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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If you argue with Urinal she will drag you down and beat you with ignorance and PC bullshit.

Treat her posts like a woman in the workplace and only pay attention to .79 cents on the dollar.

#shesoverpaid

 

[Eriul]

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No one is arguing if he is the best prospect... We are arguing is he the best QB. And that's the point. It is way too soon to tell.

As far as gus obviously he wasn't mentioned on the walter payton list as he was injured the 3rd game... And if you wanna talk about bad defenses just look at Wentz games before his injury. Only decent QBrating games came against...you guess right bad defenses.

Also you might wanna check your stats again before you go spew them. I just ran through and there is no way in HELL he was projected for the stats you posted... 242 ypg, 2.6td/g, 37rpg, .7rTDpg. Unless your projected season is 15 games...If that's the case... Gus was on track for 6000 yards, 30 tds, 300 ryards, and 8 RTDs. And he was a first year QB that our coach wants to replace :roll:

Yes that was for 15 games. Big difference is Wentz would have played in 15. No f***[*] clue where you get 8 rushing TD's from. What did Gustafson have, one all year?

You left out Gustafson's picks and completion percentage. Know why your coach wants him replaced? Turnover machine who has a low completion percentage.

His comp percentage in first few games is comparable to wentz. Also sure he turned it over but he was averaging 140 more ypg. And yes he got a rush td in the first few games. I just did straight math. The point was your projection stats onl sound decent because you're projecting 15 games. His game average before his injury was slightly above par at best. 242 yards a game isn't really Walter Payton like numbers.

 

[Eriul]

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No one is arguing if he is the best prospect... We are arguing is he the best QB. And that's the point. It is way too soon to tell.

As far as gus obviously he wasn't mentioned on the walter payton list as he was injured the 3rd game... And if you wanna talk about bad defenses just look at Wentz games before his injury. Only decent QBrating games came against...you guess right bad defenses.

Also you might wanna check your stats again before you go spew them. I just ran through and there is no way in HELL he was projected for the stats you posted... 242 ypg, 2.6td/g, 37rpg, .7rTDpg. Unless your projected season is 15 games...If that's the case... Gus was on track for 6000 yards, 30 tds, 300 ryards, and 8 RTDs. And he was a first year QB that our coach wants to replace :roll:

Wrong, we are arguing if he's the most talented across the board QB to ever come out of college which he is.

You, being an idiot has to act like everyone is saying he will be the best NFL QB ever and that isn't what sane people are talking about.

Try reading the thread again genius.

 

[ordigger]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No its McNair, and its not even close. Winning championships is done by a team, not a single player. McNair was 3rd in the Heisman as a FCS player his senior year. Unfortunately he didn't have a great team surrounding him. McNair accomplished his stats without the supporting cast.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

 

[Eriul]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

 

[grizpsych]

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya as far as best FCS QBs ever I woul dhave to put Edwards at the top...only player to win 2 Walter Paytons'....I dont know if I'd even put Wentz above Super Dave as far as purely putting the team on your shoulders and winning at FCS or how much he impacted the game at the FCS level...

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

 

[AZGrizFan]

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

Key word there.

I really hope I'm wrong, but his chances of failing (or vastly underperforming his draft position) are far greater than the alternative.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

Key word there.

I really hope I'm wrong, but his chances of failing (or vastly underperforming his draft position) are far greater than the alternative.

I agree, but I actually think Wentz will be a good NFL qb if he gets to sit for 2 years. I think his chnaces of being a good nfl qb are better than being a failure....as long as he doesnt go to a Cleveland or somewhere like that who will ruin him by thrusting him into playing before hes ready....

let him get used to NFL speed in practice for 2 years.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

He's easily the best FCS QB ever that's not even a discussion worth having.

 

[Eriul]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

He's easily the best FCS QB ever that's not even a discussion worth having.

Again you've already proven your opinions aren't even worth reading. If I wasn't so bored this week I wouldn't bother responding.

 

[Eriul]

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya as far as best FCS QBs ever I woul dhave to put Edwards at the top...only player to win 2 Walter Paytons'....I dont know if I'd even put Wentz above Super Dave as far as purely putting the team on your shoulders and winning at FCS or how much he impacted the game at the FCS level...

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

This

It's kinda simple. Wentz has championships to his name. Cool. Ndsu woulda won those without him so idk if those are really that defining as his skill level. If you wanna talk about his footwork, intelligence, etc. sure. But leave the champs out of it. That's like saying terry Bradshaw is as good as Brady or Montana because he has the same amount of champs. It's just simply not true.

 

[garizzalies]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

He's easily the best FCS QB ever that's not even a discussion worth having.

I agree. He's projected to be the first qb drafted. How is there even a counter argument to that? Was any other fcs qb taken first? Like McNair? Do these posters think they're smarter than the draft gurus?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya as far as best FCS QBs ever I woul dhave to put Edwards at the top...only player to win 2 Walter Paytons'....I dont know if I'd even put Wentz above Super Dave as far as purely putting the team on your shoulders and winning at FCS or how much he impacted the game at the FCS level...

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

This

It's kinda simple. Wentz has championships to his name. Cool. Ndsu woulda won those without him so idk if those are really that defining as his skill level. If you wanna talk about his footwork, intelligence, etc. sure. But leave the champs out of it. That's like saying terry Bradshaw is as good as Brady or Montana because he has the same amount of champs. It's just simply not true.

Laugh my fucking ass off. The guy was the MVP of the Championship game in back to back years and led a last minute game winning drive in the 2014 game. Accounted for 600 yards of offense and 5 TD's in those games. Go back and watch last year's game. I don't think there was a scoring drive where Wentz didn't complete a huge third down pass or create with his legs. He was a gigantic part of why they won. If he wasn't , the rest of the FCS is fucked next year as NDSU has 80% of last year team's starters returning.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yeah you just don't get to tell me what I am talking about.......but thanks for playing Urinal!

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

He's easily the best FCS QB ever that's not even a discussion worth having.

Again you've already proven your opinions aren't even worth reading. If I wasn't so bored this week I wouldn't bother responding.

LOL now you know how we feel.

Statards are rarely worth dealing with but hey its a slow week.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya as far as best FCS QBs ever I woul dhave to put Edwards at the top...only player to win 2 Walter Paytons'....I dont know if I'd even put Wentz above Super Dave as far as purely putting the team on your shoulders and winning at FCS or how much he impacted the game at the FCS level...

What Wentz had been apart of were some of the greatest overall TEAMS the FCS has seen. He is also in my opinion the best NFL prospect at QB thats ever came out of FCS. But as far as being the best QB ever...ehhh I'd have to disagree.

This

It's kinda simple. Wentz has championships to his name. Cool. Ndsu woulda won those without him so idk if those are really that defining as his skill level. If you wanna talk about his footwork, intelligence, etc. sure. But leave the champs out of it. That's like saying terry Bradshaw is as good as Brady or Montana because he has the same amount of champs. It's just simply not true.

Laugh my f***[*] ass off. The guy was the MVP of the Championship game in back to back years and led a last minute game winning drive in the 2014 game. Accounted for 600 yards of offense and 5 TD's in those games. Go back and watch last year's game. I don't think there was a scoring drive where Wentz didn't complete a huge third down pass or create with his legs. He was a gigantic part of why they won. If he wasn't , the rest of the FCS is f***[*] next year as NDSU has 80% of last year team's starters returning.

I told you, dealing with Urinal will give you whiplash from shaking your head.

 

[Glendivegriz]

But could Wentz beat "85" Ditka?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

But could Wentz beat "85" Ditka?

No way.......not even a mini Ditka

 

[jodcon]

Yah I don't care what your claim is. You don't know anything about football or just trying to troll poorly so I don't care. If you read the discussion. Was about the claim of him being the best fcs qb ever and I vehemently disagree.

He's easily the best FCS QB ever that's not even a discussion worth having.

Again you've already proven your opinions aren't even worth reading. If I wasn't so bored this week I wouldn't bother responding.

LOL now you know how we feel.

Statards are rarely worth dealing with but hey its a slow week.

I think you 2 could hook up, you'd be a cute couple with the cops showing up every night to decide which one gets hauled in, I can spot chemistry a mile away.

If Eriul liked guys that is.