CFallsGriz said:Zen, my ass.
...won't derail a good thread...
...i will let your ignorance slide...
...just have to stalk me later..dude...
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CFallsGriz said:Zen, my ass.
zengriz said:CFallsGriz said:Zen, my ass.
...won't derail a good thread...
...i will let your ignorance slide...
...just have to stalk me later..dude...
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tourist said:Nice try Zen. Chill out people. Let the justice system handle it. This selective outrage is idiotic. Did anyone think somebody would post something supporting this guy? Fact is he is going away forever, or what he will think is forever. He might get a bunkie called 'Bull' who was "looking for a new punk." In no time his @$$hole will look like a rotten tangerine. Perp becomes victim. Now THAT'S justice! :shock:
PlayerRep said:argh! said:GGNez said:Oh boy....following this thread closely. Just published a book about my daughter being sexually abused by a trusted person and all of the dynamics involved. I recently spoke at a sexual abuse conference with Matt Sandusky (adopted son and victim of Jerry). Matt and I are collaborating efforts to educate about this issue. Zen is on to something, I think. It’s possible that it’s much more repugnant and offensive to imagine boys being raped by a man vs girls. Idk. But, I think Penn State having been a football powerhouse is part of the drastic downfall. Same mindset that caused our local community to virtually ignore criminal behavior of Griz players under Stitt but spotlight them under Hauck while we were a dominant force. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
you really think the community ignored criminal behavior when stitt was hc? sorry but that is bs. griz players were still held to a higher standard.
Do you really think that the Missoulian and others treated the issues under Hauck the way they did under Hauck? How about egriz? Can you find any posts or threads trashing Stitt for the bad behavior of his players?
tourist said:Very articulate and good post, GGNez. My prediction is predicated on his conviction. The physical result of repeated prison rape I have witnessed in my work. I haven't read all the posts or kept current on accusations, a long way from conviction. Today's press loves the seriousness of the accusation. Guilt is inferred from that alone. I, like many others worldwide, was also a victim in my childhood.
TxGriz said:I recall hearing on a national radio broadcast about the situation at Penn State, that it was common knowledge about Sandusky. I heard there was an ice cream shop on campus that had a special dessert with an inverted cone and two scoops of ice cream they called "The Sandusky". I believe the history of this issue also includes a period of time where an ambitious young prosecutor in the DA's office was going to prosecute the case and suddenly disappeared and his body has never been found. I felt badly for Paterno probably being a cog in the wheel of this system, where everyone up and down the line knew what was going on, but there must have been pressure to keep the lid on it. The doc at MSU was involved with the Olympics, wasn't he, where the Sandusky case involved the NCAA. If the NCAA is connected to the situation at MSU they will be around with their sanctions eventually.
IVLIANVS said:We don't hear outrage about the gymnastics program, for the same reason you don't hear about any success of any gymnastics program.
It just doesn't have the audience that football, baseball, or basketball does.
GGNez said:tourist said:Nice try Zen. Chill out people. Let the justice system handle it. This selective outrage is idiotic. Did anyone think somebody would post something supporting this guy? Fact is he is going away forever, or what he will think is forever. He might get a bunkie called 'Bull' who was "looking for a new punk." In no time his @$$hole will look like a rotten tangerine. Perp becomes victim. Now THAT'S justice! :shock:
This widely held perspective is understandable and socially acceptable. It is ok (expected, even) to respond to information about child sexual abuse with violent words toward the abuser: "kill them all"; "one cure for pedophiles: a bullet", etc. Because it's so expected and accepted to openly suggest that sexual abusers of children are the most vile, repulsive people on the planet and deserve to be raped, killed, tortured, etc, the problem is actually exacerbated and it does nothing for prevention. For example (using real situation), suppose you follow a Facebook page called "Death to Child Molesters," you openly refer to them as "cho-mos" and talk about how horrific they are, you are a parent yourself. Then...you find out that your father, who you love and admire (and who you've trusted with your own children on many occasions) has confessed to molesting his step-daughter. Knowing how the world feels about child molesters, remembering what you have said about them in the past....now what? You don't want your dad to go to prison and get raped. You don't want him dead.
What if it is your adult son who molested a child? Your spouse?
Most of them are loved and trusted by many people. The majority of them are married with children of their own. Many have kids that they have not assaulted.
Assuming we could spot them and wishing there was a simple solution makes us feel better, but really don't solve the problem.
jcu27 said:GGNez said:tourist said:Nice try Zen. Chill out people. Let the justice system handle it. This selective outrage is idiotic. Did anyone think somebody would post something supporting this guy? Fact is he is going away forever, or what he will think is forever. He might get a bunkie called 'Bull' who was "looking for a new punk." In no time his @$$hole will look like a rotten tangerine. Perp becomes victim. Now THAT'S justice! :shock:
This widely held perspective is understandable and socially acceptable. It is ok (expected, even) to respond to information about child sexual abuse with violent words toward the abuser: "kill them all"; "one cure for pedophiles: a bullet", etc. Because it's so expected and accepted to openly suggest that sexual abusers of children are the most vile, repulsive people on the planet and deserve to be raped, killed, tortured, etc, the problem is actually exacerbated and it does nothing for prevention. For example (using real situation), suppose you follow a Facebook page called "Death to Child Molesters," you openly refer to them as "cho-mos" and talk about how horrific they are, you are a parent yourself. Then...you find out that your father, who you love and admire (and who you've trusted with your own children on many occasions) has confessed to molesting his step-daughter. Knowing how the world feels about child molesters, remembering what you have said about them in the past....now what? You don't want your dad to go to prison and get raped. You don't want him dead.
What if it is your adult son who molested a child? Your spouse?
Most of them are loved and trusted by many people. The majority of them are married with children of their own. Many have kids that they have not assaulted.
Assuming we could spot them and wishing there was a simple solution makes us feel better, but really don't solve the problem.
Doesn't matter who it is. Anyone that touches a kid is a sick f***. If it was my father, f*** yeah I'd want him to go to jail and get raped. That'd be what he deserved. Why the f*** would you not? It doesn't matter who it is... I'd never support a chomo whether it was child, spouse, parent. You're just trash after that point. And out to the bin they go. The fact you're defending them is f***[*] weird.