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Where's the Outrage?
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argh! said:
Yes, Hauck was around longer, but so what. If Stitt had 9 player criminal issues in 3 years, not sure that Hauck had 21 player issues in his 7 years. Yes, home invasion. That was bad. Yes, murder, but acted in self-defense and was acquitted. Don't know how that can be held against a coach. What was the kidnapping?
PlayerRep said:
i thought kidnapping was part of the home invasion. are you saying the charges against hauck's players weren't more serious than stitt's? they were. as for the rest of what you wrote, it was just gibberish. i know you can't concede you posted something that wasn't accurate, so don't worry, i don't need to read and respond to any more of your mindless, poor-hauck blubberings, but can if you want to keep going.
Got it, Man. I stand by my assertion.
The Penn St scandal involved a former coach who had sexually assaulted a dozen or so boys, some in the athletic facilities, but mostly not there, over a period of less than a couple of decades. Not one of them was a Penn St student or athlete, to my knowledge. The criminal case involved 10 victims, and ultimately 48 counts. This occurred over a 15 year period. There are indications that there were probably at least a couple dozen victims and some of it occurred earlier. As time goes on, and people are making claims and seeking money, some of the evidence is not as reliable, in my view.
Even the Freech report only impacted a few Penn St people, mostly in one situation and somewhat tenuously, as it depended solely on what one guy claimed to have told the coach (and the coach denied being told much).
The State AG got involved in a big way, several Penn St people including the coach and the president were fired, some of them were charged and convicted of misdemeanors of failure to report. The NCAA got involved in a big way. There was huge press, and outrage.
So, how much of the outrage was due to the perpetrator being a former football coach and a high profile coach, Paterno, being connected? That was discussed in the thread.
The Mich. St. gymnastics scandal has way more known victims, 125 or so have provided witness statements at the sentencing hearing. This abuse occurred over many decades. There are more victims than the 125 who provided witness statements. Mich. St. employed the perpetrator the whole time. One victim said she was abused over 200 times. Some the abuse started when the girls were only age 6 or so. The abuse occurred in almost plain sight. A newspaper article has found at least 14 Mich. St. officials, including the president, who were notified to varying extent over 2 decades. Many USA gymnastic people warned. Some legal authorities. Even after the latest round of complaints began to be investigated, this doctor was allowed to keep working for Mich. St. and allowed to continue practicing.
So, the Nassar matter had way more victims, some being assaulted 200 times, over a way longer period, with multiple athletes and ncaa athletes involved, and multiple Mich St students being involved, with 14 Mich. St. people being warned over 2 decades, and dozens of other gymnastic officials being warned or involved.
Way more of all this than the Penn St scandal. As I said, the Mich. St/gymnastics scandal is much bigger and much worse. Sure, both horrible.
I just don't buy the argument that if there's one victim, that's as bad as 100's of victims. Is one murder the same as 100's of murders? Is one win, the same as scores of wins. If there's 5 university officials involved, is that the same as 14 (plus dozens of gymnastics officials)?
In your business is one defaulted mortgage the same as 10 defaulted mortgages?
The Penn St scandal involved a former coach who had sexually assaulted a dozen or so boys, some in the athletic facilities, but mostly not there, over a period of less than a couple of decades. Not one of them was a Penn St student or athlete, to my knowledge. The criminal case involved 10 victims, and ultimately 48 counts. This occurred over a 15 year period. There are indications that there were probably at least a couple dozen victims and some of it occurred earlier. As time goes on, and people are making claims and seeking money, some of the evidence is not as reliable, in my view.
Even the Freech report only impacted a few Penn St people, mostly in one situation and somewhat tenuously, as it depended solely on what one guy claimed to have told the coach (and the coach denied being told much).
The State AG got involved in a big way, several Penn St people including the coach and the president were fired, some of them were charged and convicted of misdemeanors of failure to report. The NCAA got involved in a big way. There was huge press, and outrage.
So, how much of the outrage was due to the perpetrator being a former football coach and a high profile coach, Paterno, being connected? That was discussed in the thread.
The Mich. St. gymnastics scandal has way more known victims, 125 or so have provided witness statements at the sentencing hearing. This abuse occurred over many decades. There are more victims than the 125 who provided witness statements. Mich. St. employed the perpetrator the whole time. One victim said she was abused over 200 times. Some the abuse started when the girls were only age 6 or so. The abuse occurred in almost plain sight. A newspaper article has found at least 14 Mich. St. officials, including the president, who were notified to varying extent over 2 decades. Many USA gymnastic people warned. Some legal authorities. Even after the latest round of complaints began to be investigated, this doctor was allowed to keep working for Mich. St. and allowed to continue practicing.
So, the Nassar matter had way more victims, some being assaulted 200 times, over a way longer period, with multiple athletes and ncaa athletes involved, and multiple Mich St students being involved, with 14 Mich. St. people being warned over 2 decades, and dozens of other gymnastic officials being warned or involved.
Way more of all this than the Penn St scandal. As I said, the Mich. St/gymnastics scandal is much bigger and much worse. Sure, both horrible.
I just don't buy the argument that if there's one victim, that's as bad as 100's of victims. Is one murder the same as 100's of murders? Is one win, the same as scores of wins. If there's 5 university officials involved, is that the same as 14 (plus dozens of gymnastics officials)?
In your business is one defaulted mortgage the same as 10 defaulted mortgages?
^^And still not one thing related to Montana Grizzlies Football and the FCS - the Forum being posted in...
Couldn't resist.
Couldn't resist.
SoldierGriz said:
This topic and thread completely relates to UM football, as it seems to help explain some of the outrage against UM football and certain players during the sexual assault "scandal". Even though at the end of the day, there was only 1 player who plead guilty or was convicted, and not one other player who fought the UM proceedings was kicked out of school. Yet, 100's of Missoulian and other articles. National press. Krakeuer book. Would there have been such a book if football players not been "involved"? Comparisons to Penn St. What was the comparison? Anything other than football? Pat Williams ranting and raving, and saying untrue things in the press. Engstrom firing the football coach and athletic director. Why or why?
Sorry, couldn't resist trying to knock some sense into some of you.
The Mich. St. scandal now has 144 victims scheduled to present at the sentencing hearing. A woman who was 13 when Nasser was finally stopped, said she is probably his last victim. Said there was not a point in her remembrance when she didn't know him.
zengriz said:
Oh, this was a "fun college chat?"
Lmao
And the comment was just piggy-backing on the getting laid comment you made, tough guy.
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argh! said:
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Another great article posted:
https://theathletic.com/219461/2018/01/23/effects-of-larry-nassars-abuse-extend-beyond-survivors/
https://theathletic.com/219461/2018/01/23/effects-of-larry-nassars-abuse-extend-beyond-survivors/
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
Those articles really are good. Some quotes from this one.
" There are now at least 186 women who have come forward about Nassar’s widespread sexual abuse,"
" Whether it further fueled his depravity, or whether he felt so damn brazen that the paid it no mind, Nassar often molested young women with their parents present in the room."
"Livingston explained to the court, in a gripping statement, about how her terminally ill father had been in the room when Nassar assaulted her. He passed away in January 2017, never knowing what had happened. Livingston never could bring herself to tell him the truth."
“You lay awake thinking about all the things you missed, all the red flags you didn't see,” Lemke said."
"Whitney Mergens, who spoke on Monday, said the hardest day of her life was on Friday, sitting though the dozens of victim impact statements. It was the first time in all of her 21 years she witnessed her father cry. He held her tight as they walked out the doorway and apologized that he failed to protect her."
Maybe the now former Mich. St. president, who resigned yesterday, and who used to be a Provost, will be looking for a lower profile job and want to come to UM as its Provost. UM is looking for a topnotch Provost. Maybe not. AZGriz would be complaining that she has been unsuccessful everywhere she's been and dragging out old stats, despite being the president of Mich. St. for a dozen or so years.
Heads finally starting to roll.
I have now seen quite a few articles in which people have said or speculated that this scandal didn't get the same attention as Penn St., because it didn't involve football.
The NCAA has finally sent a minor letter of inquiry. Some people think it's just belated CYA. Involved NCAA athletes in gymnastics, softball, cross country, crew. Nassar was team physician to 2 women's varsity teams at Mich. St. The NCAA is a joke. Incompetent and clueless. Corrupt.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/college/2018/01/25/The-NCAA-s-inquiry-to-Michigan-State-amid-the-Larry-Nassar-scandal-is-reminding-some-of-Penn-State/stories/201801240246
Heads finally starting to roll.
I have now seen quite a few articles in which people have said or speculated that this scandal didn't get the same attention as Penn St., because it didn't involve football.
The NCAA has finally sent a minor letter of inquiry. Some people think it's just belated CYA. Involved NCAA athletes in gymnastics, softball, cross country, crew. Nassar was team physician to 2 women's varsity teams at Mich. St. The NCAA is a joke. Incompetent and clueless. Corrupt.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/college/2018/01/25/The-NCAA-s-inquiry-to-Michigan-State-amid-the-Larry-Nassar-scandal-is-reminding-some-of-Penn-State/stories/201801240246
