indictment on MSdUi’s lack of recruiting and retention and development over the past few years and confirms OP’s theory. How many have transferred in and said “nope” and transferred right back out? Like Omar? Obviously the portal has been a net negative for bubz.
And why don’t you bold any in the “out” columns? For instance, the one QB who transferred out successfully made an NFL camp.
It’s hilarious; you guys literally had an nfl qb on the roster but wasted his talents and drove him away. Please keep telling all you one friend that the portal doesn’t matter
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That QB part is hilarious to me. Talk about a lack of recognition by the staff(s). Sheesh.
 
garizzalies said:
Wow this is quite the indictment on MSdUi’s lack of recruiting and retention and development over the past few years and confirms OP’s theory. How many have transferred in and said “nope” and transferred right back out? Like Omar? Obviously the portal has been a net negative for bubz.
And why don’t you bold any in the “out” columns? For instance, the one QB who transferred out successfully made an NFL camp.
It’s hilarious; you guys literally had an nfl qb on the roster but wasted his talents and drove him away. Please keep telling all you one friend that the portal doesn’t matter
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This is an unpopular take, but I'm being serious. I have long wondered if the WORST thing that could have happened to them as a program was Tommy taking over for McKay and leading them to the natty like he did. He is such a great person, such a hard worker, and such a damn good leader that everyone was so excited to anoint the Montana boy as the hero that MSU deserved that there was no going back. He was immediately the talk of ever Cat fan in the state.

They brought in Chambers, who I think was objectively better as a QB, but they couldn't bench Tommy or move him. So they had to tailor the entire offense around Tommy's strengths and limitations. Another NFL QB on the roster? Can't even let it be a competition. Tommy is the guy. Tommy goes out hurt and Chambers shines? Heck no to giving the ball to Chambers, everyone agrees that this is Tommy's team.

And what is Vigen going to do? He is too feckless to punish or first his own coordinators when they do some incredibly egregious illegal activities and put lives at risk in their community. He's not the man to stand up to his own fan base and say "hell no, I'm the coach, and I build the roster." It was the perfect storm of a wonderful kid who deserves all of the credit he gets as a person, and a coach who knows he should be running a different offense but cannot bring himself to.

Tommy Mellot as a leader is one of the best things that could have happened to MSU. Tommy Mellott as the unquestioned QB locked them in to a style of football that seems to leave it impossible for them to really throw the ball. And, sometimes, you get down by multiple touchdowns and you need to throw the ball.
 
garizzalies said:
Wow this is quite the indictment on MSdUi’s lack of recruiting and retention and development over the past few years and confirms OP’s theory. How many have transferred in and said “nope” and transferred right back out? Like Omar? Obviously the portal has been a net negative for bubz.
And why don’t you bold any in the “out” columns? For instance, the one QB who transferred out successfully made an NFL camp.
It’s hilarious; you guys literally had an nfl qb on the roster but wasted his talents and drove him away. Please keep telling all you one friend that the portal doesn’t matter
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He was 3rd on chart… he really wasn’t very good imo.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
This is an unpopular take, but I'm being serious. I have long wondered if the WORST thing that could have happened to them as a program was Tommy taking over for McKay and leading them to the natty like he did. He is such a great person, such a hard worker, and such a damn good leader that everyone was so excited to anoint the Montana boy as the hero that MSU deserved that there was no going back. He was immediately the talk of ever Cat fan in the state.

They brought in Chambers, who I think was objectively better as a QB, but they couldn't bench Tommy or move him. So they had to tailor the entire offense around Tommy's strengths and limitations. Another NFL QB on the roster? Can't even let it be a competition. Tommy is the guy. Tommy goes out hurt and Chambers shines? Heck no to giving the ball to Chambers, everyone agrees that this is Tommy's team.

And what is Vigen going to do? He is too feckless to punish or first his own coordinators when they do some incredibly egregious illegal activities and put lives at risk in their community. He's not the man to stand up to his own fan base and say "hell no, I'm the coach, and I build the roster." It was the perfect storm of a wonderful kid who deserves all of the credit he gets as a person, and a coach who knows he should be running a different offense but cannot bring himself to.

Tommy Mellot as a leader is one of the best things that could have happened to MSU. Tommy Mellott as the unquestioned QB locked them in to a style of football that seems to leave it impossible for them to really throw the ball. And, sometimes, you get down by multiple touchdowns and you need to throw the ball.
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Chambers wasn’t ever better… did you see what he did the brawl?????? He was great against bad teams but got smacked against good ones.
 
Monymony said:
Chambers wasn’t ever better… did you see what he did the brawl?????? He was great against bad teams but got smacked against good ones.
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Jesus dude, you'll just make anything up.

Chambers ran 2 plays in that game -- one redzone play where the RB wasn't set correctly, and the final play of the first half -- before there was 6:43 left in the game, and you were down 37-7.

So no, we didn't see what he did in the brawl because he didn't play in the brawl until the game was over.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Jesus dude, you'll just make anything up.

Chambers ran 2 plays in that game -- one redzone play where the RB wasn't set correctly, and the final play of the first half -- before there was 6:43 left in the game, and you were down 37-7.

So no, we didn't see what he did in the brawl because he didn't play in the brawl until the game was over.
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His play before the first half was awful dude… watch his clips with the Panthers
 
Monymony said:
If he was so good why did he transfer to a d2 school. He did well there but I don’t expect too much success in the NFL, he is 6’7” though
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Because he couldn't get a fair look at MSU, much like Cutler? I don't know. I wasn't following his reasoning for leaving. But obviously you would agree that NFL talent evaluators are far better evaluators of QB talent than either you or I are? So it would seem he does have some good skills to his game.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Because he couldn't get a fair look at MSU, much like Cutler? I don't know. I wasn't following his reasoning for leaving. But obviously you would agree that NFL talent evaluators are far better evaluators of QB talent than either you or I are? So it would seem he does have some good skills to his game.
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Ok but with that being said, Chambers got an NFL opportunity (not at all an NFL qb). The bobcats weren’t built around passing and he is a passing qb. So I am guessing he wanted to go to a team where he fit better. But who knows maybe he will end up being phenomenal
 
Monymony said:
Ok but with that being said, Chambers got an NFL opportunity (not at all an NFL qb). The bobcats weren’t built around passing and he is a passing qb. So I am guessing he wanted to go to a team where he fit better. But who knows maybe he will end up being phenomenal
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Right, but you are not following the conversation. I get that you are responding to a lot of people, but that was kind of part of my point. They built an entire offense to avoid the pass for the last few years because Tommy is untouchable. Not because of his abilities as a pure QB, but for his leadership and the way he is adored among the fanbase and teammates.
 
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